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Re: Dem Gov. Vetoes Newborn Care Bill
« Reply #50 on: May 15, 2019, 04:21:15 PM »
Yes, that is extremism.    But so are defiant laws that take away any practical opportunity for a woman to decide   

In societies where abortion is banned, women decide by exercising control over their bodies and not inviting a man to ejaculate inside of them.  It is called "the right to choose".


Extremism begets extremism.    Both sides are acting like fascists, seeking the government to enforce their moral priorities.   

Au contraire, mon frere.  My side seeks for the people to come together and decide on what laws they want.  Your side seeks to deny my side that fundamental Constitutional right.  (See: Amendment X)

I am perfectly willing for the people of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania to come together and decide through their representatives how they want their abortion laws shaped.  Yet you demand the courts instill your will on the people of the State of Georgia, thus denying our people the right to choose their own laws per the Constitution of the United States.
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Re: Dem Gov. Vetoes Newborn Care Bill
« Reply #51 on: May 15, 2019, 04:28:22 PM »
Here's the rub, though. Once we cross that line of declaring some humans not human, all we have to do is just change the definition. Just tweak that a little to take in the neighbor, the church lady, that annoying telemarketer. With a dash of the proverbial pen, it's open season on everyone! We're seeing this when people praying across the street from one of these industrial murder sites get physically attacked.

All this mish mash about Rights, yet you never argue for the rights of that little human who can't argue for their own--yet the Constitution and Bill of Rights were crafted with the idea in mind that the rights of those who had little voice would be protected from the shouts of the mob.

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How about a compromise? How about any woman can have an abortion for any reason, only she gets sterilized, permanently, along with it. The only exception would be for abortions which were medically necessary to save the life of the mother (kinda like the Alabama law). Then, instead of being mass murderers, those who rely on abortion to 'structure their lives' would only have to do it once, kinda like a vaccine, and they wouldn't have to worry about getting 'preggers' again, missing punctuation marks, or the inconvenience of having a child (or another procedure). Think of the savings for the taxpayers. Even the reduction in medical 'waste' that would have to be disposed. Think of the benefit to society.

That is a decision for the people of Alabama to collectively make through their legislative representatives.  Or at least that is what the Constitution says.  But Jazzhead doesn't believe in the Constitution.  He prefers tyranny.  He believes that "abortion must remain legal" by any means necessary.
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Re: Dem Gov. Vetoes Newborn Care Bill
« Reply #52 on: May 15, 2019, 05:26:40 PM »
That is a decision for the people of Alabama to collectively make through their legislative representatives.  Or at least that is what the Constitution says.  But Jazzhead doesn't believe in the Constitution.  He prefers tyranny.  He believes that "abortion must remain legal" by any means necessary.

Oh cut the crap.   The Tenth Amendment doesn't give the states the freedom to deny individual rights guaranteed under the Constitution.   Your gun right under the Constitution is worthless if the legislature of your state decides to take it away.    Similarly,  Alabama cannot collectively deny a woman's right to self-determination.   

The whole point of protecting individual rights under the Constitution is to prevent the tyranny of the majority.   You're the one who prefers tyranny - according to your warped view of the Constitution,  a majority of Alabamans can "come together" to decide to take away a disfavored individual's right to free speech, or free assembly, or the right to own a gun for personal protection, or (especially and in the here and now) a woman's right to privacy and sovereignty over her own body. 

Bullshit!   
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Re: Dem Gov. Vetoes Newborn Care Bill
« Reply #53 on: May 15, 2019, 05:28:55 PM »

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That is a decision for the people of Alabama to collectively make through their legislative representatives.  Or at least that is what the Constitution says.  But Jazzhead doesn't believe in the Constitution.  He prefers tyranny.  He believes that "abortion must remain legal" by any means necessary.

Oh cut the crap.   The Tenth Amendment doesn't give the states the freedom to deny individual rights guaranteed under the Constitution.   Your gun right under the Constitution is worthless if the legislature of your state decides to take it away.    Similarly,  Alabama cannot collectively deny a woman's right to choose an abortion.   

The whole point of protecting individual rights under the Constitution is to prevent the tyranny of the majority.   You're the one who prefers tyranny - according to your warped view of the Constitution,  a majority of Alabamans can "come together" to decide to take away a disfavored individual's right to free speech, or free assembly, or the right to own a gun for personal protection, or (especially and in the here and now) a woman's right to privacy and sovereignty over her own body. 

Bullshit!   
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Re: Dem Gov. Vetoes Newborn Care Bill
« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2019, 06:21:44 PM »
Oh cut the crap.   The Tenth Amendment doesn't give the states the freedom to deny individual rights guaranteed under the Constitution.   Your gun right under the Constitution is worthless if the legislature of your state decides to take it away.    Similarly,  Alabama cannot collectively deny a woman's right to choose an abortion.   

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Despite all your foot stomping and childish protestation there is no "constitutional right to abortion".  It's not anywhere in the Constitution.

And the partner Amendment to the 10th...the 9th Amendment actually makes it more clear how restricted the reach of the Federal government really is.

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The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

If a state like Alabama or Georgia wants to restrict or outright ban abortion within their borders with the exception of a set of very narrow and strict exceptions...that is their right. 

The only "bullshit" around here is the pro infanticide you're shoveling.

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Re: Dem Gov. Vetoes Newborn Care Bill
« Reply #55 on: May 15, 2019, 07:00:12 PM »
Oh cut the crap.   The Tenth Amendment doesn't give the states the freedom to deny individual rights guaranteed under the Constitution.

Abortion isn't an individual right guaranteed under the Constitution.  If it were, you would have produced it already.   Yet after three years of asking for it, you come up empty again and again and again.  Yet here you are once again stating a claim that you know to be false.


Your gun right under the Constitution is worthless if the legislature of your state decides to take it away.

The primary difference here is that the Constitution specifically mentions the right to keep and bear arms.  Not so when it comes to the right to kill the unborn.


Similarly,  Alabama cannot collectively deny a woman's right to self-determination.

When my right to self-determination infringes on your right to live, you bet your sweet liberal ass that Alabama has the right to deny my right to kill you.   (See:  Amendment X)


The whole point of protecting individual rights under the Constitution is to prevent the tyranny of the majority.

Absolutely.  It has been my point from Day One.  "Within the confines of the Constitution" - these have been my exact words.  It means that Alabama cannot legalize slavery because it violates the Constitution, specifically Amendment XIII.  It means that Alabama cannot force people to quarter national guard troops without compensation because it violates the Constitution, specifically Amendment III.  It means that Alabama cannot deny anyone in a civil trial the right to trial by jury, specifically Amendment VII.  And as soon as you cite which Amendment protects a woman's right to an abortion, I will recognize that said right cannot be denied.  But until then, I will revert to Amendment X, which basically covers everything that is not listed since it directly cites the Constitution as the basis of law.


You're the one who prefers tyranny - according to your warped view of the Constitution,  a majority of Alabamans can "come together" to decide to take away a disfavored individual's right to free speech, or free assembly, or the right to own a gun for personal protection, or (especially and in the here and now) a woman's right to privacy and sovereignty over her own body. 

The States are not restricted from regulating free speech and free assembly - at least that's what the Constitution says.  As for gun rights, that is specifically stated in Amendment II.  But when it comes to abortion rights, there is no such right listed, nor can the basis for said right be drawn from any wording within the Constitution.  But then you knew that already.  Yet here you are again stating something you know not to be true.

Sovereignty over a woman's body?  No one is disputing that.  And it her free exercise of sovereignty over her body that makes it possible for a new singular life to be created.  Again, no one here is trying to deny her that right.  No one.  But the people of Georgia have decided through their legislature that this new singular life is to be protected by law as is their right under the Constitution, specifically enumerated in Amendment X.  And it is your desire to deny them that right.

And for the record, amending the Georgia State Constitution is not a difficult task.  At any time, you can drive your life-devaluing self down to Georgia and organize for a referendum to be placed on a State-wide ballot to overturn the heartbeat bill and make abortion available at taxpayer expense up until the age of 10, and then let every Georgian vote on it.  But you won't, because you would rather take the lazy tyrannical approach and let some black-robed fiatist impose your will on the rest of us.
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Re: Dem Gov. Vetoes Newborn Care Bill
« Reply #56 on: May 15, 2019, 07:08:12 PM »
@Hoodat

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Re: Dem Gov. Vetoes Newborn Care Bill
« Reply #57 on: May 15, 2019, 07:24:05 PM »
Oh cut the crap.   The Tenth Amendment doesn't give the states the freedom to deny individual rights guaranteed under the Constitution.   Your gun right under the Constitution is worthless if the legislature of your state decides to take it away.    Similarly,  Alabama cannot collectively deny a woman's right to choose an abortion.   

The whole point of protecting individual rights under the Constitution is to prevent the tyranny of the majority.   You're the one who prefers tyranny - according to your warped view of the Constitution,  a majority of Alabamans can "come together" to decide to take away a disfavored individual's right to free speech, or free assembly, or the right to own a gun for personal protection, or (especially and in the here and now) a woman's right to privacy and sovereignty over her own body. 

Bullshit!   

States should have the right to legislate as they see fit, community values.  Not one size fits all.

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Re: Dem Gov. Vetoes Newborn Care Bill
« Reply #58 on: May 15, 2019, 10:00:55 PM »
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Your gun right under the Constitution is worthless if the legislature of your state decides to take it away.

You must have been asleep during Constitutional Law 101 counselor.

Unlike abortion...the right to keep and bear arms is codified in the Bill of Rights.

So yet again your pro infanticide v 2nd Amendment argument is severely flawed and completely off base.
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Re: Dem Gov. Vetoes Newborn Care Bill
« Reply #59 on: May 17, 2019, 07:52:40 AM »
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