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Joe Rogan | Does Facebook Need to be Broken Up?
« on: May 12, 2019, 02:26:52 am »
Joe Rogan | Does Facebook Need to be Broken Up?


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Re: Joe Rogan | Does Facebook Need to be Broken Up?
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2019, 03:55:39 am »
@EdJames there's some good points in this one, and it's short.  What do you think?

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Re: Joe Rogan | Does Facebook Need to be Broken Up?
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2019, 10:41:44 pm »
@EdJames there's some good points in this one, and it's short.  What do you think?

@Sanguine

Thanks, BTW, I have that last Schweizer Google video open in a tab, but haven't had a chance to watch it yet (hoping for later this week).

OK, he is talking about "outrage porn" to give it a name.  Functionally, it is the same thing that a cable outlet like Fox News or CNN does...  they put on story after story that is designed to get the viewer outraged!!  (And of course, staying tuned for the next outrageous story, and coming back later to see/hear more outrageous stories!)

The Facebook "algorithm" actually selects item to be shown in your News Feed using a number of different elements which include:
- ads from advertisers that you have interacted with in the past
- ads from advertisers that you have targeted you using a whole host of various criteria
- posts from Friends/others that you interact with often
- posts from Friends/others that you have reacted to recently
- posts from Friends/others that you have commented on recently
- posts from Friends/others that you have Shared recently

I have seen no evidence of (nor have read any reports of), the "algorithm" selecting items for your News Feed based upon that items capacity to "outrage" you.  Now, if you are on Facebook and regularly interact (react or comment or share) with items in your News Feed that "outrage" you, then for certain, you will continue to see items in your News Feed that "outrage" you (based on the above elements).

So, this is a case of a population of Facebook users that *choose* to get on the platform and argue with others (most often about politics and social issues).  Because this is what they do, they are fed a stream of more of it.  In effect, their behavior on the platform is telling the platform: "More please!!"

Many people use Facebook for other purposes, for example, business purposes.  I can tell you that when I look at my News Feed, I see nothing that outrages me in the least.  I see nothing about politics or social issues, since I never engaged with any posts of this nature.


We may find that we may never see "eye to eye" on this topic, as I come at it from a very libertarian point of view.  (Not to say that I am very libertarian about all issues, but I am about some.)  From my point of view:
- I will always be in favor of government keeping their hands off individuals and other privately owned entities (including corporations).  If the subject has not broken any existing laws (or regulations), then my stance will always tend to favor government not attempting to penalize or otherwise regulate the subject.
- I will always be in favor of government keeping their hands off of "speech," wherever it may be found.  Again, subject to the similar lawfulness as mentioned above. 

It doesn't please me that Facebook and other dominant social media platforms have shown a bias toward suppressing conservative and libertarian speech; that is not pleasing at all.  If I were a user that wanted to use Facebook or these other platforms as a vehicle to promote this type of speech and ideas, I would walk away and find another vehicle to suit my purposes.


Back to the video:
- the "camps" or "information ghettos" that they are speaking of are self-selecting "camps."  The people that find themselves in these "ghettos" have chosen to go into them (based on their behavior on the platform).
- if one chooses to wade into these "ghettos," one will not find the kind of resolution to societal issues that they spend a fair amount of time talking about.
- using the example of regulating genetic engineering is specious, at best.
- I certainly agree that the population as a whole is fed a carefully curated "news feed" in general...  it happens in virtually every media outlet that exists.  The onus is on the news and information consumer to analyze this "news feed" and treat it accordingly.  There will never be a role for government to either perform the curation or the analysis in a suitable manner. 
- Relying on government to be the arbiter of what is "fair," is asking for nothing but trouble.  (Talk about "unintended consequences!!")
- Talking about a "species wide" conversation about anything is fantasy... 
- They do raise a valid point that the world has never been as connected as we are now.  That is a fact of life.  We humans need to sharpen our knowledge and insights about what it means to survive and thrive in this connected world; the genie will not be put back into the bottle.  However, this is an effort that each individual must undertake to the best of her/his abilities, government, nor any other "big brother," can not do this for the individual.

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Re: Joe Rogan | Does Facebook Need to be Broken Up?
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2019, 11:10:56 pm »
Joe Rogan | Does Facebook Need to be Broken Up?



Excellent, @truth_seeker:patriot:

I mostly post Conservative articles and memes, recipes, and cute animal videos and recently ads for Volkswagen Passats.

NEVER, do I see an article meant to enrage me.  Maybe they drop me off the equation/feed based upon my age (72) and figure...hard-headed MF...don't waste your time.   :laugh:
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Re: Joe Rogan | Does Facebook Need to be Broken Up?
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2019, 11:18:54 pm »
Joe Rogan | Does Facebook Need to be Broken Up?

Excellent, @truth_seeker:patriot:

I mostly post Conservative articles and memes, recipes, and cute animal videos and recently ads for Volkswagen Passats.

NEVER, do I see an article meant to enrage me.  Maybe they drop me off the equation/feed based upon my age (72) and figure...hard-headed MF...don't waste your time.   :laugh:

Anytime anyone suggests restricting info in any manner in the interests of 'civility' my radar goes off. Reminds me of how the MSM laments changes since the good ol' days when we all had to rely on them for news.

As far as Facebook goes, yeah it should be broken up.
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Re: Joe Rogan | Does Facebook Need to be Broken Up?
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2019, 11:26:56 pm »
@truth_seeker @EdJames @Sanguine

With the former co-founder of FaceBook coming out this past week suggesting FB be broken up , "...like AT&T"?

Is this an opportunity for Conservatives and "Make America Great Again" Trump supporters to have their own 'FacePage'?  Like FOXNEWS back in the 90's?

Doesn't that make it easier for them to shut us off on specific dates and times?  Before election night, for example?

Two close women friends of mine NEVER watch FOX, get their news on Facebook,  MSNBC or CNN, Or the alphabets.   

A steady stream of:  "OMG!  How could you support him?  He's the worst Racist ever!!  I'm so disappointed in you.....yada, yada, yada."

So...it could be working and we may be in trouble unless he gets Eighty Million votes.   Hoping the booming 'Blue Collar" Economy brings them out for us.
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Re: Joe Rogan | Does Facebook Need to be Broken Up?
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2019, 11:58:55 pm »
@truth_seeker @EdJames @Sanguine

With the former co-founder of FaceBook coming out this past week suggesting FB be broken up , "...like AT&T"?

Is this an opportunity for Conservatives and "Make America Great Again" Trump supporters to have their own 'FacePage'?  Like FOXNEWS back in the 90's?

Doesn't that make it easier for them to shut us off on specific dates and times?  Before election night, for example?

Two close women friends of mine NEVER watch FOX, get their news on Facebook,  MSNBC or CNN, Or the alphabets.   

A steady stream of:  "OMG!  How could you support him?  He's the worst Racist ever!!  I'm so disappointed in you.....yada, yada, yada."

So...it could be working and we may be in trouble unless he gets Eighty Million votes.   Hoping the booming 'Blue Collar" Economy brings them out for us.

@DCPatriot

I'm not sure how many votes that Trump will need for re-election.  I worry less (a lot less!) about him getting enough votes, as I think that more and more people will see the sanity of voting for Trump in 2020 over whichever clown is against him.  I worry more about unchecked voter fraud.  In 2016 they didn't have enough planned in the right places to get HRC across the line; I doubt they will make the same mistake twice.

Personally I think that the Trump campaign should keep using social media as long as they see a positive return for their investment.  Obviously Trump's Tweets reach a very large audience every day of the week, he will not give that up.

But campaigns were mounted and won (or lost) before social media.  He has a ton of options to get his message out: in-person rallies (does anyone ever draw a crowd close to his?), email to supporters, postal mailers, door to door canvasing by volunteers, phone banking, etc.  I don't worry at all about Trump getting his message out and reaching voters.

Anyone that believes in the wisdom of rallying around an effort to have Facebook "broken up," should keep in mind that it will be a long road.  People seem to favor an AT&T comparison, recall that the original anti-trust lawsuit was filed by the DoJ in 1974....  the Modification of Final Judgement (MFJ) or the consent decree closely associated for all time with Judge Greene,  was issued in August of 1982.

Nothing will happen on the "break it up" front, if ever, for many years.  That is why I keep suggesting that conservatives/libertarian voices seek other vehicles to get the message out, the current platforms won't be changed any time soon.