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Uhhhh.....this administration was happy to elicit the help of Iran and their Shiite militias to push ISIS out of Iraq. Thanks to that bit of brilliance, we now have Iranian influence stretching from Zabol to Beruit.


So what if we did?  That doesn't mean we have to put up with Iran killing Americans via their proxies like Hezbollah. 
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Re: Iran Tensions Thread (updates)
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2019, 12:04:47 PM »
Says the same people bitching about a big 4th of July celebration.

Who's surprised. They are our enemy.

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Like when someone has that "Royal Happenings" at the top of the world news page, someone stickied it so it can be a running story...

Maybe I should re-sticky it, the way Corbe's "Share the music you are listening to" is at the top of the Music thread.

The problem with stickying threads is I think sometimes people miss it.

@sneakypete   Certainly will be keeping you in my thoughts at this time.

Update: I guess, the thread will be re-stickied and put at the top.

The Sticky is basically saying it's like a post-it note, putting it, stickying it at the top.



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Re: Iran Tensions Thread (updates)
« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2019, 12:25:36 PM »
Newsweek published this, this may have already been debunked in large part. Parts may still be valid for all I know. We certainly probably always have a plan:

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Trump administration prepares multiple military options for Iran, including airstrikes and setting up ground invasion
By James LaPorta and Tom O'Connor On 5/14/19 at 2:31 PM EDT

When President Trump’s top national security advisers met for a classified meeting at the Pentagon last Thursday, Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan laid out several U.S. military options for Iran, separated into two distinct categories: retaliatory and offensive.

The revised Iran options ordered by John Bolton, President Trump’s national security adviser, have different degrees and redlines for escalation, ranging from airstrikes to targeted incursions, Pentagon officials told Newsweek.

Defense Department officials who have been briefed on the details of the updated military plans for Iran agreed to speak with Newsweek on condition of anonymity. Pentagon officials confirmed a report published in The New York Times on Monday outlining an option to deploy as many as 120,000 U.S. troops to the Middle East if Iran initiates an attack on U.S. forces or continues to work on what the U.S. has alleged were secret nuclear proliferation objectives.

Read more at: https://www.newsweek.com/trump-administration-iran-military-airstrikes-invasion-1425365

After 24-48 hours, probably a merge of Iran threads into this one will be done. Sounds like a plan.

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Re: Iran Tensions Thread (updates)
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2019, 01:22:03 PM »
See video:

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https://twitter.com/RJBrodsky/status/1127308195855241220
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In 30 seconds - here's the direct threat made on behalf of the #Iran regime. Pay attention - Europe especially - since they have a certain track record of appeasement

This is a bit over-the-top analysis but we should pay attention definitely.

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Re: Iran Tensions Thread (updates)
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2019, 01:28:11 PM »
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Iranian-Backed Houthis Claim “Armed” Drone Attack on Vital Oil Infrastructure in Saudi Arabia
by TheTower.org Staff | 05.15.19 7:56 am

Iranian-sponsored Houthi rebels in Yemen have claimed an “armed drones” attack on vital oil infrastructure in Saudi Arabia, underscoring rising tensions in the Middle East.

The kingdom said drones attacked one of its oil pipelines as another armed vehicle targeted energy infrastructure elsewhere in the country on Tuesday. The targets belong to the country’s state-run oil company Aramco.

In a statement carried on the state-run Saudi Press Agency, Energy Minister Khalid al-Falih said Aramco had “temporarily shut down” the pipeline to “evaluate its condition” but added that oil production and exports had not been interrupted.

Read more at: http://www.thetower.org/7327-iranian-backed-houthis-claim-armed-drone-attack-on-vital-oil-infrastructure-in-saudi-arabia/

So, some say this sabotage amounts to being "red flag" operations; but perhaps, the Houthis, Iranian proxy are saying they did do this.

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Re: Iran Tensions Thread (updates)
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2019, 01:33:33 PM »
A Look At The Specific Intelligence Causing State Dept. Warning -Leave Iraq ASAP

https://lidblog.com/intelligence-u-s-leave-iraq/

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Re: Iran Tensions Thread (updates)
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2019, 02:31:28 PM »
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The @StateDept is allowing #Iran to continue doing research in their nuclear bunker at Fordow, which Iran dug into the side of a mountain to build nuclear weapons. They are unwilling to explain to the American people why they’re doing it.

https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz/status/1128702255513907201

Some might find this interesting, this just probably happened in the last day or two.  Senator Cruz questioning (video):
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Andrea L. Thompson was confirmed as Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security on April 26, 2018. Before her arrival at the Department of State, Under Secretary Thompson served as the Deputy Assistant to the President and National Security Advisor to the Vice President.

More at Cruz's twitter:  https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz

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Re: Iran Tensions Thread (updates)
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2019, 03:00:40 PM »
Some might find this interesting, this just probably happened in the last day or two.  Senator Cruz questioning (video):
More at Cruz's twitter:  https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz

What conclusion(s) do you draw from that @TomSea?
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Re: Iran Tensions Thread (updates)
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2019, 03:29:42 PM »
What conclusion(s) do you draw from that @TomSea?

My first reaction was that lady wasn't doing too well who he was questioning.

Otherwise, just what he says, the nuclear lab is in the side of a mountain, Fordow mountain.  Otherwise, I don't draw anything overwhelmingly sinister from the situation. Being against the Iran nuke deal has been a big part of his campaigning.

Fordow mountain? From a year ago:

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Unusual Activity Spotted at Iran’s Fordow Nuclear Site
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19 Iyyar 5778 – May 3, 2018



Unusual activity has been spotted in photos snapped on April 29 (Sunday) by ImageSat International (ISI) of Iran’s underground Fordow nuclear research site in Qom, Iran.

The photos were snapped by the Israeli EROS-B satellite, according to ISI, and were compared to prior images.

https://www.jewishpress.com/news/middle-east/iran-news/unusual-activity-spotted-at-irans-fordow-nuclear-site/2018/05/03/

Mainly just adding that bit in, in case anyone is interested.   If we are having a buildup of tensions or not.

@Sanguine   Thanks for asking.

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Re: Iran Tensions Thread (updates)
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2019, 03:30:46 PM »
A Look At The Specific Intelligence Causing State Dept. Warning -Leave Iraq ASAP

https://lidblog.com/intelligence-u-s-leave-iraq/

Yes, it really sounds like they uncovered intelligence that the Iranians/proxies were planning an attack on us, somewhere.

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Re: Iran Tensions Thread (updates)
« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2019, 03:35:55 PM »
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The chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Sen. Jim Risch, R-Idaho, said a full briefing for the entire Senate was "in the works."

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., an outspoken advocate for tough action toward Iran and a frequent defender of President Donald Trump, also said the State Department and the Defense Department needed to brief lawmakers about why it had chosen to evacuate the U.S. missions in Iraq.

"I would urge the State Department and DoD to come down here and explain to us what's going on," Graham told reporters. "Because I have no idea what the threat stream is beyond what I read in the paper."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/senators-demand-answers-trump-administration-iran-threat-n1005951

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Re: Iran Tensions Thread (updates)
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2019, 03:43:51 PM »
My first reaction was that lady wasn't doing too well who he was questioning.

Otherwise, just what he says, the nuclear lab is in the side of a mountain, Fordow mountain.  Otherwise, I don't draw anything overwhelmingly sinister from the situation. Being against the Iran nuke deal has been a big part of his campaigning.

Fordow mountain? From a year ago:

Mainly just adding that bit in, in case anyone is interested.   If we are having a buildup of tensions or not.

@Sanguine   Thanks for asking.

Thanks, Tom.
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Re: Iran Tensions Thread (updates)
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2019, 03:55:13 PM »
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Mike Pompeo said Iran-backed militias moved rockets near American bases in Iraq
By Lukas Mikelionis | Fox News

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told Iraqi officials that U.S. intelligence showed Iran-backed militias moved missiles near bases housing American forces.

Pompeo made the disclosure to Iraq’s top brass during his surprise visit earlier this month, Reuters reported. The revelation comes just hours after all non-emergency personnel at the U.S. Embassy in Iraq was ordered to leave the country.


He asked the military officials to keep the Shi’ite militias in control as they are expanding their presence in the country and now are part of the country’s security apparatus. The top diplomat warned that otherwise, the U.S. would have to use force to tackle the security threats.

Read more at: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pompeo-iran-militias-rockets-american-bases-iraq

Significant.
 


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Re: Iran Tensions Thread (updates)
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2019, 04:03:14 PM »
Cui bono?

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Re: Iran Tensions Thread (updates)
« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2019, 04:12:57 PM »
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Ted Cruz slams 'Orwellian' Trump administration official for stonewalling about allowing Iranian nuclear research
by Philip Klein  | May 15, 2019 02:22 PM
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Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, on Wednesday took a Trump State Department official to the woodshed, slamming her "Orwellian" response as she stonewalled rather than explain why the administration was allowing Iran to continue its nuclear research activities.

As I've previously noted, while President Trump has taken many important steps to unwind the Iran deal after publicly pulling out of it, much work remains. One of the most glaring problems that has persisted has been the odd insistence of the administration to continue to allow nuclear research in the bunkered Fordow facility.

"How is it possibly in our best interest to allow Iran to continue doing nuclear research in the Fordow bunker that was built in the side of the mountain to be able to develop nuclear weapons to use to murder Americans?" Cruz asked in a hearing of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. "How is that in our best interest?"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/ted-cruz-slams-orwellian-trump-administration-official-for-stonewalling-about-allowing-iranian-nuclear-research

Not sure how important this that transpired was but something to keep in mind. Hawkish? I thought the lady worked for the Trump admin. but I was a bit unsure.

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Re: Iran Tensions Thread (updates)
« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2019, 06:13:19 PM »
US pulls nonessential staff from Iraq amid Mideast tensions
Houston Chronicle By JON GAMBRELL and PHILIP ISSA,  May 15, 2019
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/crime/article/Satellite-image-shows-Saudi-pump-station-after-13846303.php

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The U.S. on Wednesday ordered all nonessential government staff to leave Iraq, and Germany and the Netherlands both suspended their military assistance programs in the country in the latest sign of tensions sweeping the Persian Gulf region over still-unspecified threats that the Trump administration says are linked to Iran.

Recent days have seen allegations of sabotage targeting oil tankers off the coast of the United Arab Emirates, a drone attack by Yemen's Iranian-allied Houthi rebels, and the dispatch of U.S. warships and bombers to the region.

At the root of this appears to be President Donald Trump's decision a year ago to pull the U.S. from Iran's nuclear deal with world powers, embarking on a maximalist sanctions campaign against Tehran. In response, Iran's supreme leader issued a veiled threat Tuesday, saying it wouldn't be difficult for the Islamic Republic to enrich uranium to weapons-grade levels.

The movement of diplomatic personnel is often done in times of conflict, but what is driving the decisions from the White House remains unclear. A high-ranking British general said there was no new threat from Iran or its regional proxies, something immediately rebutted by the U.S. military's Central Command, which said its troops were on high alert, without elaborating.

Last week, U.S. officials said they had detected signs of Iranian preparations for potential attacks on U.S. forces and interests in the Middle East, but Washington has not spelled out that threat.

An alert on the website of the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad said all nonessential, nonemergency U.S. government staff were ordered to leave Iraq right away under State Department orders. That includes those working at the U.S. Consulate in Irbil. The U.S. Consulate in Basra has been closed since September following a rocket attack blamed on Iranian-backed militias.

The U.S. in recent days has ordered the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier strike group to the Gulf region, plus four B-52 bombers.

More at link
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Re: Iran Tensions Thread (updates)
« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2019, 06:32:06 AM »
Washington Times, if these are the kinds of missiles that are being moved around, ouch!:


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/may/15/us-intel-showed-iran-backed-militias-moving-rocket/?utm_source=Boomtrain&utm_medium=manual&utm_campaign=evening&utm_term=evening&utm_content=evening&bt_ee=NOugz0t3FOT5BpiyNwhanT2c1tV0GtCciBXyTGFrfw6Ag%2BIyhR48Gbn0GxhCcvoE&bt_ts=1557956228097

The sanctions are biting, that's why we've had this incident. Sanctions are biting, sanctions were ramped up. Some experts would say, we are trying to goad them into a confrontation. Then, you have the others who would say, see, this is indeed what they want and they want to build these dangerous nukes.

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Re: Iran Tensions Thread (updates)
« Reply #43 on: May 16, 2019, 11:09:16 AM »
Flashback.

Check date, May 12, 2008, anyway, we raised sanctions on Iran, that apparently is causing some distress for them.  They could have saved those nuke deal billions for a rainy day. BTW, I think Buchanan was doing a ruse here on this topic:

Hot Air:

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Pat Buchanan to Lieberman: Why aren’t we bombing Iran now?
Ed Morrissey Posted at 5:20 pm on May 12, 2008

https://hotair.com/archives/2008/05/12/pat-buchanan-to-lieberman-why-arent-we-bombing-iran-now/

Then the article seems to be a bit out on a tangent talking about the campaign of that year.

Anyway, we can see if anything significant develops.


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Re: Iran Tensions Thread (updates)
« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2019, 11:28:07 AM »
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Saudi paper urges US 'surgical strikes' on Iran
AP|Published:  05.16.19 , 16:23

A state-aligned Saudi newspaper is calling for "surgical" U.S. strikes in retaliation against alleged threats from Iran.
 
The Arab News published an editorial in English on Thursday, arguing that after incidents this week against Saudi energy targets, the next logical step "should be surgical strikes."
 
The editorial says U.S. airstrikes in Syria, when the government there was suspected of using chemical weapons against civilians, "set a precedent."

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5510325,00.html

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Re: Iran Tensions Thread (updates)
« Reply #45 on: May 16, 2019, 11:35:40 AM »
Cui bono?

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Re: Iran Tensions Thread (updates)
« Reply #46 on: May 16, 2019, 12:43:05 PM »
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SPOTTED: SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN (D-Calif.), who sits on the Senate Intelligence Committee, walking around the Capitol with her iPhone screen facing outward in full view, and Javad Zarif’s contact page on the screen. Zarif is the name of Iran’s foreign minister.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2019/05/16/what-dianne-feinsteins-phone-told-us-437020?cid=su_tw_pb
https://twitter.com/politico/status/1129000942622388225
I guess, they can see this if they claim it, I'm unsure of which picture. Must be the 2nd one(?).

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See, I think the Iranians are peeved primarily about the sanctions. So, Yay or Nay? That's just my commentary.

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Trump Readies a New War on Iran’s Economy
The warships and the leaked battle plans are getting the attention. But the real attack on Iran may be sanctions designed to destabilize the country and undermine its leadership.
Erin Banco,   Asawin Suebsaeng    05.15.19 10:03 PM ET

The Trump administration’s increasingly aggressive military posture toward Iran is overshadowing its more concrete plans for crippling the regime in Tehran: a set of robust new sanctions to add to its economic warfare campaign.

Senior professionals inside the administration, who have been crafting Iran policy since before President Trump’s inauguration, are considering another sanctions package designed to destabilize Iran, undermine that country’s leadership, and, potentially, serve as an alternative to military action. Among the proposals being looked at are sanctions that would effectively blacklist certain sectors of the Iranian economy, including the petrochemical sector, according to two individuals with direct knowledge of the conversations.

An aggressive sanctions strategy isn’t a new tactic for the president. Since Trump took office, the administration has slapped sanctions on nearly 1,000 individuals and entities to tighten the screws on Tehran. But the latest round of proposed sanctions would make it even more difficult, if not legally impossible, for many other countries or companies to do business in some of Iran’s most significant business sectors.

Read more at: https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-readies-a-new-war-on-irans-economy

Pretty good analysis, imo.

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Re: Iran Tensions Thread (updates)
« Reply #47 on: May 16, 2019, 03:42:52 PM »
I guess, they can see this if they claim it, I'm unsure of which picture. Must be the 2nd one(?).

Both pictures are old file photos from at least 2018.  They are not related to the phone contact exposed.
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Re: Iran Tensions Thread (updates)
« Reply #48 on: May 18, 2019, 08:38:06 PM »
Fmr CIA chief of station: 'Encouraging' that Iran is unloading missiles from its boats

By Sam Dorman | Fox News




Daniel Hoffman says he believes Iran is attempting to deescalate the rising tensions with the U.S.

Iran's decision to remove missiles from two of its boats indicated the rogue nation was de-escalating tensions surrounding its nuclear program, former CIA Chief of Station Daniel Hoffman said on Saturday.

Hoffman told "America's News HQ" that the removal was "an encouraging sign." "I think Iran is trying to de-escalate.

Foreign minister [Mohammad Javad] Zarif has also stated that Iran has stated publicly that Iran has no interest whatsoever in war with the United States," he added while speaking with Fox News host Leland Vittert.

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https://www.foxnews.com/world/cia-chief-iran-missiles-boats
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Re: Iran Tensions Thread (updates)
« Reply #49 on: May 18, 2019, 08:50:10 PM »
U.S. warns airliners flying over Persian Gulf amid tensions with Iran

Updated on: May 18, 2019 / 9:39 AM / CBS/AP




U.S. diplomats warned Saturday that commercial airliners flying over the wider Persian Gulf faced a risk of being "misidentified" amid heightened tensions between the U.S. and Iran.

The warning relayed by U.S. diplomatic posts from the Federal Aviation Administration underlined the risks the tensions pose to a region crucial to global air travel. It also came as Lloyd's of London warned of increasing risks to maritime shipping in the region.

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-warns-airliners-flying-over-persian-gulf-amid-tensions-with-iran/


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