How Germany went wobbly on the West

[rangerrebew]

How Germany went wobbly on the West

Former Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel exemplifies his country’s geopolitical misjudgments.

By John Vinocur   

5/2/19, 7:45 PM CET

Updated 5/4/19, 5:36 AM CET


If there’s a moment that betrays Germany’s wobbly geopolitical instincts, it is Berlin's we-won't-think-of-fighting response to Russian military maneuvers that followed Moscow’s takeover of Crimea.

About three weeks after Russia’s flag was hoisted over Crimea’s parliament building in 2014, up to 40,000 of its troops were reportedly massing along Ukraine’s eastern border. U.S. General Phillip Breedlove, NATO’s supreme allied commander in Europe, speaking at a German Marshall Fund event in Brussels, described the build-up as "very, very sizeable, very, very ready" and "very worrisome."

German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen, a Christian Democrat, responded with solidarity and concern, saying that it is important for NATO countries bordering Russia that the alliance "show its presence" there.

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-nato-russia-ukraine-crimea-west-defense-army-military/

[Fishrrman]

From the article:
"German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen, a Christian Democrat, responded with solidarity and concern, saying that it is important for NATO countries bordering Russia that the alliance "show its presence" there."

Who would you put YOUR money on?

[sneakypete]

How Germany went wobbly on the West

Former Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel exemplifies his country’s geopolitical misjudgments.

By John Vinocur   

5/2/19, 7:45 PM CET

Updated 5/4/19, 5:36 AM CET


If there’s a moment that betrays Germany’s wobbly geopolitical instincts, it is Berlin's we-won't-think-of-fighting response to Russian military maneuvers that followed Moscow’s takeover of Crimea.

About three weeks after Russia’s flag was hoisted over Crimea’s parliament building in 2014, up to 40,000 of its troops were reportedly massing along Ukraine’s eastern border. U.S. General Phillip Breedlove, NATO’s supreme allied commander in Europe, speaking at a German Marshall Fund event in Brussels, described the build-up as "very, very sizeable, very, very ready" and "very worrisome."

German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen, a Christian Democrat, responded with solidarity and concern, saying that it is important for NATO countries bordering Russia that the alliance "show its presence" there.

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-nato-russia-ukraine-crimea-west-defense-army-military/

@rangerrebew

Ironically enough,the destruction of Germany and the German culture because when the Berlin Wall collapsed,and East and West Germany united again. Germany gained all those brainwashed communists from the East,and when you added them to the leftist Germans already living in West Germany,suddenly the Communists had a majority in government dedicated to destroying Germany as a nation.

How ironic is it that the USSR had to collapse for Communism to take over in the west?

[sneakypete]

From the article:
"German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen, a Christian Democrat, responded with solidarity and concern, saying that it is important for NATO countries bordering Russia that the alliance "show its presence" there."

Who would you put YOUR money on?

@Fishrrman

Can we have one more clue? I know that one photo represents something different than the other photo,but I can't quite put my finger on it.

[dfwgator]

And as always, Poland sits in the middle.

[Absalom]

@rangerrebew
Ironically enough,the destruction of Germany and the German culture because when the Berlin Wall collapsed,and East and West Germany united again. Germany gained all those brainwashed communists from the East,and when you added them to the leftist Germans already living in West Germany,suddenly the Communists had a majority in government dedicated to destroying Germany as a nation.
How ironic is it that the USSR had to collapse for Communism to take over in the west?

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Likely well intentioned but utter nonsense nevertheless.
Neither Germany nor it's culture have been destroyed;
nor will they ever be by Russia, who they thrashed in
1914 and again in 1939.
They will do it again if and when they feel like it.  Period.

[sneakypete]

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Likely well intentioned but utter nonsense nevertheless.
Neither Germany nor it's culture have been destroyed;
nor will they ever be by Russia who they thrashed in 1914
and again in 1939.
They will do it again if and when they feel like it.  Period.

@Absalom

Uh,huh. When are they going to start,and who are the "they" that are going to start it?

WW-2 pretty much bled out the male German population,and I am guessing MORE than half the babies born in Germany between 1945 and 1960 had non-German fathers. What passes for a "German" today would have been considered a foreigner a few generations ago.

I will not be surprised to see  laws passed all over Europe in the next 10 years that will make it illegal for an ethnic white to marry or have children with another ethnic white.

I also won't be surprised to see the left try to get such laws passed in the US.

[rangerrebew]

Uh,huh. When are they going to start,and who are the "they" that are going to start it?
 

That won't happen Sneaky.  It is more likely it will become an Islamic state within the next ten years and anything German will become a distant memory.

[sneakypete]

That won't happen Sneaky.  It is more likely it will become an Islamic state within the next ten years and anything German will become a distant memory.

@rangerrebew

I see the same thing happening in Great Britain and France,and after this happens there is effectively no such thing as Europe as a collection of free and independent nations with left. Islam will be in control of both the economy and the effective military might,so it's over. Europe will effectively become Islamic,and they will then begin to wage economic and social war on America. The only powers left standing to oppose them will be Russia and China.

How ironic will it be that the two major communist powers of the 20th Century will be the only independent nations left,and that the people of Russia will most likely be the only people left living free in the 21st Century? This is assuming of course that the reason we don't hear much about Islam being on the march in either place isn't just due to the lack of reporting it.

[rangerrebew]

@sneakypete

The same things going on in Europe are happening here.  We are in severe danger and no one in government will admit it - just like in Europe.  And the military has become too PC to raise the alarm.

[dfwgator]

Once all the Germans were warlike and mean
But that couldn't happen again
We taught them a lesson in 1918
And they've hardly bothered us since then

-Tom Lehrer

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

The same things going on in Europe are happening here.  We are in severe danger and no one in government will admit it - just like in Europe.  And the military has become too PC to raise the alarm.

@rangerrebew

I am in complete agreement. Say something in public about it,and get called a racist. When it comes to the point where you allow the enemy to control the language/dialogue,they have already won the arguement.

[Joe Wooten]

@rangerrebew

I see the same thing happening in Great Britain and France,and after this happens there is effectively no such thing as Europe as a collection of free and independent nations with left. Islam will be in control of both the economy and the effective military might,so it's over. Europe will effectively become Islamic,and they will then begin to wage economic and social war on America. The only powers left standing to oppose them will be Russia and China.

How ironic will it be that the two major communist powers of the 20th Century will be the only independent nations left,and that the people of Russia will most likely be the only people left living free in the 21st Century? This is assuming of course that the reason we don't hear much about Islam being on the march in either place isn't just due to the lack of reporting it.

It won't take long for the islamocrazies to run those nations into the ground. Even Germany ranks 31st or so as far as economic size compared to the 50 American states.

[dfwgator]

That won't happen Sneaky.  It is more likely it will become an Islamic state within the next ten years and anything German will become a distant memory.

Hitler wished Germany had adopted Islam,  he felt Christianity was too "flabby" and Islam was a better religion for soldiers.

[sneakypete]

Hitler wished Germany had adopted Islam,  he felt Christianity was too "flabby" and Islam was a better religion for soldiers.

@dfwgator

Maybe,but I think it was convenience and a shared hatred for Jews that had more to do with that than anything.

[Absalom]

Hitler wished Germany had adopted Islam,  he felt Christianity was too "flabby" and Islam was a better religion for soldiers.

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One of the most colossally ridiculous comments ever uttered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Joe Wooten]

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One of the most colossally ridiculous comments ever uttered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But it has the advantage of being true. Himmler also looked favorably on Islam.

[sneakypete]

But it has the advantage of being true. Himmler also looked favorably on Islam.

@Joe Wooten

Well,to be fair/more accurate,Himmler was wildly in favor of anything Hitler was in favor of,and Hitler seemed to have been searching for a new religion to take up.

MY personal POV on this is that when the inherent racism of Hitler emerged from the fog of drugs that he would look around and scream "These people are not of the Master Race! Kill Himmler for supporting them!

That was NOT going to be a match made in heaven.

[dfwgator]

@Joe Wooten

Well,to be fair/more accurate,Himmler was wildly in favor of anything Hitler was in favor of,and Hitler seemed to have been searching for a new religion to take up.

MY personal POV on this is that when the inherent racism of Hitler emerged from the fog of drugs that he would look around and scream "These people are not of the Master Race! Kill Himmler for supporting them!

That was NOT going to be a match made in heaven.

The idea is that if the Turks prevailed, the Germans would have adopted the religion,  Hitler didn't care for the Arab race,  but he felt if the Aryan Germans became the standard-bearers of Islam, they would have been more ruthless and conquered the world.

[sneakypete]

The idea is that if the Turks prevailed, the Germans would have adopted the religion,  Hitler didn't care for the Arab race,  but he felt if the Aryan Germans became the standard-bearers of Islam, they would have been more ruthless and conquered the world.

@dfwgator

You are probably right,but Hitler was able to at least pretend he like Arabs during the war.

We all know what would have happened to them if the Nazi's had won the war,though.

[rangerrebew]

  Arab/Muslim World:Recent Historical Directions

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0265691416671105

This is a pretty good, relatively short overview of Hitler and Muslims based on more recent findings.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2018/06/27/ANALYSIS-The-Nazi-roots-of-Muslim-Brotherhood.html

If you read this, think of Imam Obama having members of this terror group with access to all American information.