Author Topic: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020 (Read 3521 times)

mystery-ak · « **on:** April 18, 2019, 02:21:42 pm »

Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
By Zack Budryk - 04/18/19 10:02 AM EDT

Republican strategist Karl Rove says Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) could defeat President Trump in 2020.

In an opinion piece in The Wall Street Journal Thursday, Rove cited Sanders's performance at a Monday town hall on Fox News, during which the audience applauded his calls for "Medicare for All."

â€œWhen only 37% of Americans in the RealClearPolitics average think the country is going in the right direction while 56.4% think itâ€™s on the wrong track, Mr. Sanders could be perceived as an agent of change,â€ Rove wrote.

â€œIf he is the Democratic nominee, Mr. Trumpâ€™s task will be to convince Americans that a socialist turn would be a ruinous change. Based on Mondayâ€™s town hall, that wonâ€™t be as easy as Republicans may think. Mr. Sanders is a real contender,â€ he added.

Rove wrote that Sanders showed he has improved as a candidate since 2016, citing how he sidestepped a question about whether he benefitted from the Republican tax cuts to focus instead on Trump's refusal to release his own returns.

Rove added that Sanders had learned how to â€œsmooth socialismâ€™s rough edges" and now had a message focused on economic disparities that resonated with voters.

more
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/439489-karl-rove-sanders-could-win-presidency-in-2020

Fishrrman · « **Reply #1 on:** April 18, 2019, 04:13:45 pm »

catfish1957 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 18, 2019, 04:19:46 pm »

Sanders as POTUS

Expat and their bags of money will move elsewhere an increase of a 100 fold. Considering the econonomic consequences, I might consider it myself.

Wonder how this country's economy will fare if a big chunk of its capital base jettisons.

austingirl · « **Reply #3 on:** April 18, 2019, 04:25:29 pm »

Depends on how successful voter fraud by the democommies is. But I don't think Sanders will get the nomination. Old white men are anathema to the DNC.

Free Vulcan · « **Reply #4 on:** April 18, 2019, 05:55:14 pm »

Thanks for that wild speculation nobody needed Turdblossom.

libertybele · « **Reply #5 on:** April 18, 2019, 06:08:53 pm »

I'm sorry but, I had to laugh about this one. Karl Rove, the great predictor. I can still visualize him holding up all those stupid graphics showing how Bammy was going to loose. How does he even think he has a shred of credibility left, or feel that anyone is listening?

GtHawk · « **Reply #6 on:** April 18, 2019, 06:51:55 pm »

karl Rove, wasn't he somebody once..............a long time ago?

IsailedawayfromFR · « **Reply #7 on:** April 18, 2019, 08:23:24 pm »

over ten years since Rove was relevant

truth_seeker · « **Reply #8 on:** April 18, 2019, 08:34:49 pm »

Rove is merely repeating what vrious polls have found.

edpc · « **Reply #9 on:** April 18, 2019, 09:29:08 pm »

I think itâ€™s safe to say, after the last 3 presidential primaries and elections, you canâ€™t dismiss any outcome, no matter how ridiculous it sounds.

jafo2010 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 21, 2019, 09:23:29 pm »

Obama's presidency cured the likelihood of many insane outsomes, i.e. an aged socialist becoming president any time soon. Just not going to happen.

First off, he will never get passed HRC. She has not declared yet, but she will....soon. I give it 1-2 months top after Biden formally announces. She will enter to save the party, and I believe it has been choreographed all along. And I think there is a good chance she said to all, whoever comes in 2nd will get my nod for VP. So, imagine a Clinton-Sanders ticket, or Clinton-Booker, or Clinton-Harris ticket? That is the most likely scenario I see happening.

It will be Clinton, just do not know who her running mate will be....maybe Clinton-Abrams? Fairly certain it will be someone of color to bring them back in the fold.

If the economy begins to tank a little, it is possible for Trump to lose. I believe the FED is working toward that end.

Absalom · « **Reply #11 on:** April 21, 2019, 10:20:41 pm »

Quote from: libertybele on April 18, 2019, 06:08:53 pm

I'm sorry but, I had to laugh about this one. Karl Rove, the great predictor. I can still visualize him holding up all those stupid graphics showing how Bammy was going to loose. How does he even think he has a shred of credibility left, or feel that anyone is listening?

-------------------------
On the mark!
Add Bush to Rove and it's still = zero.
A media flunky.

Chosen Daughter · « **Reply #12 on:** April 22, 2019, 01:59:37 am »

It could be what we have now is worse. Think about it. This is no longer a Republic. Working class people are paying for socialism with no benefit. They are already being forced to pay to take care of immigrant families. Yet we are making the same as they are. So we already have socialism. We might as well get everything paid for too just like the immigrants do.

Government on both sides of the isle will do nothing to stop the thievery going on to pay for illegal immigration. They think we are bottomless pits that won't get tired of providing corporate welfare.

Chosen Daughter · « **Reply #13 on:** April 22, 2019, 02:21:14 am »

I haven't seen the Republican party doing anything about the Socialism. I just thought that they had determined that they can't beat it so they have joined it. I just so enjoy paying for people's health care. Paying for abortions. Paying for obese immigrants to buy Mexican cookies and frozen dinners on the state. Phones so they can call all their relatives and tell them to come on the next caravan. /S

dfwgator · « **Reply #14 on:** April 22, 2019, 02:23:37 am »

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on April 22, 2019, 02:21:14 am

I haven't seen the Republican party doing anything about the Socialism. I just thought that they had determined that they can't beat it so they have joined it.

Republicans want the cheap labor to exploit.

Chosen Daughter · « **Reply #15 on:** April 22, 2019, 02:47:34 am »

Quote from: dfwgator on April 22, 2019, 02:23:37 am

Republicans want the cheap labor to exploit.

Bingo and they think we will keep on paying without a peep. Its time citizens say no more.

Absalom · « **Reply #16 on:** April 22, 2019, 04:02:14 am »

A reality check!
Our only principled conservative party was the Southern Agrarian & Rural Democrats
of Henry, Rutledge, Jefferson, Madison, among several; sadly destroyed by our Civil War
as a result of its embrace of slavery.
The Republican Party was the spawn of Northern Mercantilism; later the Industrialist Class
and had absolutely N-O-T-H-I-N-G to do w/Conservatism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It supported:
* Centralized government and opposed States Rights.
* Trade Protectionism via Tariffs and opposed Free Trade.
* Judicial activism and opposed the Principle of Precedent.
Nothing has changed except the political bs it concocts
every 2 years to beguile the infantile.

Chosen Daughter · « **Reply #17 on:** April 22, 2019, 04:12:48 am »

Trump says we will never have socialism? We have socialism and this article says Trump was going to do something about it...............over a year ago.

Warning: Disturbing statistics.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/census-confirms-63-percent-of-non-citizens-on-welfare-4-6-million-households?fbclid=IwAR1l7HvINVhfJYlusDxdEKLO78dV-jpa0RtpSnaeZ_AGGCE2W8huKNetrkY

Pelosi: Socialism â€˜Not the View of the Democratic Partyâ€™

Jack Crowe
,National Reviewâ€¢April 15, 2019

https://news.yahoo.com/pelosi-socialism-not-view-democratic-173502169.html

Yeah right Nancy.

dfwgator · « **Reply #18 on:** April 22, 2019, 04:58:33 am »

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on April 22, 2019, 04:12:48 am

Trump says we will never have socialism? We have socialism and this article says Trump was going to do something about it...............over a year ago.

Both Parties want Socialism. Trump is a "One Man Band."

Chosen Daughter · « **Reply #19 on:** April 22, 2019, 02:29:42 pm »

Quote from: dfwgator on April 22, 2019, 04:58:33 am

Both Parties want Socialism. Trump is a "One Man Band."

If you say so.

Ivanka close to securing paid family leave with help from Daddy and GOP

https://noqreport.com/2019/02/13/ivanka-close-securing-paid-family-leave-help-daddy-gop/

I am sure there will be plenty of illegal immigrants wanting to take advantage of that.

Jazzhead · « **Reply #20 on:** April 22, 2019, 02:52:35 pm »

Ignore Karl Rove's advice at your peril, folks. Can Sanders win in a one-on-one with Trump? Yes, he can. Conservatives obsess over ideological purity and stupid stuff like abortion, snipe at one another and never think of the larger picture. Meanwhile, Trump will cause the opposition to be both united and motivated.

The legacy of Donald Trump will be providing the means for radical socialism and identity politics to find purchase on a national level.

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #21 on:** April 22, 2019, 03:01:41 pm »

Quote from: Jazzhead on April 22, 2019, 02:52:35 pm

The legacy of Donald Trump will be providing the means for radical socialism and identity politics to find purchase on a national level.

Jazzhead · « **Reply #22 on:** April 22, 2019, 04:23:46 pm »

Laugh all you want, @Right_in_Virginia . There is more at stake for conservatives in 2020 than in any election in my lifetime. That's because of an unholy combination of a newly radicalized Democratic party, and an incumbent President who never gain the approval of even 50% of the electorate. Trump clings to the adoration of his base and refuses to address the concerns of the rest of us, tired and weary of the clown show.

Meanwhile, the chances are excellent that the Dems will nominate someone willing to try socialism, and even more willing to divide this nation along tribal lines. Indeed, Trump's willing to do the same damn thing. Again, while his base laps it up, willing to do battle against immigrants and Muslims and women and homosexuals and others Trump tells 'em it is okay now to despise as the manufactured cause of their frustration (even in the midst of an economic boom!), the rest of us are sick and tired.

That economic boom should be paving the way for a GOP landslide, and the reason it will not is named Donald J. Trump. I support many of his policies, but he is the wrong man at the wrong time in our history. The Dems will seize on the opportunity he creates to utterly destroy the electoral prospects for conservatism for years to come. We have made a deal with the devil, but it is not too late to change course. Trump must ushered into retirement by the members of his own party.

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #23 on:** April 22, 2019, 05:23:17 pm »

Quote from: Jazzhead on April 22, 2019, 04:23:46 pm

Again, while his base laps it up, willing to do battle against immigrants and Muslims and women and homosexuals and others Trump tells 'em it is okay now to despise as the manufactured cause of their frustration (even in the midst of an economic boom!), the rest of us are sick and tired.

No matter how much you write and how hard you try --- this ^ right here --- always bleeds through. It's your raison d'Ãªtre and why I believe you're a democrat socialist with one hand posting warnings of oncoming catastrophe and the other with fingers crossed behind your back. I believe you want the President to not just lose, but lose to a socialist. I believe you want open borders, without any restrictions. I believe you think of all Trump supporters as mere dust on your superior lapel.

And I believe you are going to be desperately disappointed. Again.

libertybele · « **Reply #24 on:** April 22, 2019, 05:35:16 pm »

Quote from: Jazzhead on April 22, 2019, 04:23:46 pm

Laugh all you want, @Right_in_Virginia . There is more at stake for conservatives in 2020 than in any election in my lifetime. That's because of an unholy combination of a newly radicalized Democratic party, and an incumbent President who never gain the approval of even 50% of the electorate. Trump clings to the adoration of his base and refuses to address the concerns of the rest of us, tired and weary of the clown show.

Meanwhile, the chances are excellent that the Dems will nominate someone willing to try socialism, and even more willing to divide this nation along tribal lines. Indeed, Trump's willing to do the same damn thing. Again, while his base laps it up, willing to do battle against immigrants and Muslims and women and homosexuals and others Trump tells 'em it is okay now to despise as the manufactured cause of their frustration (even in the midst of an economic boom!), the rest of us are sick and tired.

That economic boom should be paving the way for a GOP landslide, and the reason it will not is named Donald J. Trump. I support many of his policies, but he is the wrong man at the wrong time in our history. The Dems will seize on the opportunity he creates to utterly destroy the electoral prospects for conservatism for years to come. We have made a deal with the devil, but it is not too late to change course. Trump must ushered into retirement by the members of his own party.

Good post. I for the most part agree with you. Only problem is, who does the GOP have that is willing to run against Trump? Sure there are a couple of great people who I'd like to see oppose him, but unless he decides not to seek re-election, I don't see a whole lot of opposition coming his way.

Had Trump been able to fulfill his #1 promise of a wall and no amnesty, he would be able to win by a landslide. He failed. Regardless of reason he failed and things are worse at the border than they ever have been in history.

Peronally, and I hope that I am dead wrong, IMHO Trump never had any intent on fulfilling that promise. Certainly there are things that he could have done or could be doing and he's kicked the issue down the road. Doesn't sound like someone who was serious about keeping his promise, nor does it sound like someone he cares if he gets re-elected or not. I think we will see a complete DEM majority in 2020.