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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #125 on: April 16, 2019, 04:02:04 pm »
Just as easily, the French and others might thank Trump for showing concern. Really? Trump is showing himself to be an ugly American because he mentioned a way to fight fire??  If we had a problem and Macron said the same in a tweet, so what?  It's just something being used to skewer the president.  A lot of people chimed in about what could be done.


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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #126 on: April 16, 2019, 04:03:11 pm »
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #127 on: April 16, 2019, 04:09:23 pm »
Last summer I think it was, Brazil's National Museum, a very historic building, burned largely to a loss.  There's so much wood, old wood at that. These fires are not totally uncommon.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/02/americas/brazil-national-museum-fire-intl/index.html

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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #128 on: April 16, 2019, 04:20:21 pm »
Update: No sign of arson, likely worker accident.
http://news.trust.org/item/20190416123058-ee2q1

The first alarm was triggered 20ish minutes before the fire was detected.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/paris-notre-dame-fire-extinguished-revealing-massive-damage-to-the-800-year-old-landmark-situation-still-precarious

While I don't have any other information and this is all speculation, I wonder if it was something electrical that created smoke, when they checked for fire, they saw none but it was spreading behind a wall or something.  Someone may have dropped the ball not looking hard enough for what triggered the first alarm.

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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #129 on: April 16, 2019, 04:25:29 pm »
Can we maybe stick to the topic at hand and not turn this into yet another "slam Trump" thread?

Indeed. Its grown beyond boring.

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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #130 on: April 16, 2019, 04:26:06 pm »
I just read that there was no welding equipment on site, so if it was accidental, it was something else.
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #131 on: April 16, 2019, 04:42:13 pm »
It may not be rebuilt as  Catholic Church.  "Macron pledged to rebuild #NotreDame immediately 'in a way consistent with our modern diverse nation'."

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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #132 on: April 16, 2019, 04:43:00 pm »
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #133 on: April 16, 2019, 04:44:28 pm »
Can we maybe stick to the topic at hand and not turn this into yet another "slam Trump" thread?


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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #134 on: April 16, 2019, 04:44:37 pm »
It may not be rebuilt as  Catholic Church.  "Macron pledged to rebuild #NotreDame immediately 'in a way consistent with our modern diverse nation'."

The cathedral is state owned?  The Church needs to tell him to take a hike.
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #135 on: April 16, 2019, 04:46:04 pm »
It may not be rebuilt as  Catholic Church.  "Macron pledged to rebuild #NotreDame immediately 'in a way consistent with our modern diverse nation'."

Does the little weenie get to decide how the church is rebuilt? Does the Catholic Church have any say? Serious question.
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #136 on: April 16, 2019, 04:56:33 pm »
The cathedral is state owned?

Yes.

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The Church needs to tell him to take a hike.

??? They don't own the building.
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #137 on: April 16, 2019, 05:39:42 pm »
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In perhaps the most ironic of responses to the tragedy of 800 years of history going up in smoke, progressive commentator Ian Millhiser tweeted that, “The fact that a human achievement that took a century to build can be burnt away in a few hours is such a horrible metaphor for democracy in 2019.”

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Uhhh,I don't know who Ian Millhiser is or where he lives,but people who live in the area where I live have known about fire for a long,LONG time now.


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And it takes a rootless progressive to look at a burning church and conclude that the politics of the current year are being symbolized there rather than the relentless smashing of our collective Judeo-Christian heritage by progressives like himself over the past century. It is the progressives that have played the role of iconoclast and demanded that we do away with the beliefs that gave rise to the awesome spires of Europe’s cathedrals, and it is they that have cheered the destruction and warmed themselves by the flames. What they have not realized is that once you start a fire, you cannot always control where it spreads and you may not have the power to put it out once it begins to consume things that you wanted to keep.  ...

It took "rootless progressives" to start "The Reformation" that ended the grip of terror  the Catholic Church held over all of Europe and the New World,too.
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #138 on: April 16, 2019, 05:49:36 pm »
Yes.

??? They don't own the building.

I didn't know the building is State owned so I'm sure the Church's leverage is limited. 
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #139 on: April 16, 2019, 06:19:36 pm »
Images from the BBC, before and after the fire....



Far more intact than it looked like there would be during the fire.
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #140 on: April 16, 2019, 06:20:51 pm »
European Churches: Vandalized, Defecated On, and Torched "Every Day"

by Raymond Ibrahim
April 14, 2019 at 5:00 am

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/14044/europe-churches-vandalized
 

   
 
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  In virtually every instance of church attacks, authorities and media obfuscate the identity of the vandals. In those rare instances when the Muslim (or "migrant") identity of the destroyers is leaked, the desecraters are then presented as suffering from mental health issues.


Well,they are mentally ill. The believe in heaven and hell,and "The Big Booger in the Sky" that sees all,knows all,and cheers the death and destruction of non-believers.

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There is an eloquent silence in both France and Germany about the scandal of the desecrations and the origin of the perpetrators...
 

Of course. No government employee or official that wants to keep their job or be able to retire with their pension dare to tell the truth. The Globalists are in charge of the European Nations,and damn near control OUR nation,and they determine what is truth and what is fiction depending on political dictates. There is no such thing as absolute truth these days. Truth is conditional depending on the politics involved.
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #141 on: April 16, 2019, 06:22:55 pm »
Just read this from CBS News via MSN:

A brave chaplain and a human chain saved holy relics from Notre Dame

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-brave-chaplain-and-a-human-chain-saved-holy-relics-from-notre-dame/ar-BBVZLyJ?ocid=spartandhp


By the way, Father Fournier had previously served in Afghanistan.

These guys are heroes.

Good for them! Those guys are international heroes of the west for saving those historic items so future generations can see them.

I hope this does't cost them their careers,or maybe even their lives.
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #142 on: April 16, 2019, 06:26:14 pm »
It may not be rebuilt as  Catholic Church.  "Macron pledged to rebuild #NotreDame immediately 'in a way consistent with our modern diverse nation'."

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How the hell would that even be possible? It has ALWAYS been a Catholic Church. How could it be anything else after all these years?

Somebody please correct me if I am wrong,but doesn't the Catholic Church actually OWN the building and the grounds it is sitting on?
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #143 on: April 16, 2019, 06:29:26 pm »
Images from the BBC, before and after the fire....



Far more intact than it looked like there would be during the fire.

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Yes,but at this point no one knows how many of the stones that support it were cracked by the heat and the water. It's going to take a while to determine it's present condition.
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #144 on: April 16, 2019, 06:29:37 pm »
@mountaineer

Uhhh,I don't know who Ian Millhiser is or where he lives,but people who live in the area where I live have known about fire for a long,LONG time now.


It took "rootless progressives" to start "The Reformation" that ended the grip of terror  the Catholic Church held over all of Europe and the New World,too.
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* The catalyst for the Reformation was Martin Luther, an Augustinian Theologian and Monk. Progressivism didn't exist in his era.
* That so called "grip of terror" of the Catholic Church, was the nurturing of Greek and Roman
attitudes, behaviors, impulses and sentiments during the High Middle Ages till the Renaissance;
which were the bedrock of Western Civilization.
* Luther's 95 Theses were issued in 1517 when the New World did not exist, as the
Age of Exploration was only beginning.
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #145 on: April 16, 2019, 06:33:10 pm »
I thought the same thing.



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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #146 on: April 16, 2019, 06:46:03 pm »
I'm seeing two things that caused the fire:
1. It was arson
2. It was an accident.
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #147 on: April 16, 2019, 06:46:47 pm »
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* The catalyst for the Reformation was Martin Luther, an Augustinian Theologian and Monk. Progressivism didn't exist in his era.

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HorseHillary! Martin Luther WAS the "progressive" of his era. Being a progressive is a good thing or a bad thing,depending on the POV of the observer. Regardless,Martin Luther was a hero of the ages.


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* That so called "grip of terror" of the Catholic Church, was the nurturing of Greek and Roman
attitudes, behavior, impulses and sentiments during the High Middle Ages till the Renaissance;
which were the bedrock of Western Civilization.
* Luther's 95 Theses were issued in 1517 when the New World did not exist, as the
Age of Exploration was only beginning.

Blah,blah,dogmatic blah.

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Try the library. It's that stone building w/the history books inside!!!

No history book written by a priest is anything but Catholic propaganda.

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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #148 on: April 16, 2019, 07:07:19 pm »
Does the little weenie get to decide how the church is rebuilt? Does the Catholic Church have any say? Serious question.
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The land may belong to the City but the Cathedral is controlled
by the Archdiocese of Paris headed by Michel Cardinal Aupetit,
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #149 on: April 16, 2019, 07:16:18 pm »
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The land may belong to the City but the Cathedral is controlled
by the Archdiocese of Paris headed by Michel Cardinal Aupetit,
who is the decider.

As long as they don't rebuild the church featuring Darth Vader gargoyles over the central portal, as does our National Cathedral.