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Apparently breaking story, Notre Dame cathedral is on fire.  22222frying pan

Breaking but it looks bad,

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6925015/Fire-breaks-historic-Notre-Dame-cathedral-Paris.html

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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2019, 01:25:31 PM »
I’ve been there on my trip to Paris. Beautiful cathedral. Loved the gargoyles
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2019, 01:41:26 PM »
I’ve been there on my trip to Paris. Beautiful cathedral. Loved the gargoyles

Same here. What a tragedy.

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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2019, 01:44:39 PM »
Same here. What a tragedy.

@skeeter I know. I was just watching the BBC link. They are speculating it might have been arson. It’s just speculation so I am taking this with a grain of salt.

As of now there is only one fire truck there, they said.
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2019, 01:49:24 PM »
@skeeter I know. I was just watching the BBC link. They are speculating it might have been arson. It’s just speculation so I am taking this with a grain of salt.

As of now there is only one fire truck there, they said.

ABC says they suspect the fire may have started in an area where there’s renovation work going on but there has been news over the past few weeks of old churches in France being intentionally torched.

Anyone wanting accurate news should steer well clear of ABC.
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2019, 01:55:41 PM »
Just devastating.

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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2019, 01:59:14 PM »
Islam is a Religion of Peace..

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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2019, 01:59:51 PM »
We just expect everything to last forever.  **nononono*
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... The cause was not immediately clear, but officials say that it could be linked to renovation work. ...

Last year, the Catholic Church in France launched an  urgent appeal for funds to save the cathedral, which was starting to crumble. ...

The Notre-Dame cathedral, which is visited by millions of people every year, is undergoing renovations after cracks began to appear in the stone, sparking fears the structure could become unstable.
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2019, 02:03:20 PM »
Probably (I hope) not related, but fyi:
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Catholic Churches Are Being Desecrated Across France—and Officials Don’t Know Why
By Brendan Cole On 3/21/19 at 9:04 AM EDT

France has seen a spate of attacks against Catholic churches since the start of the year, vandalism that has included arson and desecration.

Vandals have smashed statues, knocked down tabernacles, scattered or destroyed the Eucharist and torn down crosses, sparking fears of a rise in anti-Catholic sentiment in the country.

Last Sunday, the historic Church of St. Sulpice in Paris was set on fire just after midday mass on Sunday,  Le Parisien reported, although no one was injured. Police are still investigating the attack, which firefighters have confidently attributed to arson. ...
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2019, 02:07:23 PM »
Breaking News Notre Dame cathedral’s roof and central spire have collapsed

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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2019, 02:07:40 PM »
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... The famous Notre Dame cathedral in Paris is on fire, with one worker claiming that the blaze was deliberately set.

The roof of the historic building has completely collapsed.

“The cause is not yet clear, but officials say it could be linked to renovation work,” reports the BBC.

However, TIME columnist Christopher J. Hale tweeted, “A Jesuit friend in Paris who works in #NotreDame told me cathedral staff said the fire was intentionally set.”  ... Hale deleted the tweet within minutes after it attracted attention. ...
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2019, 02:14:35 PM »
I suspect that everyone who's visited Paris has been to the cathedral. It's just too magnificent not to see it.
I think I've been there 3 or 4 times.
 Watching the video of the spire collapsing reminded me a bit of watching the World Trade Center go down. Just stunning.
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2019, 02:21:19 PM »
@Freya

Been there twice.  When one walks in and looks up, the ceiling appears to be in heaven; it is way up there.  No water hose could get that high.  The world famous organ is likely gone.  Will be interesting to see who started this fire.  I am reading other Catholic churches in France have been burned in the recent past.
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2019, 02:29:12 PM »
This is horrific.  The cathedral (or the ruin) is surrounded by water.  Was there really no fire mitigation plan?

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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2019, 02:30:57 PM »
Islam is a Religion of Peace..

It could be the tipping point ... that convinces the French to adopt shariah.

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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2019, 02:31:17 PM »
@Victoria33 I went to Paris for my 40th birthday. Spent half a day walking around Notre Dame and climbing up to see the gargoyles.  I didn’t see the hunchback but I did think of the movie.

This is heartbreaking. I hope some of the religious icons can be saved.
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2019, 02:35:52 PM »
Islam is a Religion of Peace..
That's one possibility (see my story above about the spate of arson and vandalism at Catholic churches in France)*. Or it may have been accidental, relating to renovations. Considering the violent turn of the yellow vest protests, I wouldn't entirely rule out the leftist fringe of that movement (though that may be very unlikely).

*Also this:
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Anger as France sees 10 Catholic churches attacked in ONE week - 'God will forgive, NOT ME
A SEVEN day spree of vandalism has seen Catholic churches targeted across France sparking fears of a fresh wave of anti-Christian sentiment in the country, including one church being defiled with human EXCREMENT.
By Joe Gamp

At least 10 incidents of vandalism and desecration of Catholic churches have been reported across the Channel since the beginning of February. French Roman-Catholic newspaper La Croix International reported how the attacks on churches took place across France. Senseless acts included the desecration of altars, the defacing of Christ on the cross and in an extreme case, human excrement being spread across the walls of a holy place of worship. ...

The fresh wave of attacks come two years a campaign of Christian persecution against Catholic churches across France and Belgium in 2016.

The incidents were said to be carried out by the Islamic State (IS).

One of the most gruesome attacks included the murder of Fr. Jacques Hamel, who was killed by jihadists while holding Mass at a church in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray in Normandy.
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« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2019, 02:37:00 PM »
This is horrific.  The cathedral (or the ruin) is surrounded by water.  Was there really no fire mitigation plan?
Someone with firefighting expertise has a lengthy thread on Twitter on that subject.
https://twitter.com/GreggFavre/status/1117847726786371585
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2019, 02:43:18 PM »
France24 reporting the fire started just five minutes after the cathedral was closed for the day.
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« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2019, 02:47:00 PM »
Heart-breaking. 
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2019, 02:49:04 PM »
CBS internet just reported the walls are on fire now, they are trying to salvage the art inside.

It looked bad , I had to turn the live report on tv off. So dang sad,
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2019, 02:57:30 PM »
CBS internet tv also said a lot of pilgrims come to the church for Holy Week
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Re: Fire breaks out in historic Notre Dame cathedral in Paris- Breaking
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2019, 02:59:21 PM »
Someone with firefighting expertise has a lengthy thread on Twitter on that subject.
https://twitter.com/GreggFavre/status/1117847726786371585

I keep thinking about how St Paul's Cathedral was miraculously saved during The Blitz.


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