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Re: Pete Buttigieg officially announces 2020 presidential bid
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2019, 02:43:53 PM »
Pete "All Lives matter" Buttigieg demoted a black police chief. That's a really bad optic.
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Re: Pete Buttigieg officially announces 2020 presidential bid
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2019, 05:46:58 PM »
@Victoria33 is right -  Buttigieg has the potential to be a very formidable candidate.   His views are progressive, but his tone is moderate and his message inclusive.   He is in stark contrast to the rest of the announced Dem candidates, who are cartoons all.   He is already polling third in New Hampshire and Iowa,  behind only the two old guys.
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Re: Pete Buttigieg officially announces 2020 presidential bid
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2019, 06:16:06 PM »
@Victoria33 is right -  Buttigieg has the potential to be a very formidable candidate.   His views are progressive, but his tone is moderate and his message inclusive.   He is in stark contrast to the rest of the announced Dem candidates, who are cartoons all.   He is already polling third in New Hampshire and Iowa,  behind only the two old guys.
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Re: Pete Buttigieg officially announces 2020 presidential bid
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2019, 08:28:15 PM »
Think it's possible that Buttgigger could catch fire and be in the top tier of the pack, possibly even stealing votes from Biden and Bernie.
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Re: Pete Buttigieg officially announces 2020 presidential bid
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2019, 08:28:37 PM »
I would not vote for ANY openly homosexual politician, Republican or otherwise. Male or female, makes no difference.

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Re: Pete Buttigieg officially announces 2020 presidential bid
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2019, 08:35:16 PM »
Mayor Pete does not get to first base.  American courts may well debase the act of marriage, and recognize the LGBQT community as a discriminated entity, but the vast majority of American voters will not elect someone from those ranks to be POTUS.  Mayor of a small city is one thing, POTUS is another.  Not going to happen in my lifetime, you can count on it.

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Re: Pete Buttigieg officially announces 2020 presidential bid
« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2019, 11:44:53 PM »
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You said, "I hate mentioning divisive things but you actually force others into it by being derisive of the president."

This post is about Pete B and his accomplishments - how those could cause him to move up in the Democrat poll of candidates, and it compares his qualities with Trump in that Trump couldn't dump on him about various subjects where Pete has more credibility.  These are facts, just facts.  My opinion of Trump is not here.

Some more facts, North Korea has not fired off missiles in a year.  Again, thank Trump's predecessors for that.  That's talking about nuclear war. If you want to say Pete Buttigieg's accomplishments are bigger than that. Have at it.


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Experts Blame Obama for North Korea's New Nukes


Usually, smart political observers ignore opposing presidential candidates clamoring to blame the sitting president for an international crisis. This time, however, it's not mere partisanship.
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North Korea: How Obama, Bush, Clinton dealt with the rogue nation
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Coming in and salvaging the Iraq war, which spiraled out of control producing terrorists like we could not imagine.

Iran Nuke Deal is another thing.

But Pete's accomplishments in speaking 5 languages or playing piano are greater accomplishments. Got it.  A bigger accomplishment than giving blacks and all time low rate of unemployment is another one.

And the guy is an abortion nut, probably backing up the Democrats late term abortion forays, some say even infanticide. Got it.

You hate Trump so much, you want to be blind to the truth.  Well, he didn't put Christians in a lurch like ya'll's Texas governor and that is pretty easy to find as true with any research.

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Re: Pete Buttigieg officially announces 2020 presidential bid
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2019, 11:56:24 PM »
@Victoria33  is not expressing hatred of Trump.  She is pointing out that Pete Buttgeig is a rival to be taken seriously.   He is expressing a unique perspective, at least so far, in this race -  he is speaking of reconciliation, and the bridging of differences, in the context of shared values.   I feel that if I were to speak to him,  he'd listen to me.   Not that I'd persuade him- no doubt he's a progressive and a partisan - but there could be a dialogue.   Not like a hardcase like Kamala Harris.    She wants to kill me and my kind.    She's a tribalist,  same as Trump.  Buttigieg will catch more flies with honey.   And that is why he is the Dem candidates that some of us recognize may pose the biggest threat to Trump 
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Re: Pete Buttigieg officially announces 2020 presidential bid
« Reply #33 on: April 16, 2019, 12:01:43 AM »
He has done nothing, he's running as a homosexual; as an oppressed minority. He hasn't prevented potential nuclear war like Trump has, he hasn't stopped the persecution of Christians like Trump has, in general statements. The guy is in an infertile relationship, can't produce babies but other abortion nuts will talk him up.

JH probably doesn't like Trump because he's big with Evangelicals whom he apparently despises.

Compared to mayors, Columbia South Carolina, Peoria Illinois, Tyler Texas... I doubt if he has distinguished himself.

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« Reply #34 on: April 16, 2019, 12:09:27 AM »
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"I think there's a feeling here that it's disingenuous to pretend that one person had solely to do with any of the progress made here in South Bend," Critchlow said. "I think there's been literally decades of public servants that have gotten us to where we are today."

And it's still far from a complete turnaround. More than a quarter of the population still lives at or below the poverty line, compared to the national average of around 14 percent.

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/14/712412977/pete-buttigieg-helped-transform-south-bend-as-mayor-but-some-feel-left-out

And Bernie has cracked open a lead in the polls for the Dems.

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Re: Pete Buttigieg officially announces 2020 presidential bid
« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2019, 02:25:30 AM »
I would not vote for ANY openly homosexual politician, Republican or otherwise. Male or female, makes no difference.

Won't be gettin' any love from me!
Same here. I get the distinct impression they'd be representing (first, last, always, and disproportionately) that 1-2% at the expense of everyone else.
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Re: Pete Buttigieg officially announces 2020 presidential bid
« Reply #36 on: April 16, 2019, 10:24:22 AM »
@Fishrman said, "would not vote for ANY openly homosexual politician, Republican or otherwise. Male or female, makes no difference.  Won't be gettin' any love from me!
@Smokin Joe said, "Same here. I get the distinct impression they'd be representing (first, last, always, and disproportionately) that 1-2% at the expense of everyone else.
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Certainly/hopefully none here would vote for Pete B.  He would base his govn./our govn. in these United States on homosexuals' wants/what he thinks they need.  He would do this for all minorities in order to make every minority "feel good".  The facts below add to an understanding of how smart he is.  Smarts matter. 

One can estimate IQ based on years of behavior.  When I did evaluations for Social Security Disability payments, whether they got it or not, I was required to estimate the person's intelligence before the disability happened.  I estimated IQ based on their previous jobs and their extra curricular activities.  (I also tested them then to get a valid IQ number at that present time.)  Pete B's accomplishments tell me he is extremely bright.  The fact he knows so many languages and plays piano to the extent he can solo with a symphony orchestra, are facts that add to his intelligence score.  That is why it is important to know these facts to help determine what his abilities are.

He is definitely smarter than Trump.  Pete's knowledge of the English language, his delivery of words, would hurt Trump in a debate. Pete B would be/likely is now, up on every aspect of federal government. 

Saw on TV today, Tuesday, Pete said the Democrat party can't revolve around Trump's personality.  He said Democrats need to call out Trump then quickly move on to their message.  About getting blacks on their side, he said, "We have our work cut out for us."   

I saw yesterday, Pete is third now behind Biden/Sanders.  Will he pass them?
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Re: Pete Buttigieg officially announces 2020 presidential bid
« Reply #37 on: April 16, 2019, 12:20:06 PM »

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« Reply #38 on: April 16, 2019, 12:24:01 PM »
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Gay Is the New Black: The Buttigieg Candidacy
By D. C. McAllister January 24, 2019

We need to talk about Pete Buttigieg and why his candidacy for president in the age of identity politics is negatively disruptive — though this certainly doesn’t mean he shouldn’t run. He’s the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, and the first openly gay candidate to run for president. It’s not a comfortable discussion. I’ll be called a homophobe for having it. But it’s necessary, so let’s dive right in.

The politics of the Democratic Party is driven by an ideology that pits one group against another. Blacks against whites. Gays against straights. Women against men. Political agendas and views are often put in that frame. We saw the consequences of this during Barack Obama’s reign as the first black president. If you criticized him, you were called a racist. Almost all statements and judgments regarding his policies and performance were filtered through the lens of identity politics.

This was true with the candidacy of Hillary Clinton as well. Democrats tried to put any criticism of her agenda in that context. Women who opposed her were called traitors to their sex. Men who refused to vote for her were inevitably called misogynists who didn’t want a female president. ...

My criticism here is not of Buttigieg or his sexual orientation. I’m not opposed to having a gay president — his sex life doesn’t matter to me. His policies do. When I say that the last thing our country needs in an age of identity politics is a president whose stand-out characteristic as generated by the media is that he’s gay, I’m focusing on a cultural problem, not a problem with the candidate.  ...
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Re: Pete Buttigieg officially announces 2020 presidential bid
« Reply #39 on: April 16, 2019, 12:57:43 PM »
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Re: Pete Buttigieg officially announces 2020 presidential bid
« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2019, 01:12:02 PM »
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I am constantly amazed by conservatives and libertarians who get tingles down their legs when a Democrat is well spoken even though he stands for everything contrary to principles of liberty. We live in a shallow age and we will drown in puddles.
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This is not what I (and, I believe, @Victoria33) are saying.    I know full well Buttigieg is progressive.   But he frames himself in a context of inclusiveness and shared values - unlike any of the other Dem candidates.   That makes him a potentially formidable opponent,  because Trump is his polar opposite.   Trump is as enraptured with identity politics and the tribal message of "us vs. them" as most of the Dems are.   
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Re: Pete Buttigieg officially announces 2020 presidential bid
« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2019, 01:34:58 PM »
This is not what I (and, I believe, @Victoria33) are saying.    I know full well Buttigieg is progressive.   But he frames himself in a context of inclusiveness and shared values - unlike any of the other Dem candidates.   That makes him a potentially formidable opponent,  because Trump is his polar opposite.   Trump is as enraptured with identity politics and the tribal message of "us vs. them" as most of the Dems are.
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Re: Pete Buttigieg officially announces 2020 presidential bid
« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2019, 02:05:28 PM »
On an objective basis, Buttigieg presents a much more intelligent, less radical persona than any of the other Dem candidates.

For that reason, I think he has a chance to win the Dem nomination.
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« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2019, 02:25:47 PM »
On an objective basis, Buttigieg presents a much more intelligent, less radical persona than any of the other Dem candidates.

For that reason, I think he has a chance to win the Dem nomination.

Yes, in a way he is less radical, but he announced that he and his husband want to have a baby.  I'm not so sure how that will play out, though it may be seen as political correct and an "aw" moment.
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Re: Pete Buttigieg officially announces 2020 presidential bid
« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2019, 02:45:00 PM »
Andrew Wilkow is brilliantly decimating Buttigieg now on his show. He's not in the least impressed by the small town mayor and his lack of knowledge of and reverence for the Constitution.
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« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2019, 03:24:26 PM »
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« Reply #46 on: April 16, 2019, 03:49:43 PM »
Yes, in a way he is less radical, but he announced that he and his husband want to have a baby.  I'm not so sure how that will play out, though it may be seen as political correct and an "aw" moment.

It all depends on how socially radical the Dem base (those voting in the primaries) is relative to the rest of the population.

Under a certain age, homosexuality is no big deal.  They've been successfully brainwashed.  So that might not matter.

I see him as another token candidate, BUT he is certainly articulate and intelligent, and a certain person we all know, but are not permitted to criticize, continues with his word salad gobbledygook.

If they are looking for a contrast in that to him, Pete will do well.  If they are looking for a moral contrast, well, there isn't much of one.

It appears he will not be going down the radical socialist road, so he may have that in his favor too.

Again, it all depends on the Dem primary voters.  I think he has a chance to beat the crazies.

And in truth, I don't think any of the leftist nutcases have a chance to beat the incumbent.  Unless he is primaried, we're stuck for another four years.
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Re: Pete Buttigieg officially announces 2020 presidential bid
« Reply #47 on: April 16, 2019, 04:23:40 PM »
I see him as another token candidate, BUT he is certainly articulate and intelligent
Just like BHO in every respect, then.
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« Reply #48 on: April 16, 2019, 04:26:10 PM »
Just like BHO in every respect, then.

Yes, Buttigieg is every bit as anti-American as Bammy.
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« Reply #49 on: April 16, 2019, 04:33:01 PM »
Yes, Buttigieg is every bit as anti-American as Bammy.
Exactly. The same political point of view - including disdain for the Constitution - as well as being a bright, articulate member of a persecuted minority  (in Pete's case, homosexuals).
I have decided to officially and formally not apologize. I'm not sorry at all, even slightly.

    Indeed, I especially want to convey my absence of remorse to anyone who was offended by what I said. If you are the sort of person who gets twisted into knots when someone articulates a point of view that differs from your own, then you are exactly the sort of person who should never receive an apology for a differing point of view — if I were offering one, which, again, I'm not.


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