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It’s Trump vs. Trump as immigration divides White House
« on: April 13, 2019, 07:27:29 PM »
It’s Trump vs. Trump as immigration divides White House
The president is weighing — and reflecting — different opinions among his top advisers, including Stephen Miller and his son-in-law Jared Kushner.

By ELIANA JOHNSON, NANCY COOK and ANITA KUMAR 04/10/2019 07:43 PM EDT Updated 04/10/2019 11:26 PM EDT

President Donald Trump is in a fight over immigration — with himself.
Trump denied on Tuesday that he is “cleaning house” at the Department of Homeland Security. But on Wednesday, the White House was eyeing a replacement for a senior DHS official whose job congressional Republicans are trying to save.

The president has also said he has no plans to renew the administration’s highly controversial migrant child separation policy — even as officials throughout the administration weigh a plan to make arrested border-crossers choose whether to “voluntarily” separate from their kids.
And while Trump recently told senior aides that White House adviser Stephen Miller is his unofficial immigration czar, he told reporters on Wednesday that his son-in-law Jared Kushner would be out with an “exciting” immigration plan “soon.”
As the president faces blowback from his slow-motion decapitation of the Department of Homeland Security, Trump is presenting two public faces on immigration. He is offering rhetoric that undersells the dramatic moves underway in his administration to curb illegal immigration and deter asylum seekers from entering the country. And he is toggling between Kushner, who has spent months fashioning an immigration package that can attract bipartisan support and appease the business community, and Miller, who as a Senate aide was notorious for killing legislation like that...………

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/10/trump-immigration-1267468
While there are many areas over which the states and the federal government share responsibility, immigration is not one of them.

The sanctuary policies implemented by cities such as Seattle seek to nullify federal immigration law and obstruct its enforcement.

Sanctuary states and cities want to “frustrate effectuation” of federal enforcement of our immigration laws.

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/sanctuary-cities-thats-constitutional-hell-no

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Re: It’s Trump vs. Trump as immigration divides White House
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2019, 07:35:11 PM »
More like Trump v. Kushner.  It's a scary thought to think that Kushner is the one coming up with an immigration plan.

His reliance on Kushner and Ivanka is frightening.  Neither should be in the White House and having his son-in-law as his Sr. advisor is a definite conflict of interest.
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Re: It’s Trump vs. Trump as immigration divides White House
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2019, 07:46:59 PM »
More like Trump v. Kushner.  It's a scary thought to think that Kushner is the one coming up with an immigration plan.

His reliance on Kushner and Ivanka is frightening.  Neither should be in the White House and having his son-in-law as his Sr. advisor is a definite conflict of interest.


Not right.  And very suspicious that Kushner is working to increase legal migration when our country is overflowing with low wage earning illegal immigrants.
While there are many areas over which the states and the federal government share responsibility, immigration is not one of them.

The sanctuary policies implemented by cities such as Seattle seek to nullify federal immigration law and obstruct its enforcement.

Sanctuary states and cities want to “frustrate effectuation” of federal enforcement of our immigration laws.

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/sanctuary-cities-thats-constitutional-hell-no

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Re: It’s Trump vs. Trump as immigration divides White House
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2019, 07:52:46 PM »
I posted this before and it has been ignored.  Why doesn't he just use his granted powers and STOP this NOW!!
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It seems pretty clear that Trump has the authority (if he ever should choose to use it) to simply halt ALL immigration.

In the currently in force immigration act of Congress (i.e., the 1952 McCarran Walter Immigration and Naturalization Act), Section 212(f) clearly states:

f. Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

https://www.uscis.gov/legal-resources/immigration-and-nationality-act

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Re: It’s Trump vs. Trump as immigration divides White House
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2019, 07:59:33 PM »
I agree.  He just doesn't want to. 
While there are many areas over which the states and the federal government share responsibility, immigration is not one of them.

The sanctuary policies implemented by cities such as Seattle seek to nullify federal immigration law and obstruct its enforcement.

Sanctuary states and cities want to “frustrate effectuation” of federal enforcement of our immigration laws.

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/sanctuary-cities-thats-constitutional-hell-no

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Re: It’s Trump vs. Trump as immigration divides White House
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2019, 08:24:42 PM »
I posted this before and it has been ignored.  Why doesn't he just use his granted powers and STOP this NOW!!
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f. Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.[/b]
https://www.uscis.gov/legal-resources/immigration-and-nationality-act
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Trump could stop the ones going to the port of entry but not the illegal ones crossing the river and countryside and coming into our country.  Border agents still have to find them/arrest them/etc..which seems to include whole families now - not the occasional single person.
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Re: It’s Trump vs. Trump as immigration divides White House
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2019, 08:26:13 PM »
   No use to lance that boil now, it worked so well in 2016.   

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Re: It’s Trump vs. Trump as immigration divides White House
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2019, 08:33:05 PM »
I posted this before and it has been ignored.  Why doesn't he just use his granted powers and STOP this NOW!!
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It seems pretty clear that Trump has the authority (if he ever should choose to use it) to simply halt ALL immigration.

In the currently in force immigration act of Congress (i.e., the 1952 McCarran Walter Immigration and Naturalization Act), Section 212(f) clearly states:

f. Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

https://www.uscis.gov/legal-resources/immigration-and-nationality-act

Yes you are absolutely correct. I don't think Trump ever intended to build a wall, nor was it his intent to secure the border. Obviously he has done neither.  He could have stopped this mess a long time ago, and I think many of us agree on that. 

Then there are those that still think he's a super hero or something like that.
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Re: It’s Trump vs. Trump as immigration divides White House
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2019, 08:37:47 PM »
I posted this before and it has been ignored.  Why doesn't he just use his granted powers and STOP this NOW!!
My guess is he thinks the consequences of closing the border is worse than yanking your chain.  Saying he's already building the Wall, Mexico is paying for it through Trump's rebranded NAFTA clone USMCA, the immigration problem suddenly became a National Emergency after the GOP lost the House, and after 2 years of President Trump and GOP control of Congress, the fake media has covered up that the problem is actually much worse
...somehow all of this has worked well for Trump. 
His popularity has soared as high a majority support in some polls recently.

For me it's a flowchart of failure, as is his other signature campaign promises like...
Repeal and Replace,
Lock Up Crooked Hitlery,
Drain the Swamp,
Eliminate the Federal Debt in 8 Years,
Great Trade Deals ("Trans-Pacific Trade Party Is Raging on Without the U.S." - https://www.wsj.com/articles/trans-pacific-trade-party-is-raging-on-without-the-u-s-11555164181
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The 11-member deal, renamed the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership, started at the end of 2018.
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and Restoring American Prominence. 

Somehow caving on everything is seen as strength, if it is denied on Twitter, and backed by boogy-men like Democrats, Fake News, and the Deep State.  As long as detractors can be condemned through association to the boogy-men, there is little concern over detrimental facts.

The short answer is "Why give up the issue, when it can be milked for so much more."     
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Re: It’s Trump vs. Trump as immigration divides White House
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2019, 08:44:33 PM »
@EdJames

Trump could stop the ones going to the port of entry but not the illegal ones crossing the river and countryside and coming into our country.  Border agents still have to find them/arrest them/etc..which seems to include whole families now - not the occasional single person.

Close the ports of entry.  The border patrol agents should be advised that they will no longer be detaining, or processing, but turning back and if necessary at gun point.  Our military should also be along the border, not to detain but to stop and turn back. All allowed to use fire power if necessary. 

One thing Trump can do is to announce/call various leaders and tell them that the U.S. is no longer accepting ANY immigration or asylum.  Those coming across will be asked to turn around.  Those who don't will be fired upon. As terrible as it seems, one or two incidents and word will get back that the U.S. has an armed border and zero tolerance for illegal crossings. 
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Re: It’s Trump vs. Trump as immigration divides White House
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2019, 09:06:07 PM »
I posted this before and it has been ignored.  Why doesn't he just use his granted powers and STOP this NOW!!
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It seems pretty clear that Trump has the authority (if he ever should choose to use it) to simply halt ALL immigration.

In the currently in force immigration act of Congress (i.e., the 1952 McCarran Walter Immigration and Naturalization Act), Section 212(f) clearly states:

f. Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

https://www.uscis.gov/legal-resources/immigration-and-nationality-act

That's only a law passed by Congress and (I assume) signed by a POTUS, so clearly any such act can be overruled by a single federal judge who disagrees.
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Re: It’s Trump vs. Trump as immigration divides White House
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2019, 09:06:26 PM »
@EdJames

Trump could stop the ones going to the port of entry but not the illegal ones crossing the river and countryside and coming into our country.  Border agents still have to find them/arrest them/etc..which seems to include whole families now - not the occasional single person.

What's even worse is they are recycling children.  Its the practice of using children to gain entry.  Then they are sending them back to be used by someone else.


https://newspunch.com/human-traffickers-recycling-imgrant-children-border/
« Last Edit: April 13, 2019, 09:08:11 PM by Chosen Daughter »
While there are many areas over which the states and the federal government share responsibility, immigration is not one of them.

The sanctuary policies implemented by cities such as Seattle seek to nullify federal immigration law and obstruct its enforcement.

Sanctuary states and cities want to “frustrate effectuation” of federal enforcement of our immigration laws.

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/sanctuary-cities-thats-constitutional-hell-no

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Re: It’s Trump vs. Trump as immigration divides White House
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2019, 10:53:07 PM »
It’s Trump vs. Trump as immigration divides White House
The president is weighing — and reflecting — different opinions among his top advisers, including Stephen Miller and his son-in-law Jared Kushner.

By ELIANA JOHNSON, NANCY COOK and ANITA KUMAR 04/10/2019 07:43 PM EDT Updated 04/10/2019 11:26 PM EDT

President Donald Trump is in a fight over immigration — with himself.
Trump denied on Tuesday that he is “cleaning house” at the Department of Homeland Security. But on Wednesday, the White House was eyeing a replacement for a senior DHS official whose job congressional Republicans are trying to save.

The president has also said he has no plans to renew the administration’s highly controversial migrant child separation policy — even as officials throughout the administration weigh a plan to make arrested border-crossers choose whether to “voluntarily” separate from their kids.
And while Trump recently told senior aides that White House adviser Stephen Miller is his unofficial immigration czar, he told reporters on Wednesday that his son-in-law Jared Kushner would be out with an “exciting” immigration plan “soon.”
As the president faces blowback from his slow-motion decapitation of the Department of Homeland Security, Trump is presenting two public faces on immigration. He is offering rhetoric that undersells the dramatic moves underway in his administration to curb illegal immigration and deter asylum seekers from entering the country. And he is toggling between Kushner, who has spent months fashioning an immigration package that can attract bipartisan support and appease the business community, and Miller, who as a Senate aide was notorious for killing legislation like that...………

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/10/trump-immigration-1267468
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Re: It’s Trump vs. Trump as immigration divides White House
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2019, 11:44:36 PM »
That's only a law passed by Congress and (I assume) signed by a POTUS, so clearly any such act can be overruled by a single federal judge who disagrees.

And mere Constitutional provisions can be interpreted any way they damned well feel like.  A single Federal Judge can twist the Constitution just as crookedly as a Statute.
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Re: It’s Trump vs. Trump as immigration divides White House
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2019, 02:35:13 AM »
And mere Constitutional provisions can be interpreted any way they damned well feel like.  A single Federal Judge can twist the Constitution just as crookedly as a Statute.


Trump should use everything he can.  If it is stopped in court hopefully the "new" Supreme Court will rule Constitutionally. 
While there are many areas over which the states and the federal government share responsibility, immigration is not one of them.

The sanctuary policies implemented by cities such as Seattle seek to nullify federal immigration law and obstruct its enforcement.

Sanctuary states and cities want to “frustrate effectuation” of federal enforcement of our immigration laws.

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/sanctuary-cities-thats-constitutional-hell-no

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Re: It’s Trump vs. Trump as immigration divides White House
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2019, 08:54:38 AM »
@EdJames

Trump could stop the ones going to the port of entry but not the illegal ones crossing the river and countryside and coming into our country.  Border agents still have to find them/arrest them/etc..which seems to include whole families now - not the occasional single person.

Well, every little bit helps!

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Re: It’s Trump vs. Trump as immigration divides White House
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2019, 08:56:48 AM »
Close the ports of entry.  The border patrol agents should be advised that they will no longer be detaining, or processing, but turning back and if necessary at gun point.  Our military should also be along the border, not to detain but to stop and turn back. All allowed to use fire power if necessary. 

One thing Trump can do is to announce/call various leaders and tell them that the U.S. is no longer accepting ANY immigration or asylum.  Those coming across will be asked to turn around.  Those who don't will be fired upon. As terrible as it seems, one or two incidents and word will get back that the U.S. has an armed border and zero tolerance for illegal crossings.

Exactly, and there isn't anything wrong with that.  Whenever we would learn about countries that take border security seriously, most sane people would always acknowledge that that is certainly their right!

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Re: It’s Trump vs. Trump as immigration divides White House
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2019, 08:59:34 AM »
That's only a law passed by Congress and (I assume) signed by a POTUS, so clearly any such act can be overruled by a single federal judge who disagrees.

Well maybe now is the time to force this judicial tyranny back into the bottle.  (And yes, without looking it up, I would have to assume that Truman signed the bill.)


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