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What We Get Wrong About Death, According To End-Of-Life Workers
« on: December 31, 2025, 05:54:52 pm »
I saw this. It was from the Huffpost and I thought; well this will be bullshit.  Having watched my Mother, my brother and my Mother in law pass away after long illnesses, I find much of it true and helpful for the living.

I'm not going to except it.  It meanders at the start.  But later it hits home.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/articles/wrong-death-according-end-life-120020606.html

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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2025, 06:49:53 pm »
That was a worthwhile read. Thanks.

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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2025, 08:54:24 pm »
Informatve and sobering
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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2025, 09:08:42 pm »
I saw this. It was from the Huffpost and I thought; well this will be bullshit.  Having watched my Mother, my brother and my Mother in law pass away after long illnesses, I find much of it true and helpful for the living.

I'm not going to except it.  It meanders at the start.  But later it hits home.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/articles/wrong-death-according-end-life-120020606.html



Very good article and spot on.  In the last seven years I’ve had four close family members die, and all of the article rings true. 
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Re: What We Get Wrong About Death, According To End-Of-Life Workers
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2025, 10:26:14 pm »
Yes, excellent article.  The Hospice team who took care of my Dad and then my Mom a year later were absolutely God-sent. They were amazing.

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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2025, 10:32:38 pm »
Thanks for the sticky.  Not for me but for the content.  Bless you.  I hope others will read this. 
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« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2025, 10:33:04 pm »
No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2025, 10:40:17 pm »
Very good article and spot on.  In the last seven years I’ve had four close family members die, and all of the article rings true.

My Mom died at home. There was a hospice nurse with her who came and gathered us (everyone was there) and said that we should go to her room.

She passed within minutes.

The hospice nurse knew.

I'm afraid to read the article.
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« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2025, 10:54:19 pm »
My Mom died at home. There was a hospice nurse with her who came and gathered us (everyone was there) and said that we should go to her room.

She passed within minutes.

The hospice nurse knew.



Luis, That is how it went with my MIL. 

My brothers death was different. Much worse at the end.  Brain cancer. Lots of morphine to ease the pain.
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« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2026, 09:01:35 am »
   For those Briefers that don't have 4 hours to read the Article, here's a 7-minute Video.

Signs that are present when someone is Dying


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNl0J4grS_g

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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2026, 09:06:02 am »
My Mom died at home. There was a hospice nurse with her who came and gathered us (everyone was there) and said that we should go to her room.

She passed within minutes.

The hospice nurse knew.

I'm afraid to read the article.

You need to read it my friend! It's good information. @Luis Gonzalez
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2026, 11:30:50 am »
You need to read it my friend! It's good information. @Luis Gonzalez

Read it.

Some things I never thought about. Mostly things I knew but didn't want to think about.

Turning 70 in a few months and the subject suddenly looms very large.
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« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2026, 11:32:45 am »
:raise hand:
Yeah. that!  pointing-up

When I turned thirty (to my surprise), it was one of those "Well, now what?" moments.
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Re: What We Get Wrong About Death, According To End-Of-Life Workers
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2026, 11:34:03 am »
My Mom died at home. There was a hospice nurse with her who came and gathered us (everyone was there) and said that we should go to her room.

She passed within minutes.

The hospice nurse knew.

I'm afraid to read the article.

Please don't be afraid to read the article.  It's worth reading.  It isn't so much about the moment of death, but about the days and hours leading up to the moment of death.  And it's not gruesome, either.
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« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2026, 11:35:36 am »
Read it.

Some things I never thought about. Mostly things I knew but didn't want to think about.

Turning 70 in a few months and the subject suddenly looms very large.

I'll turn 70 this month.  Now that I have more years behind me than left in front of me I see thing very differently.
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« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2026, 11:50:53 am »
I'll turn 70 this month.  Now that I have more years behind me than left in front of me I see thing very differently.

What have I become
My sweetest friend?
Everyone I know
Goes away in the end.

And you could have it all
My empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt.

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« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2026, 12:08:00 pm »
Read it.

Some things I never thought about. Mostly things I knew but didn't want to think about.

Turning 70 in a few months and the subject suddenly looms very large.
My parents are still alive. We're the same age, you and I, and I'm not used to hearing things like "I'm not sure I'm going to make my next one" (Dad talking about turning 95 in May).  Mom, who has suffered dearly the ignoble slings and arrows of poor circulation in her lower extremities, vacillating between giving up and going on, at 92.
My grandparents' were, after all, old, and like my great grandparents, not expected to live forever (at least on this side of the veil), and it was easier to accept that they had passed, but now we're getting down to the wire.
In my part of the family, I am the 'elder', with Mrs. Joe having passed a few years ago. (I still 'feel' her, a comforting presence in all our lives yet).
There are three of my generation surviving on both sides of the North Dakota family contingent.
In the clan I am known to as "Papa" I am it, with 4 'kids', eleven (surviving) grandkids, and about 15 great-grands (they don't hold still, it's hard to count, and there is almost always another on the way!)

While it is truly wonderful, I have long had the wisdom of my parents to fall back on in a pinch, and that light is fading. Dad talks openly about it, with no illusions about his health. Mom, despite the loss of her lower legs, is still in denial, and when they are gone, I'm at the top of the family food chain, and inevitably, barring accident or incident, in the 'on deck' spot.

It's a lot to ponder. I am at peace with The Lord, and met him when I had pneumonia back in '02 (the only night I ever spent in hospital). I'm not worried for me, and look forward to meeting My Lord and my wife when the time comes.

As former EMS I have seen people give up when, medically, they should have survived--and also fight to stay alive (successfully!) against all odds.
The spirit is definitely involved.
You do the best you possibly can (including praying silently) to fight for them, but they make the choice at some level to fight or let go. It's no tweak of fiction that you see so many incidents in movies and TV where the person giving care is saying "Stay with me...", even to someone mortally wounded.

(I also muse about the futility of giving CPR to pump the rest of the blood out of someone who has clearly exsanguinated, but that's another discussion, and it's Hollywood.)

At the same time, though it's funny how this sort of discussion is moving into the light with the Canadians implementing MAID, the induced friction against "boomers", class envy on the rise, and the howling about 'healthcare' (insurance) costs. I think someone wants to redistribute our 'wealth', even without realizing the greatest wealth we have to share comes from our love for our descendants and decades of experience and adapting to well over a half century of change. Well, that, and we know the scams being perpetrated, have the historical context to put them in, and the wisdom to reject their premises. We can pass that on, and those perpetrating them see us as an existential threat.
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« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2026, 12:09:23 pm »
Read it.

Some things I never thought about. Mostly things I knew but didn't want to think about.

Turning 70 in a few months and the subject suddenly looms very large.

I'm 77. I hear you!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2026, 12:11:48 pm »
Yeah. that!  pointing-up

When I turned thirty (to my surprise), it was one of those "Well, now what?" moments.

I should have died Feb. 23 1967 but never got a scratch. How that happened still mystifies me.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2026, 12:18:36 pm »
I should have died Feb. 23 1967 but never got a scratch. How that happened still mystifies me.
Believe it or not, I've had so many incidents like that, I only readily recall a few, and never bothered to note the date. Considering the various events, from motor vehicle accidents to falls rock climbing to riding motorcycles, to nearly 50 years on oil rigs, the damage was minimal (not even a broken bone), and the scars from stitches just become merit badges. God had truly been looking out for me.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2026, 12:24:14 pm »
Believe it or not, I've had so many incidents like that, I only readily recall a few, and never bothered to note the date. Considering the various events, from motor vehicle accidents to falls rock climbing to riding motorcycles, to nearly 50 years on oil rigs, the damage was minimal (not even a broken bone), and the scars from stitches just become merit badges. God had truly been looking out for me.

I've had many as well but that one, in Vietnam, is a standout. Only explainable by God's hand.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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« Reply #23 on: January 01, 2026, 12:26:18 pm »
Many of us are officially "Geezers".  I hung onto my pre-geezer years, but in 10 days I'll cross over to full geezer!.  Is there a secret Password, special cane tap, a hand shake or something to get into the TBR Club?
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« Reply #24 on: January 01, 2026, 12:56:49 pm »
Many of us are officially "Geezers".  I hung onto my pre-geezer years, but in 10 days I'll cross over to full geezer!.  Is there a secret Password, special cane tap, a hand shake or something to get into the TBR Club?
What's the line you have to cross to be full geezer? Just curious.
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« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2026, 01:29:15 pm »
What's the line you have to cross to be full geezer? Just curious.

70?  But YMMV!!
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« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2026, 01:34:22 pm »
I've twice come within a gnat's eyelash of drowning. My life didn't pass before my eyes, but the second time I wondered whether there would be a story in the newspaper and how upset my parents would be at my demise. Then I kicked free of the underwater branches trapping my feet and swam to the surface.  I've lived 40 or so years since the second incident (the first was even longer ago), and frequently think about it.
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« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2026, 01:43:24 pm »


 :raise hand:  I won't turn 70 till the end of this year -- I will be even more impressed if I make it to celebrate another birthday.
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« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2026, 01:52:01 pm »
:raise hand:  I won't turn 70 till the end of this year -- I will be even more impressed if I make it to celebrate another birthday.
Me neither. But there's a bunch of oilfield years in there, and 70 would be in 'people' years.  :laugh:
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« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2026, 02:28:18 pm »
I've twice come within a gnat's eyelash of drowning. My life didn't pass before my eyes, but the second time I wondered whether there would be a story in the newspaper and how upset my parents would be at my demise. Then I kicked free of the underwater branches trapping my feet and swam to the surface.  I've lived 40 or so years since the second incident (the first was even longer ago), and frequently think about it.
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I died once. Fell of a porch roof.  As I lay there, A vision of my mom hovered over me,  As plain as day she said; "Get up, rub some dirt on it and walk it off." 
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« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2026, 02:35:24 pm »
Many of us are officially "Geezers".  I hung onto my pre-geezer years, but in 10 days I'll cross over to full geezer!.  Is there a secret Password, special cane tap, a hand shake or something to get into the TBR Club?
Never go Full Geezer.

That is, unless there's senior citizen discount in it for you.

Good article, by the way. Not something we like to think about, but we do, anyway.
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Re: What We Get Wrong About Death, According To End-Of-Life Workers
« Reply #31 on: January 01, 2026, 04:39:13 pm »
I read the article.

For some, this may become the vehicle for the final journey:

The button to activate the process is INSIDE, and can be pressed only by "the traveler" once he/she has entered and closed the lid.

So far, only one person (a woman) has taken the ride (in Switzerland), and her departure is still a matter of controversy, even there...

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« Reply #32 on: January 01, 2026, 04:41:45 pm »
I highly recommend this movie.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMMAnO67RPw
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Re: What We Get Wrong About Death, According To End-Of-Life Workers
« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2026, 11:57:16 pm »
When you're dead but still looking out for your homies
You may find 'nobility' in a savage. But never forget that his first instinct is to kill you.
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
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