Trump gives Mexico 'one-year' warning for auto tariffs, border shutdown

[Chosen Daughter]

THe harsh reality is that someone is going to have to erect a substantial barrier, enforce it by force of arms, if necessary, and not be to limp wristed to use them. This country doesn't have that sort of resolve, from the top down, and if any of its citizens did display that level of resolve, they'd be the ones in Federal Prison while the illegals went scampering off into the hinterlands (on the US side).

one of the fundamental reasons for the Constitution and the creation of the United States was the mutual defense of the colonies which signed onto the accord. One of the Fundamental DUTIES of the Federal Government is the defense of the States from invasion. Neither is being done, in this case.
Now, it doesn't surprise me one damned bit that those lickspittles in Congress are comfortable with shirking their duties, they've done that for decades. Nor that the politically stacked courts are perfectly happy to invent "rights" for non citizens while they trample those of the people who are citizens of the US. Off and on, we even have a President who pays lit service to the Constitution.

The part I find amazing, considering how much breach of that compact is going on at the Federal Level, is that the States, and indeed, the people themselves put up with this.  Our ancestors would have tarred an feathered the lot, and thrown them in the Potomac by now.

This is a great post.  True post.

[edpc]

I didn't say HE divested.  His backers did.

Gotcha - I misunderstood.

[Cyber Liberty]

Gotcha - I misunderstood.

I re-read my post.  I was not clear.

[libertybele]

THe harsh reality is that someone is going to have to erect a substantial barrier, enforce it by force of arms, if necessary, and not be to limp wristed to use them. This country doesn't have that sort of resolve, from the top down, and if any of its citizens did display that level of resolve, they'd be the ones in Federal Prison while the illegals went scampering off into the hinterlands (on the US side).

one of the fundamental reasons for the Constitution and the creation of the United States was the mutual defense of the colonies which signed onto the accord. One of the Fundamental DUTIES of the Federal Government is the defense of the States from invasion. Neither is being done, in this case.
Now, it doesn't surprise me one damned bit that those lickspittles in Congress are comfortable with shirking their duties, they've done that for decades. Nor that the politically stacked courts are perfectly happy to invent "rights" for non citizens while they trample those of the people who are citizens of the US. Off and on, we even have a President who pays lit service to the Constitution.

The part I find amazing, considering how much breach of that compact is going on at the Federal Level, is that the States, and indeed, the people themselves put up with this.  Our ancestors would have tarred an feathered the lot, and thrown them in the Potomac by now.

I was hoping that there would be enough states/legislatures to call for a Convention of States.  That never happened.  Now with a more liberal legislature since the mid terms, I believe it would be much too risky and could very easily go the other way.

As for the people tolerating all the corruption in the govt' and what is happening at the border, unfortunately, there are too many bleeding heart liberals who don't believe that we have a problem at the border, nor that our country is in any sort of jeopardy.  Denial and apathy seems to continue to be the appetite of the day on this issue.

[edpc]

The harsh reality is that someone is going to have to erect a substantial barrier, enforce it by force of arms, if necessary, and not be to limp wristed to use them. This country doesn't have that sort of resolve, from the top down, and if any of its citizens did display that level of resolve, they'd be the ones in Federal Prison while the illegals went scampering off into the hinterlands (on the US side.)

Who needs that, when we have anti-climb? Besides, if you successfully clear it, you apparently earned your way in.


“If you want to climb that, it's pretty sharp up on top, too," said the president, according to CNN. "If you want to climb that then you deserve whatever you can get, but it’s very, very hard. It’s meant anti-climb. It’s called anti-climb, so it’s a great wall and… I think it looks fantastic — very see-through, so you’re able to see the other side, which is a very important element."

https://www.newsweek.com/president-trump-immigrants-who-scale-dangerous-sharp-edged-border-wall-you-1387962

[Chosen Daughter]

I was hoping that there would be enough states/legislatures to call for a Convention of States.  That never happened.  Now with a more liberal legislature since the mid terms, I believe it would be much too risky and could very easily go the other way.

As for the people tolerating all the corruption in the govt' and what is happening at the border, unfortunately, there are too many bleeding heart liberals who don't believe that we have a problem at the border, nor that our country is in any sort of jeopardy.  Denial and apathy seems to continue to be the appetite of the day on this issue.

I wonder if we could group the President in the bleeding heart liberal category?  Obviously the President has gotten little help in securing the border, but he hasn't pressure them too.  So I don't lay it all on him.   Declaring you are giving Mexico a year is like waving a white flag.  You and I know that one year at the rate of illegal entry is a gift to God knows how many caravans of thousand of immigrants.  A year to bring in drug.  A year of unrelenting human trafficking and border crime.  A year of unrestricted illegal crossing.

You cannot declare there is an emergency at the border and then give them a year to fix it.  We can't afford a year.  It just doesn't make sense.  But what does make sense is a President with no resolve to do what he promised.

[Chosen Daughter]

Presidente Obrador made it very clear his intentions about immigration before he was elected.  Why is Trump giving this liberal Socialist any room to squirm?  Trump should have taken the hard line with this guy from day one.  You don't give people like this a year to invade your country.

Mexican Presidential Candidate World’s Asylum Seekers Have A ‘Human Right’ To Migrate To US
1:45 PM 06/22/2018 | World

 
Mexican presidential candidate Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) said Tuesday that migrants from all over the world who decide it’s “a necessity” have a “human right” to migrate to the United States.
“Soon, very soon, after the victory of our movement, we will defend migrants all over the American continent and the migrants of the world who, by necessity, must abandon their towns to find life in the United States,” Lopez Obrador said during a rally in the Mexican city of Culiacán, eluniversal.com reports.


“It’s a human right we will defend,” he added.
https://www.dailycaller.com/2018/06/22/mexican-candidate-immigration-speech/

Day one of this guys Presidency should not have been congratulations.  It should have been we are going to squeeze you economically to assure our country's sovereign right to secure our border against illegal immigration (invasion).  He already had a year of inaction.  Now Trump thinks its hard line to give him another year?

[Smokin Joe]

I was hoping that there would be enough states/legislatures to call for a Convention of States.  That never happened.  Now with a more liberal legislature since the mid terms, I believe it would be much too risky and could very easily go the other way.

As for the people tolerating all the corruption in the govt' and what is happening at the border, unfortunately, there are too many bleeding heart liberals who don't believe that we have a problem at the border, nor that our country is in any sort of jeopardy.  Denial and apathy seems to continue to be the appetite of the day on this issue.

I don't know if it is the large number of people on meds, whether I am just on the mercurial side, or if people are trained to be so apathetic they can watch all hell break loose before them and remain completely glazed over. I am not wired that way, but I have always been one to express a sense of outrage, even in person, to do something when it needs to be done, even at risk to myself. I can guarantee I would not be quietly marched off to any cooler in the back to be shot like sheep.

Maybe it is a form of normalcy bias that lets people remain disconnected from the mess around them until it is their leg in the trap. Maybe they never developed enough of a weather eye to see a coming storm and know what it heralds. Maybe they are so convinced of their special-ness they don't think the laws of nature or economics apply, or that the lessons of history will make exceptions for them.

When I was working down in Colorado we got plastered by a serious blizzard. Those of us on the drilling rig I was on knew it was coming, laid in groceries and supplies, and hunkered down for 24 hours knowing that we had to shut the rig down because anyone who got hurt was not going to get medical assistance in that storm beyond what we could provide on site.

Not 12 miles away, as the crow flies, a Colorado State Trooper lost his life, hit by a motorist while stopped to help another motorist who was stranded--one of a thousand stranded motorists in the region. Those people should never have been on the road, should never have been stranded, and that Trooper (God Bless him and his family), should be alive today.

Even sheep are more aware of their surroundings than the average human.

[Smokin Joe]

Who needs that, when we have anti-climb? Besides, if you successfully clear it, you apparently earned your way in.


“If you want to climb that, it's pretty sharp up on top, too," said the president, according to CNN. "If you want to climb that then you deserve whatever you can get, but it’s very, very hard. It’s meant anti-climb. It’s called anti-climb, so it’s a great wall and… I think it looks fantastic — very see-through, so you’re able to see the other side, which is a very important element."

https://www.newsweek.com/president-trump-immigrants-who-scale-dangerous-sharp-edged-border-wall-you-1387962

You want to power something with windmills and solar? I got your 'anti-climb'.

[Smokin Joe]

I wonder if we could group the President in the bleeding heart liberal category?  Obviously the President has gotten little help in securing the border, but he hasn't pressure them too.  So I don't lay it all on him.   Declaring you are giving Mexico a year is like waving a white flag.  You and I know that one year at the rate of illegal entry is a gift to God knows how many caravans of thousand of immigrants.  A year to bring in drug.  A year of unrelenting human trafficking and border crime.  A year of unrestricted illegal crossing.

You cannot declare there is an emergency at the border and then give them a year to fix it.  We can't afford a year.  It just doesn't make sense.  But what does make sense is a President with no resolve to do what he promised.

Maybe he made a deal with those getting kickbacks from the cartels to hold off a year so they could get their "401Ks" in order somewhere offshore.

[corbe]

   I suspect that within 3 months Trump will be pontificating about the need to Secure our Country and suggest Closing the Border, again.
   It's such a juicy piece of meat.

[Smokin Joe]

   I suspect that within 3 months Trump will be pontificating about the need to Secure our Country and suggest Closing the Border, again.
   It's such a juicy piece of meat.

Just think how much he could save printing up campaign materials...just change the numbers...

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

I wonder if we could group the President in the bleeding heart liberal category?  Obviously the President has gotten little help in securing the border, but he hasn't pressure them too.  So I don't lay it all on him.   Declaring you are giving Mexico a year is like waving a white flag.  You and I know that one year at the rate of illegal entry is a gift to God knows how many caravans of thousand of immigrants.  A year to bring in drug.  A year of unrelenting human trafficking and border crime.  A year of unrestricted illegal crossing.

You cannot declare there is an emergency at the border and then give them a year to fix it.  We can't afford a year.  It just doesn't make sense.  But what does make sense is a President with no resolve to do what he promised.

A year to get knocked up and drop an anchor baby.

[libertybele]

I wonder if we could group the President in the bleeding heart liberal category?  Obviously the President has gotten little help in securing the border, but he hasn't pressure them too.  So I don't lay it all on him.   Declaring you are giving Mexico a year is like waving a white flag.  You and I know that one year at the rate of illegal entry is a gift to God knows how many caravans of thousand of immigrants.  A year to bring in drug.  A year of unrelenting human trafficking and border crime.  A year of unrestricted illegal crossing.

You cannot declare there is an emergency at the border and then give them a year to fix it.  We can't afford a year.  It just doesn't make sense.  But what does make sense is a President with no resolve to do what he promised.

Exactly.  You can't declare a national emergency and do nothing.  That doesn't make sense.  The only thing that makes sense is that Trump had/has no intention of shutting down the border.  IMHO he's using a year to get things in order so he, his family and cronies can prosper for a very long time.  This is nothing more than a business deal for him and his supporters really need to realize this.  No wall, amnesty and an unsecured border.  Things can't get much clearer than that on his intent.

[Smokin Joe]

A year to get knocked up and drop an anchor baby.

There it is.

[Chosen Daughter]

Maybe he made a deal with those getting kickbacks from the cartels to hold off a year so they could get their "401Ks" in order somewhere offshore.

Wouldn't surprise me.

[Chosen Daughter]

   I suspect that within 3 months Trump will be pontificating about the need to Secure our Country and suggest Closing the Border, again.
   It's such a juicy piece of meat.

He already threw out his piece of meat today.  The resignation of the DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielson.

[Chosen Daughter]

Exactly.  You can't declare a national emergency and do nothing.  That doesn't make sense.  The only thing that makes sense is that Trump had/has no intention of shutting down the border.  IMHO he's using a year to get things in order so he, his family and cronies can prosper for a very long time.  This is nothing more than a business deal for him and his supporters really need to realize this.  No wall, amnesty and an unsecured border.  Things can't get much clearer than that on his intent.

 A year makes crystal clear.  Its crazy.  Every news source reporting that the border is in a crisis.  Then today Secretary of DHS Kirstjen Nielson resigns.

[edpc]

A year makes crystal clear.  Its crazy.  Every news source reporting that the border is in a crisis.  Then today Secretary of DHS Kirstjen Nielson resigns.

It just gives him an another acting cabinet member. According to him, that’s fantastic.


“I like acting. It gives me more flexibility. Do you understand that? I like acting. So we have a few that are acting. We have a great, great Cabinet,” Trump said. He did not elaborate on why they give him more flexibility.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-cabinet-idUSKCN1P00IG

[Chosen Daughter]

It just gives him an another acting cabinet member. According to him, that’s fantastic.


“I like acting. It gives me more flexibility. Do you understand that? I like acting. So we have a few that are acting. We have a great, great Cabinet,” Trump said. He did not elaborate on why they give him more flexibility.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-cabinet-idUSKCN1P00IG

True.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I don't know if it is the large number of people on meds, whether I am just on the mercurial side, or if people are trained to be so apathetic they can watch all hell break loose before them and remain completely glazed over.

I think stuff has hit the fan.  I'm just not excited to give more authority to the people who have made the problem worse.

[Smokin Joe]

I think stuff has hit the fan.  I'm just not excited to give more authority to the people who have made the problem worse.

I'm not excited to give them more authority, either. THey'd either stuff their luggage with cash, or just sit on it anyway.

[libertybele]

   I suspect that within 3 months Trump will be pontificating about the need to Secure our Country and suggest Closing the Border, again.
   It's such a juicy piece of meat.

Of course he will.  He needs to keep his base excited while they wait for another year to roll around for him to actually do something, which they may or may not begin to realize that he's not going to do.

[QueenCatofAragon]

   I suspect that within 3 months Trump will be pontificating about the need to Secure our Country and suggest Closing the Border, again.
   It's such a juicy piece of meat.

They’ll go for it every time.

[QueenCatofAragon]

Wouldn't surprise me.

Was it during the campaign that Trump met with those “dreamers” and said they had convinced him of their POV?  Granted it wasn’t about border closing but it was a related issue.