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I think that Jared Kushner is running the country.  Why Trump is all talk.  When Jared gets wind of Trump making promises he reels him in.

I hadn't thought of that, but it is a possibility and would certainly explain a lot of things. 
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I think even Trump doesn't control Trump.  Trump being a puppet of Kushner would be a relief for me.  I don't think Kushner is an idiot.  Perhaps I think that because he usually doesn't say much, so I can give him a better benefit of the doubt.  Trump talks all the time.  It is easier to gauge his abilities.

You are correct, Kushner isn't an idiot, but he is a corrupt leftist liberal globalist who should have never been granted the security clearances that he has. Nor should he be allowed to reside in the West Wing.
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I also think Kushner is working behind the scenes, especially when it comes to Israel and other countries where he has done business.  I don't know if he has enough "pull" with Trump to change or guide Trump's actions.  Trump trusts no one but himself.  I also read a while ago, he told this present chief of staff to get his children out of Washington, back to New York City, because they could not help him, they were a hindrance.  I had wondered when he would turn on his family and now he has; in his mind, he is the only one in the world who is right all the time. 

No matter the subject, from how nuclear weapons work, plus everything in the universe, Trump says he knows all about it, more than anyone, ever.  That one statement, he knows more than anyone, he is the only one who can fix it, screams out Trump is mentally defective/unstable.

It appears to me that, behind the scenes the Trump Family (including Kushner) is engaged in activity designed to ensure the accumulation of generational wealth before Trump leaves office. Trump's tweets are a convenient smokescreen for the benefit of his loyal supporters, to keep them in line in the face of nearly complete inaction on the border.

The revolving door of cabinet officials ensures that little is done at the agency level, making it easier for the Chamber of Commerce and K Street allies to influence (i.e. pay off Congressional allies and enrich Trump's friends) the direction of the Trump administration.

While managing by chaos may be temporarily effective in the private sector, it doesn't work with huge organizations such as the federal government, with their entrenched bureaucracies. How can one expect change at the Agency level, when it can be properly assumed that the "acting secretary" will be in office for perhaps six months?
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You are correct, Kushner isn't an idiot, but he is a corrupt leftist liberal globalist who should have never been granted the security clearances that he has. Nor should he be allowed to reside in the West Wing.

Kushner strikes me as being amoral, despite his professed religion.
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To all the usual suspects on this thread ... here's what will solve all your problems and lower your anxiety level:  Appoint Donald J. Trump king.

Close the border:  check; frog march migrants back into Mexico, starting with women and children:  check; round up illegals in all fifty states and bus them back to their nation of origin--use of weapons acceptable:  check;  tell the courts to go bleep themselves: check; build a fifty foot concrete wall along the southern border and California: check.  Shoot any elected official who disagrees with this:  check.

There.  Done and done.  All we needed was a king. 

Edit:  I just read you post above @Applewood  .... Here's the best solution.  Truly.  Trust me.  This representative republic with three co-equal branches of government just isn't working anymore.

Well, @Right_in_Virginia, you’ve been voicing your own doubts about Trump elsewhere, though you don’t do so here.  So by your own standard, you’re one of the “usual suspects.”  Welcome to the club.  🥳
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Kushner strikes me as being amoral, despite his professed religion.

You mean.... like.... a JINO?  lololol

There's a lot of that goin round these days.... unfortunately.   People that profess to be something other than what they really are.   That's the politics!
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No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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@Applewood

You clearly haven't been paying any attention or you would realize we have had Kings ever since King Franklin the Worse took office. Ever since then it has been one King Dim or King Republican,crowned by the Party People ever since.

Ronald Reagan is the only possible exception I can think  of. His election caught them by surprise,much like Trump's election.

Trump was probably our last chance to break that stranglehold.

And how did that work out for you?

Actually, I don't recall too many of our past presidents wanting to be king.  Obama, with his pen and his phone, for sure.  What I see is Trump continuing the practices of Obama and maybe ramping them up as far as he could get away with.  Obama, however, had the advantage of huge support from his own party and from the media, and any dissenters were afraid to say anything for fear of that "racist" tag.  Trump, however, is having difficulty becoming king because he doesn't have universal support from even his own party and absolutely no support from the media. 

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It appears to me that, behind the scenes the Trump Family (including Kushner) is engaged in activity designed to ensure the accumulation of generational wealth before Trump leaves office. Trump's tweets are a convenient smokescreen for the benefit of his loyal supporters, to keep them in line in the face of nearly complete inaction on the border.

The revolving door of cabinet officials ensures that little is done at the agency level, making it easier for the Chamber of Commerce and K Street allies to influence (i.e. pay off Congressional allies and enrich Trump's friends) the direction of the Trump administration.

While managing by chaos may be temporarily effective in the private sector, it doesn't work with huge organizations such as the federal government, with their entrenched bureaucracies. How can one expect change at the Agency level, when it can be properly assumed that the "acting secretary" will be in office for perhaps six months?

Exactly right.  I know that I have stated this before, but I believe the way that Trump will 'resolve' (?) the crisis at the border is to create a North American Union.  Those involved in toll roads (Giuliani), planning, construction and building along those highways will profit handsomely and the Trump family will have not only increased their wealth substantially but will have created a very powerful dynasty.

It was quite absurd to vote in one of the most wealthiest men in the world and give him the keys to the Kingdom. 
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Trump was probably our last chance to break that stranglehold.


Sadly, few see this exactly is the problem. People keep looking for change from the government to the government. They keep expecting some knight in shining armor to fix things for them. This is the exact attitude why things not only won't get fixed, but will get worse.

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A king IS the only thing that will please you @libertybele   You clearly have no appreciation for or understanding of our system of government.  You just want what you were promised .... and you want it now.  The good news is the President wants to give it to you ... so clear away the marbles on the floor and make him King.

Absent this, may I suggest you think before you type another rant.  They're starting to lower the average IQ in Brieferville.
He wants it so bad he piddled around getting any of his big three done. He wasted opportunity.

A King? Oh, Hell NO. I would do as my ancestors did faced with that prospect. At least with 536 sanctimonious pissants involved in the process, we can hole for shutdowns and gridlock.
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And how did that work out for you?

@Applewood

You are right,of course. If you try you might fail,so why bother trying,right?


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Actually, I don't recall too many of our past presidents wanting to be king.

It's not MY fault you weren't paying attention.

   
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You are right, of course. If you try you might fail, so why bother trying, right?

Your hero didn't even try.  Oh, he used his own pen and phone and issued some executive orders, most if not all of which were nixed by the courts.  But from the moment he took office he berated congressmen and senators in his own party, calling them the swamp and such, and refusing to even try to work with them.  This reputed successful businessman, art of the deal guy, the boss -- he couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag.  Oh yeah, there were a few media photos of him allegedly meeting with party leaders, but they must have just been propaganda because as far as I know, nothing really came out of those meetings. We still have the Obamacare mess, still have the invasion of illegals and so-called refugees, still have a monstrous tax system, still running up the debt at an alarming rate. 

The man is a failure because he squandered 2+ years of a majority in both houses of congress plus the presidency and he didn't really try.

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It's not MY fault you weren't paying attention.

Paying attention to what?  Conspiracy theories and allegations by people with an axe to grind -- none of which were ever proven?  If so, you're right.  I didn't and don't pay attention to those things.

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Your hero didn't even try.  Oh, he used his own pen and phone and issued some executive orders, most if not all of which were nixed by the courts.  But from the moment he took office he berated congressmen and senators in his own party, calling them the swamp and such, and refusing to even try to work with them.  This reputed successful businessman, art of the deal guy, the boss -- he couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag.  Oh yeah, there were a few media photos of him allegedly meeting with party leaders, but they must have just been propaganda because as far as I know, nothing really came out of those meetings. We still have the Obamacare mess, still have the invasion of illegals and so-called refugees, still have a monstrous tax system, still running up the debt at an alarming rate. 

The man is a failure because he squandered 2+ years of a majority in both houses of congress plus the presidency and he didn't really try.

Paying attention to what?  Conspiracy theories and allegations by people with an axe to grind -- none of which were ever proven?  If so, you're right.  I didn't and don't pay attention to those things.


@Applewood

Awww,you Globalist Bush Bots are so cute when you try to pretend to be Americans.
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@Applewood

Awww,you Globalist Bush Bots are so cute when you try to pretend to be Americans.

And Trump fans are pathetic when they continue to defend their lying , lard butt failure of a president.

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And Trump fans are pathetic when they continue to defend their lying , lard butt failure of a president.

On the border issue/illegal immigration/amnesty Trump has indeed FAILED bigly.  Not a whole lot of Trumpers will acknowledge that failure.   He's done some positive things; perhaps most importantly he's brought attention to the biased media and the corruption of the left; at least for some who actually care to pay attention or can see past their hatred for the man.
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And Trump fans are pathetic when they continue to defend their lying , lard butt failure of a president.

@Applewood

Hit close to home,didn't I?

If if makes you feel better,you can always start an "A day in the life of JEB" thread.
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  He's done some positive things; perhaps most importantly he's brought attention to the biased media and the corruption of the left; at least for some who actually care to pay attention or can see past their hatred for the man.

@libertybele

It doesn't matter. He either produces this time,or he is forever "the old man that kept crying "wolf!"

It's either put up or shut up,Trump!
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@Applewood

Hit close to home,didn't I?

If if makes you feel better,you can always start an "A day in the life of JEB" thread.

I think you're the one whose home was nearly hit.  I noticed you didn't actually respond to the specific points raised in my post, but instead repeated your tired Bush Bot accusation. 

Someday, you and other Trump supporters may admit they were hornswoggled by a flim-flam man and he is not the get-it-done guy they thought he was.  But in the meantime, I'd suggest  you come up with new material for your insults against me.  The ones you and other Trump fans are using have gone stale.

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I think you're the one whose home was nearly hit.  I noticed you didn't actually respond to the specific points raised in my post, but instead repeated your tired Bush Bot accusation. 

 

@Applewood

I don't need to write an encyclopedia to identify a mass of insects.

Or Bush Republicans,which is a slightly lower form of insect life.
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@Applewood

I don't need to write an encyclopedia to identify a mass of insects.

Or Bush Republicans,which is a slightly lower form of insect life.

Wut?

LOL

You're a character, Pete.

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On the border issue/illegal immigration/amnesty Trump has indeed FAILED bigly.  Not a whole lot of Trumpers will acknowledge that failure.   He's done some positive things; perhaps most importantly he's brought attention to the biased media and the corruption of the left; at least for some who actually care to pay attention or can see past their hatred for the man.
I don't hate anyone, much less Trump. However, there is a long list of promises the man made, and the biggest, most prominent promises, the ones which contributed greatly to his election, go unfulfilled. This isn't some reality show where you can trail off a crisis as a teaser for next season. Stuff happens in between the pilot and the end of the show.
Wall.
Obamacare
Hillary's criminal activity.
Lower taxes
Smaller government
etc.

MY taxes aren't lower, instead, deductions I have been able to take for 40 years are gone. The result is that I am paying taxes on the money I have to spend to make money (known as 'expenses') for the first time since I filed a 1040.

the problem is that when someone mentions failure to perform, just like the people who shout "racist", people claim that pointing out that the job isn't getting done is some sort of personal hatred. Poppycock.
Either it is getting done or it isn't.
Period.
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I don't hate anyone, much less Trump. However, there is a long list of promises the man made, and the biggest, most prominent promises, the ones which contributed greatly to his election, go unfulfilled. This isn't some reality show where you can trail off a crisis as a teaser for next season. Stuff happens in between the pilot and the end of the show.
Wall.
Obamacare
Hillary's criminal activity.
Lower taxes
Smaller government
etc.

MY taxes aren't lower, instead, deductions I have been able to take for 40 years are gone. The result is that I am paying taxes on the money I have to spend to make money (known as 'expenses') for the first time since I filed a 1040.

the problem is that when someone mentions failure to perform, just like the people who shout "racist", people claim that pointing out that the job isn't getting done is some sort of personal hatred. Poppycock.
Either it is getting done or it isn't.
Period.

He failed to deliver on most of his promises and certainly the main one. He went into campaign mode as soon as he realized most of what he promised wasn't going to happen so he shifted the goalposts to running for reelection with the promise of finishing the job.

The tax cut is pure horseshit. Most paid more not less. Whomever got more either is untruthful or they were dirt poor to begin with. The average person rec'd little to nothing extra.

Ask yourself if the tax cuts were so great how come you don't hear more about just how great there were from the people not Trump telling you so.
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I hadn't thought of that, but it is a possibility and would certainly explain a lot of things.

You have to dig to see that mostly what is being done in the White House doesn't benefit the people at all.  Kushner is working behind the scene to increase work visas for foreigners low and high income wage earners.  It seems with such an influx of illegal immigrants they should shelve that.  Look at our system.  Since its at such a capacity all those people will be coming in and taking jobs.  And the administration has done nothing to force corporations to e verify.  What would those people do if they couldn't find jobs?  We know they will.

Trumps presidency is like a comic book or action hero drama.  With the Q Anon conspiracy there are people who have no idea what idiot in chief is doing in the White House.  They just want their hero character.  Who by the way never locked up Hillary or secured the border.  But soon he might send them a Q sign saying that a lot of corrupt politicians will be jailed.  Go Q!  Kushner and Mulvaney definitely have been working against the American people.  I know that.

All the Trump firings have been part of the plot to keep his fans on the edge supporting him.  He is the fake news. 
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