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Washington (CNN) — The Senate delivered a high-profile rebuke to President Donald Trump over his signature agenda issue Thursday when 12 Republicans joined Democrats to overturn the President's national emergency border declaration.

The vote was 59-41, an overwhelming vote against the President's executive action.

Lawmakers don't have enough votes, however, to override a certain veto from the President, but passage of the resolution in the Senate after it passed the House last month is nevertheless an embarrassing blow to Trump delivered by his own party over the President's top campaign pledge of a wall at the US-Mexico border.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics/senate-vote-trump-national-emergency-declaration-resolution/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

These are the 12 GOP votes to terminate the national emergency declaration:

Wicker, Rubio, Portman, Collins, Murkowski, Toomey, Blunt, Alexander, Romney, Paul, Moran, Lee

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/senate-vote-trump-national-emergency/h_6c2757b6d8a94fba05a604f0f0fe4b74
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Washington (CNN) — The Senate delivered a high-profile rebuke to President Donald Trump over his signature agenda issue Thursday when 12 Republicans joined Democrats to overturn the President's national emergency border declaration.

The vote was 59-41, an overwhelming vote against the President's executive action.

Lawmakers don't have enough votes, however, to override a certain veto from the President, but passage of the resolution in the Senate after it passed the House last month is nevertheless an embarrassing blow to Trump delivered by his own party over the President's top campaign pledge of a wall at the US-Mexico border.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics/senate-vote-trump-national-emergency-declaration-resolution/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

These are the 12 GOP votes to terminate the national emergency declaration:

Wicker, Rubio, Portman, Collins, Murkowski, Toomey, Blunt, Alexander, Romney, Paul, Moran, Lee

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/senate-vote-trump-national-emergency/h_6c2757b6d8a94fba05a604f0f0fe4b74

A better headline title would be "Both Houses of Congress Fail to Attain Sufficient Votes to Override the President's Expected Veto of the Emergency Declaration Rebuke"

That's a real mouthful for a headline, but at least it accurately conveys the situation. The 1976 Act lets the President declare an emergency...almost at will...and only a veto proof majority of both Houses can rebuke that declaration.

In other words, Congress is upholding the President's declaration of an emergency as it cannot muster sufficient votes to rebuke it legislatively.

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A better headline title would be "Both Houses of Congress Fail to Attain Sufficient Votes to Override the President's Expected Veto of the Emergency Declaration Rebuke"

That's a real mouthful for a headline, but at least it accurately conveys the situation. The 1976 Act lets the President declare an emergency...almost at will...and only a veto proof majority of both Houses can rebuke that declaration.

In other words, Congress is upholding the President's declaration of an emergency as it cannot muster sufficient votes to rebuke it legislatively.

At least we have some idea now of how many pro-open borders Pubs there are in the Senate. I wonder how many of the 12 who voted against the national emergency are up for election in 2020.
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The 1976 Act lets the President declare an emergency...almost at will...and only a veto proof majority of both Houses can rebuke that declaration.


Actually, the original act allowed for repeal with a simple majority, until the 1983 INS v Chadha SCOTUS decision changed it.
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Ted Cruz and John Cornyn vote against Joaquin Castro’s resolution blocking Trump's emergency order

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/03/14/ted-cruz-john-cornyn-border-wall-emergency/

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At least we have some idea now of how many pro-open borders Pubs there are in the Senate. I wonder how many of the 12 who voted against the national emergency are up for election in 2020.

What it indicates is that these GOP voted along with Joaquin Castro who in my humble opinion is one of the most dangerous DEMS out there and his twin is running for president!!!
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I guess you can scratch Mike Lee off the SCOTUS list and forget about him potentially replacing Ginsburg.
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GOP turns on Trump: Senate votes 59-41 to repeal declaration of an emergency at the border with Marco Rubio and Mitt Romney leading 12-strong Republican rebellion

    A dozen Senate Republicans voted with Democrats to repeal the declaration of an emergency at the border
    The 59-41 defeat is the most serious rebuke of his presidency but Trump immediately tweeted: 'VETO!'
     The president also sent out a fundraising email asking if he should veto
     Trump warned lawmakers they'll have to go through him to end his border emergency
    Nancy Pelosi  immediately signed the legislation, sending it to the president's desk where he has ten days to sign it or veto it
    Democratic leader Chuck Schumer called it a 'red-letter day in the history of how the United States functions' as he rallied senators to vote the emergency down

By Francesca Chambers, Senior White House Correspondent For Dailymail.com and Geoff Earle, Deputy U.s. Political Editor For Dailymail.com

Published: 09:51 EDT, 14 March 2019 | Updated: 17:16 EDT, 14 March 2019

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6808847/Trump-threatens-use-veto-time-border-emergency.html
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Just one vote shy from being able to override a veto, if he does that.

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Just one vote shy from being able to override a veto, if he does that.

The Senate won't matter if the House doesn't reach the override threshold.
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Just one vote shy from being able to override a veto, if he does that.

One?  Looks like eight to me.
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One?  Looks like eight to me.

Yep. Takes a 2/3 senate majority.

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Every GOP Senate member should be challenged in their next primary.  JUst a shame the GOP is not on board with this president.  They could have done many great things, and yet they do virtually nothing for 2+ years.

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Sen. Cruz Issues Statement in Support of President Trump’s National Emergency Declaration
‘Make no mistake: an emergency absolutely exists on the border, and it is a national and humanitarian disaster’

March 14, 2019

WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) today issued the following statement regarding his vote in favor of President Trump’s national emergency declaration:

“Today, the National Emergencies Act required the Senate to answer one question: whether there is an ongoing emergency at our southern border. I voted to support the President’s declaration because, as Texans realize all too well, there is one.

“This was a difficult vote. I understand my colleagues’ real concerns regarding the vast emergency powers that Congress has given the President over the last half-century. I share those concerns.

“The press will spin today’s vote as a rejection of border security, as opposition to a wall, and as a rejection of President Trump’s commitment to building the wall. All of that is false.

“Here’s what I believe: Number one, we have crisis on our border. A heartbreaking emergency, which I’ve seen first-hand in Texas, over and over again. Countless human lives hurt or lost by drug traffickers, human traffickers, and unchecked illegal immigration. For example: In 2018, Customs and Border Protection apprehended 396,579 people at our border. In the first 4 months of 2019, CBP has caught another 201,497. If that rate continues, we’ll apprehend over 600,000 people in 2019. These hundreds of thousands include a record-high number of families, including over 1,700 identified cases of an adult lying about a relationship to a child in order to get into our country. Each of those children are at serious risk of sexual assault or physical abuse – nobody compassionate should want even a single boy or girl in the custody of human traffickers. Between 2012 and 2018, border authorities seized over 7,300 tons—almost 14,700,000 pounds—of cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine, and fentanyl. Of these, fentanyl seizures alone increased by almost 400% from 2016 to 2018. And in just 2014 to 2018, Border Patrol agents captured 1,630 members of MS-13 alone. That’s one member of MS-13 almost every day. This is a crisis and a tragedy, and we must fix it.

“Number two, we need to build a wall.  From the first day I ran for Senate, I’ve fought to build a wall. I urged the President and the Senate to take up budget reconciliation and fully fund the wall last year—when we still had majorities in both houses of Congress. I’ve introduced the EL CHAPO Act to build the wall, and pay for it using the billions criminally forfeited from El Chapo and other drug dealers.

“Number three, the Constitution matters. Profoundly. My whole life, I’ve fought for the Constitution. The Constitution protects our fundamental liberties, and every President should be bound by it, whether Republican or Democrat. I took an oath to uphold the Constitution, and I made that promise to the People of Texas. When President Obama violated the Constitution through executive amnesty, I led the fight against that lawless action. Unlike President Obama, here President Trump is acting pursuant to explicit statutory authority. The National Emergencies Act gives the President the authority to activate more than a hundred distinct emergency powers, including those he is exercising here. That statute is, I believe, over-broad. It invites abuse.

“Indeed, it is easy to imagine a future Democratic president using this statute to try to implement a radical, far-left agenda over the will of Congress and the American people. A President Warren could declare climate change a national emergency and try to suspend offshore drilling. A President Sanders could declare a nationational emergency in the Middle East and try to freeze the bank accounts of Americans who do business with Israel. And a President Sanders, or Warren, or some other avowed socialist, could try to reallocate billions of dollars, without the consent of Congress, to advance their socialist policies to address those and other so-called emergencies. That is why I am an original co-sponsor of Senator Lee’s ARTICLE ONE Act, which significantly narrows how these emergency powers can be used going forward. This bill would end any new national emergency if Congress does not approve it within 30 days. Combined with a thorough review of ongoing emergencies, this proposal would reduce the danger of an abuse of national emergency powers by any of the dozens of far-left candidates seeking the Democratic nomination.

“And I am grateful that the President announced today—at the urging of many of us—that he will support our efforts to reform this law, and guard against potential abuse by a lawless future president, Democrat or Republican.

“Yet while I support reforming the National Emergencies Act, that wasn’t what the Senate voted on today. Current law empowers the President to declare a national emergency and activate statutory emergency powers when he determines there is one, and Congress can then vote to determine whether or not an emergency exists. And make no mistake: an emergency absolutely exists on the border, and it is a national and humanitarian disaster.

“We cannot end this emergency without securing our southern border, and we cannot secure our border without building a wall.

“I support the President’s efforts to build the wall and secure our border. And I will continue to work with the President and my colleagues in Congress to reform our national emergency system and protect Congress’s Article I authority.

“But today’s question was whether there was an emergency at our southern border. There is, and I voted to recognize that tragic fact.”

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https://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=4377

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Just one vote shy from being able to override a veto, if he does that.
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As I understand the process, the House would have to approve the over-ride first, then it goes to the Senate.

Since the House had only a bit over 56% of the Body supporting the bill, it is very unlikely it will get the 2/3 vote, hence it will not even make it to the Senate anyway.
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Every GOP Senate member should be challenged in their next primary.  JUst a shame the GOP is not on board with this president.  They could have done many great things, and yet they do virtually nothing for 2+ years.

One thing this administration has done is, intentionally or inadvertently, drive the bottom feeding bureaucrats out of their holes & slug politicians hanging by their feet in congress for years pretending to represent their constituents out into the light.

It's more clear than ever where their loyalties lie.

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You beat me to the post, but I believe Senator Cruz thought this out thoroughly and I have every bit of faith in him that he made the correct choice for our country.
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Actually, the original act allowed for repeal with a simple majority, until the 1983 INS v Chadha SCOTUS decision changed it.

Chadha simply prompted congress to modify the 76 act, thus REQUIRING a joint resolution to rebuke a presidential declaration. As president's can veto such resolutions, it imposes a 2/3 requirement to uphold when that veto is enacted. So its not a court decision that requires 2/3 under the law today, its the statute as written and approved by congress in 1985.

In other words, the law gives the President power to declare and emergency and gives the congress power to overturn it IF it can muster the votes to override a veto. Period.

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Chadha simply prompted congress to modify the 76 act, thus REQUIRING a joint resolution to rebuke a presidential declaration. As president's can veto such resolutions, it imposes a 2/3 requirement to uphold when that veto is enacted. So its not a court decision that requires 2/3 under the law today, its the statute as written and approved by congress in 1985.

In other words, the law gives the President power to declare and emergency and gives the congress power to overturn it IF it can muster the votes to override a veto. Period.


Except that’s not what you had originally said. The ‘76 law only required majority resolution by each house to overturn it. They made it that way on purpose, since they were handing such sweeping powers to the executive. It was to prevent overreach....and now, here we are.
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One thing this administration has done is, intentionally or inadvertently, drive the bottom feeding bureaucrats out of their holes & slug politicians hanging by their feet in congress for years pretending to represent their constituents out into the light.

It's more clear than ever where their loyalties lie.

Exactly.  Those who are loyal to America and those who are loyal to Trump.
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Exactly.  Those who are loyal to America and those who are loyal to Trump.

Bzzzzz!  Wrong!  Those who insist on the rule of law and those who prefer "by any means necessary"..

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Bzzzzz!  Wrong!  Those who insist on the rule of law and those who prefer "by any means necessary"..
You're talking about rule of law and quoting Malcolm X.  Bizzaro America  :patriot:
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You're talking about rule of law and quoting Malcolm X.  Bizzaro America  :patriot:

I was correcting what you said sport.   Didn't think I had to include the words  "the conflict is between"  but considering now the audience,  my bad!

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I was correcting what you said sport.   Didn't think I had to include the words  "the conflict is between"  but considering now the audience,  my bad!
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Just one vote shy from being able to override a veto, if he does that.

67 votes need to over ride a veto


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