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Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« on: March 13, 2019, 02:45:51 PM »
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Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes

The Seattle Times · March 13, 2019

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Trump announced to reporters that he was grounding the aircraft.

President Donald Trump announced Wednesday that he is grounding all Boeing 737 MAX airplanes.

The move follows virtually all other nations with carriers operating the MAX plane, including Canada’s decision to ban the aircraft earlier Wednesday after analyzing satellite data.

This is a breaking news update. The previous story is below:

Canadian officials abruptly banned all Boeing 737 MAX planes from operating in the country’s airspace Wednesday, saying that new satellite data shows similarities between Sunday’s 737 MAX crash in Ethiopia and a previous crash involving the jetliner.

More at:  https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/after-analyzing-satellite-data-on-737-max-crash-canada-bans-the-plane-from-its-airspace/
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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2019, 02:49:58 PM »
Probably well justified. Always err on the side of safety.

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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2019, 02:55:12 PM »
The press will spin it as a negative. 

"Trump Strands Passengers and cripples the Airline industry with New Ban."
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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2019, 03:00:29 PM »
The press will spin it as a negative. 

"Trump Strands Passengers and cripples the Airline industry with New Ban."

"Women and children hardest hit!"
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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2019, 03:02:44 PM »
"Women and children hardest hit!"

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The United States will no longer fly the Boeing 737 Max 8 and Max 9 after an Ethiopian Airlines flight crashed Sunday shortly after takeoff from Addis Ababa, killing all 157 people on board.

President Trump said he was grounding them flights [/b]from both models - 'effective immediately' - on Wednesday afternoon.

Any plane that is currently in the air will be allowed to land [/i]and then they will be grounded until further notice, he said.

Trump said he made the decision after following a with Elaine Chao, the transportation secretary, after new information emerged on the tragic crash.

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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2019, 03:18:45 PM »
Investigators in the Lion Air crash suspect it may have been caused by an angle of attack (AOA) sensor on the outside of the plane which transmitted incorrect data that could have triggered automated flight software called the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS) that forced the plane's nose down.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/13/us/pilot-complaints-boeing-737-max/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F


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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2019, 04:12:07 PM »
...Any plane that is currently in the air will be allowed to land...

That was a nice gesture, allowing them to land.  I wonder what was the other option, shooting them down?
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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2019, 04:17:03 PM »
That was a nice gesture, allowing them to land.  I wonder what was the other option, shooting them down?
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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2019, 04:19:49 PM »
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Boeing has grounded its entire global fleet of 737 Max aircraft after investigators uncovered new evidence at the scene of the fatal Ethiopian Airlines crash.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47562727

This even looks like a new development.

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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2019, 04:51:30 PM »
So we have two accidents on the other side of the world in third world countries, cause still unknown, out of hundreds of thousands of flights every year (so even if design, probability is virtually zero), and they shut them all down.

Yeah, nothing smells weird here....

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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2019, 05:00:07 PM »
So we have two accidents on the other side of the world in third world countries, cause still unknown, out of hundreds of thousands of flights every year (so even if design, probability is virtually zero), and they shut them all down.

Yeah, nothing smells weird here....

Canada and Australia grounded the flights, when the first world countries are grounding the plane, that's a bit beyond crashes in third world countries. Also, apparently from the air, they are spotting some similarity to the two crashes.

Norway wants compensation for their planes, Vietnam (Vietjet) is probably going to cancel their $25 billion contract with Boeing.

So, I'd kind of wonder what the nothing smells weird is about?

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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2019, 05:10:34 PM »
So we have two accidents on the other side of the world in third world countries, cause still unknown, out of hundreds of thousands of flights every year (so even if design, probability is virtually zero), and they shut them all down.

Yeah, nothing smells weird here....

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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2019, 05:29:41 PM »
I suppose the grounding is necessary until we know what's what.  But it's already affecting flights  here locally and probably all over.  Southwest Airlines was particularly mentioned on our local news.  Several flights tomorrow are canceled.

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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2019, 06:03:56 PM »
So we have two accidents on the other side of the world in third world countries, cause still unknown, out of hundreds of thousands of flights every year (so even if design, probability is virtually zero), and they shut them all down.

Yeah, nothing smells weird here....

Nothing smells weird.  There appears to be a nontrivial possibility that a defect in the plane brought them both down.  Prudence dictates they be grounded. 

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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2019, 06:14:20 PM »
With the Ethiopia plane that augered in. I betting on the cause will be pilot error/inexperience. The guy only had a few hours in the left seat.
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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2019, 06:19:13 PM »
Nothing smells weird.  There appears to be a nontrivial possibility that a defect in the plane brought them both down.  Prudence dictates they be grounded.

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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2019, 07:03:19 PM »
So we have two accidents on the other side of the world in third world countries, cause still unknown, out of hundreds of thousands of flights every year (so even if design, probability is virtually zero), and they shut them all down.

Yeah, nothing smells weird here....

Doesn't sound weird to me.  The two planes went down the same way, and they had already suspected the computers crashed the planes.  The Pilots are afraid to fly them.
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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2019, 07:07:52 PM »
Doesn't sound weird to me.  The two planes went down the same way, and they had already suspected the computers crashed the planes.  The Pilots are afraid to fly them.

Pilots ain't scared.  They work the problem.
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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2019, 07:23:00 PM »
Doesn't sound weird to me.  The two planes went down the same way, and they had already suspected the computers crashed the planes.  The Pilots are afraid to fly them.


It depends. Sometimes, human error contributes to the problem, if the wrong corrective actions are taken.   


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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2019, 07:37:18 PM »
Let's just see what the investigation finds. 
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« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2019, 07:38:08 PM »
Pilots ain't scared.  They work the problem.

American pilots do.  Muzzie pilots crash them on purpose.
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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2019, 07:38:44 PM »
Let's just see what the investigation finds.
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« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2019, 07:43:43 PM »
American pilots do.  Muzzie pilots crash them on purpose.
They do have history in that regard.
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« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2019, 07:57:02 PM »
They do have history in that regard.

And we train them to do it.

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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2019, 08:05:18 PM »
If it could be a software glitch, it sounds reasonable to ground the planes until the actual cause can be determined.  It's a CYA (from lawsuits) move, as well as to save lives.  Might also prompt them to find the cause more quickly....?
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