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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2019, 08:17:09 PM »
That's what I'm hearing, computer, software, auto-pilot problem. It sounds like they have some idea of what went wrong, hence, the president's remark just the other day about planes' advance technology. It does fit in some.


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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2019, 08:19:05 PM »
And we train them to do it.

What's a Muslim pilot's favorite flight assignment?

A 737 Max...for Virgin Airlines!
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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2019, 08:27:54 PM »
What's a Muslim pilot's favorite flight assignment?

A 737 Max...for Virgin Airlines!

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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2019, 08:45:37 PM »
I may be a bit bias because I have been working for 32 years  at the Renton Boeing plant where the MAX rolls out, but there have been 371 MAX deliveries with 43 airlines, mounting up hundreds of thousands of flights between them. It is no secret that the plane automatic elevator trim can get faulty AOA readings, and until the software is fixed pilots were supposed to be trained to override it. Turn off auto pilot, 2 jerks to the Left with the steering yoke and 1 to the right and the plane is now yours to fly again.  US pilots have run through the excersice many rimes in flight simulators.   I suspect these foreign countries lacked the training.

Airbus was not without its new airplane disasters. Remember the A320 that crashed at an air show in France in 1988. The cause was faulty fly by wire software.
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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2019, 08:48:58 PM »
  US pilots have run through the excersice many rimes in flight simulators.   I suspect these foreign countries lacked the training.


Absolutely. 
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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2019, 08:49:40 PM »
I may be a bit bias because I have been working for 32 years  at the Renton Boeing plant where the MAX rolls out, but there have been 371 MAX deliveries with 43 airlines, mounting up hundreds of thousands of flights between them. It is no secret that the plane automatic elevator trim can get faulty AOA readings, and until the software is fixed pilots were supposed to be trained to override it. Turn off auto pilot, 2 jerks to the Left with the steering yoke and 1 to the right and the plane is now yours to fly again.  US pilots have run through the excersice many rimes in flight simulators.   I suspect these foreign countries lacked the training.

Airbus was not without its new airplane disasters. Remember the A320 that crashed at an air show in France in 1988. The cause was faulty fly by wire software.

Some pilots won't read the GD instructions on their iPads.
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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2019, 08:50:48 PM »
I may be a bit bias because I have been working for 32 years  at the Renton Boeing plant where the MAX rolls out, but there have been 371 MAX deliveries with 43 airlines, mounting up hundreds of thousands of flights between them. It is no secret that the plane automatic elevator trim can get faulty AOA readings, and until the software is fixed pilots were supposed to be trained to override it. Turn off auto pilot, 2 jerks to the Left with the steering yoke and 1 to the right and the plane is now yours to fly again.  US pilots have run through the excersice many rimes in flight simulators.   I suspect these foreign countries lacked the training.

Airbus was not without its new airplane disasters. Remember the A320 that crashed at an air show in France in 1988. The cause was faulty fly by wire software.


Sounds like Europe is trying to help Airbus.
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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2019, 08:55:33 PM »
Hopefully, we won’t run into the irony of an accident with older aircraft being brought back into service, while this is sorted out.
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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2019, 09:29:42 PM »
Hopefully, we won’t run into the irony of an accident with older aircraft being brought back into service, while this is sorted out.

The fleets are full of newer 737-800s and -900s, and we are still building them through April. One for every four MAX's.  Still an outstanding aircraft that will fill the sky's for another decade or more.
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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2019, 09:35:00 PM »
The fleets are full of newer 737-800s and -900s, and we are still building them through April. One for every four MAX's.  Still an outstanding aircraft that will fill the sky's for another decade or more.


Sure, but older aircraft were taken out of service, as the newer were delivered. I doubt an airline can take more than a dozen planes out of service, without replacing at least some. Southwest uses the 737 variants exclusively and they just had reported serious maintenance issues last month.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/19/southwest-airlines-grounds-more-jets-due-to-maintenance-issues.html
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« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2019, 09:38:43 PM »
 Anyone want to guess what country makes the software in question?     Blame Canada.
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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2019, 09:39:45 PM »
Anyone want to guess what country makes the software in question?     Blame Canada.

Shortage of beta testing perhaps?

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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2019, 10:41:56 PM »
I would expect the mandatory grounding to become volentary grounding rather quickly once the FA delivers a Directive on conditions safe to fly, like not using auto pilot below 10,000 feet or something. Boeing stock BA actually climbed a bit today, after dropping over $50 The last two.
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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2019, 03:47:48 AM »
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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2019, 10:21:57 AM »
So we have two accidents on the other side of the world in third world countries, cause still unknown, out of hundreds of thousands of flights every year (so even if design, probability is virtually zero), and they shut them all down.

Yeah, nothing smells weird here....
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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2019, 12:56:53 PM »
I am old enough to remember the DC 10 incidents in the late 70's. Over a 1,000 deaths. What is your magic number before we give this our full attention.
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If it is a problem with the aircraft, it must be found.

Either way, the problem needs to be addressed, preferably without further loss of life.

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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2019, 01:21:54 PM »
I am old enough to remember the DC 10 incidents in the late 70's. Over a 1,000 deaths. What is your magic number before we give this our full attention.


I remember hearing about the AA DC10 that crashed in Chicago. The
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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2019, 01:52:27 PM »
I remember hearing about the AA DC10 that crashed in Chicago.



That was due to a major screw up by the maintenance crew.
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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2019, 02:15:07 PM »


That was due to a major screw up by the maintenance crew.

Big time, and it was a common procedure.  An engine fell off the plane in flight. 
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Re: Trump grounds Boeing 737 MAX airplanes
« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2019, 02:47:04 PM »
Anyone want to guess what country makes the software in question?     Blame Canada.
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