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ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
« on: March 12, 2019, 11:52:11 PM »
ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
5:30 PM 03/12/2019 | US
Jason Hopkins | Energy Investigator

The National ICE Council, which endorsed Trump in 2016, sent the president a blistering letter, complaining of catch-and-release procedures and political showmanship in Washington, D.C.
Catch-and-release is forcing ICE officers to devote long hours to mundane tasks, keeping them from performing their usual duties of catching illegal aliens and dangerous criminals.
While Democrats have called to defund and abolish ICE, the president has made efforts to curb catch-and-release and other channels foreign national abuse to enter the country.
The National ICE Council issued a scathing letter to President Donald Trump regarding the continuation of “wasteful and dangerous” immigration policies at the U.S.-Mexico border.
“We regretfully write to inform you that in the middle of an immigration crisis on the southern border, you Administration is squandering scarce ICE resources and playing political games with our officers,” the National Immigration and Customs Enforcement Council wrote in a letter sent to Trump on Monday. “To be direct Mr. President — the rhetoric doesn’t match reality and we hope that this letter shows you the complete and total nonsense that is really taking place under the Trump Administration on the southern border.”

https://www.dailycaller.com/2019/03/12/ice-union-catch-release/
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Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2019, 07:12:37 AM »
Here's a detailed letter from border patrol to the President reinforcing the emergency and slamming catch and release. Is that a whiff of collusion in the air?     :pondering:

It will be interesting to see how the media and NTs react to this.  Will they realize before they start talking that they can't rip the President for this letter or support ICE for sending it without also reinforcing the state of emergency and calls to end catch and release? 

We sure do live in interesting times.   :smokin:

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Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2019, 10:01:23 AM »
Catch and release is a stunt that doesn’t need to be implemented after the Jennings v Rodriguez decision by SCOTUS, last February. Fast track the hearings, then deport the unqualified.
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Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2019, 10:14:31 AM »
Catch and release is a stunt that doesn’t need to be implemented after the Jennings v Rodriguez decision by SCOTUS, last February. Fast track the hearings, then deport the unqualified.

This letter to the President shows absolute frustration of the failure to stop catch and release.  The numbers coming across the border are invasion level.  And to top it off I posted an article that showed some border patrol are opening gates and letting illegals in when they are still on the Mexican side of the border.  I guess they are practicing the big beautiful door of Trump policy.  It is two agencies working against each other.  That is the way America operates, and lawlessness is "winning".
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It was a casual remark over a lunch of salad, fish and red wine but future historians are likely to parse and ponder every word: "The Cuban model doesn't even work for us any more."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/sep/09/fidel-castro-cuba-economic-model

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Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2019, 12:52:12 PM »
Here's a detailed letter from border patrol to the President reinforcing the emergency and slamming catch and release. Is that a whiff of collusion in the air?     :pondering:

It will be interesting to see how the media and NTs react to this.  Will they realize before they start talking that they can't rip the President for this letter or support ICE for sending it without also reinforcing the state of emergency and calls to end catch and release? 

We sure do live in interesting times.   :smokin:

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Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2019, 12:57:51 PM »
This letter to the President shows absolute frustration of the failure to stop catch and release.  The numbers coming across the border are invasion level.  And to top it off I posted an article that showed some border patrol are opening gates and letting illegals in when they are still on the Mexican side of the border.  I guess they are practicing the big beautiful door of Trump policy.  It is two agencies working against each other. That is the way America operates, and lawlessness is "winning".

I believe the official term is.... dysfunctional.   Quite honestly, I don't understand why the hell Trump doesn't just shut down the borders until the "flood" is ended and until the crisis can be handled adequately.   What's he afraid of?  It's not like it could get any worse for him in Congress.   :shrug:
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Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2019, 01:04:44 PM »
What's he afraid of?  It's not like it could get any worse for him in Congress.   :shrug:

He's probably afraid of 15 squishy republican senators, 'cause thats all that will be standing between him and being ejected from office and being prosecuted as a private citizen for the remainder of his life.

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Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2019, 01:07:16 PM »
I believe the official term is.... dysfunctional.   Quite honestly, I don't understand why the hell Trump doesn't just shut down the borders until the "flood" is ended and until the crisis can be handled adequately.   What's he afraid of?  It's not like it could get any worse for him in Congress.   :shrug:

In looking at what all has happened under his watch, I don't think his intent is to close the border, nor build a wall.  I've said it a couple of times, my hunch is his way to resolve this issue is going to be granting amnesty by joining Mexico, the U.S.A. and Canada. No longer have to worry about an invasion.  The DEMS will no longer have the increase in votes as they had hoped as he gains the votes. In addition, and I believe one of the reasons he ran for president, is the North American Union is going to make him and his cronies extremely wealthy.  It may very well boost the economy, etc., but we will lose our sovereignty as a result.  I have always said that Trump will strengthen the economy; we just may not like how he does it.
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Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2019, 01:08:07 PM »
He's probably afraid of 15 squishy republican senators, 'cause thats all that will be standing between him and being ejected from office and being prosecuted as a private citizen for the remainder of his life.

Well, if that's gonna happen.... it's gonna happen ANYway.  Right?  Might as well go out with a bang...lol.
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Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2019, 01:12:02 PM »
In looking at what all has happened under his watch, I don't think his intent is to close the border, nor build a wall.  I've said it a couple of times, my hunch is his way to resolve this issue is going to be granting amnesty by joining Mexico, the U.S.A. and Canada. No longer have to worry about an invasion.  The DEMS will no longer have the increase in votes as they had hoped as he gains the votes. In addition, and I believe one of the reasons he ran for president, is the North American Union is going to make him and his cronies extremely wealthy.  It may very well boost the economy, etc., but we will lose our sovereignty as a result.  I have always said that Trump will strengthen the economy; we just may not like how he does it.

Has he said anything that gives the indication that that is what he is "for"?  If so, I haven't seen it.
So what makes you think so?
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Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2019, 02:32:58 PM »
I heard a report on the local radio station in Houston this morning.
Our border with Canada is also having in increase in illegal entry.
People are coming over with children from the north now (who may or may not be their own).
They claim the magic word "asylum" and they are detained for only 20 days max.
They have a hearing, and are told to come back to court on date such and such.
Not unlike what is happening on our southern border, less than 1/2 come back to court.
People who can gain access into Canada find it easier to cross from their into the U.S.
Why? Less attention is being paid to it.
Those coming in from the north have learned about the "catch and release" system, especially when it comes to "families".

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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2019, 05:05:55 PM »
Has he said anything that gives the indication that that is what he is "for"?  If so, I haven't seen it.
So what makes you think so?

No.  Not at all.  For what it's worth just a hunch and a gut feeling since he appointed his pal Giuliani as his advisor/lawyer. It's been quite awhile but the Giuliani connection to the NAU  was through Bracewell & Giuliani, a law firm he joined as senior partner in 2005. Bracewel represents (represented) Citgo, the oil company controlled by Venezuela’s anti-American and terrorist-supporting ruler Hugo Chavez.  Further, the law firm was involved in plans (toll roads) for the Trans Texas Corridor -- part of the plan for the NAU at that time. Giuliani has since left the firm and of course recently joined with Trump.

https://www.aim.org/aim-column/giuliani-linked-to-nafta-superhighway/
https://www.newsweek.com/highway-hell-94645
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracewell_LLP

 
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2019, 06:21:16 PM »
No.  Not at all.  For what it's worth just a hunch and a gut feeling since he appointed his pal Giuliani as his advisor/lawyer. It's been quite awhile but the Giuliani connection to the NAU  was through Bracewell & Giuliani, a law firm he joined as senior partner in 2005. Bracewel represents (represented) Citgo, the oil company controlled by Venezuela’s anti-American and terrorist-supporting ruler Hugo Chavez.  Further, the law firm was involved in plans (toll roads) for the Trans Texas Corridor -- part of the plan for the NAU at that time. Giuliani has since left the firm and of course recently joined with Trump.

https://www.aim.org/aim-column/giuliani-linked-to-nafta-superhighway/
https://www.newsweek.com/highway-hell-94645
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracewell_LLP

 

I tend towards giving him the benefit of the doubt.... unless or until I 'know' something he is doing or has done that is antithetical to my conservative beliefs.   He has enough problems without being nailed for 'thought crimes' that he may or may not even be thinking.  JS....
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Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2019, 06:24:42 PM »
Let me guess...without reading the article.

Unnamed sources, correct?
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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2019, 07:00:23 PM »
Let me guess...without reading the article.

Unnamed sources, correct?


No, the letter was from the ICE union officials.
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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2019, 07:26:28 PM »

No, the letter was from the ICE union officials.

Is that an SEIU union?    :whistle:

Did that union have a more satisfying work environment under Barack Obama?  (In terms of practicing and executing their duties)
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2019, 07:29:23 PM »
Is that an SEIU union?    :whistle:

Did that union have a more satisfying work environment under Barack Obama?  (In terms of practicing and executing their duties)

Hey thats critical thinking - no fair.

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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2019, 07:45:11 PM »
Is that an SEIU union?    :whistle:

Did that union have a more satisfying work environment under Barack Obama?  (In terms of practicing and executing their duties)


I understand you're loathe to read the article, but just try the first sentence. It's the same group that endorsed Trump in the 2016 campaign.  Besides, they're a government union, associated with AGFE, not SEIU.

http://iceunion.org/about
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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2019, 09:12:16 PM »
Hey thats critical thinking - no fair.
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The complaints also indicate crumbling support from a union that notably stood behind Trump during the last presidential campaign. In what was a first in the union’s history, the National ICE Council gave a presidential endorsement, announcing its support for Trump during the run up to the 2016 presidential election.

It's all part of the Deep State's plans to undercut the President when he is succeeding so great. /sarc
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« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2019, 09:13:07 PM »
He's probably afraid of 15 squishy republican senators, 'cause thats all that will be standing between him and being ejected from office and being prosecuted as a private citizen for the remainder of his life.
This I agree with.
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Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2019, 12:08:30 AM »
Is that an SEIU union?    :whistle:

Did that union have a more satisfying work environment under Barack Obama?  (In terms of practicing and executing their duties)

Its easy to play that card, but illegal immigration and catch and release are at levels that they have never been before and increasing.  Go ahead and try to deter the attention but they are calling Trump out because he is playing politics with border security.  They expected action from Trump and we have yet to see it.  Just disappointment to disappointment. 
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« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2019, 10:05:46 AM »
This I agree with.

The difference being the thought doesn't fill me with delight.

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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2019, 10:32:37 AM »
It would be extremely frustrating for ICE to be rounding up illegal aliens when Border Patrol is ushering them in from the Mexican side of the fence.  What people want to ignore also but has been known for several years is that some Border Patrol have been corrupted.  I also posted on that quite awhile ago.  It was brought up in Congress several years ago.  We all want to have visions of the hero's at the border.  But just like many police officers are corrupted so are Border Patrol.  In these days where Opium addiction is at a unprecedented level.  When Mexican Drug Cartel are active in all our major cities this problem must be addressed.  The corruption must be rooted out or our government will become just like Mexican.  Bought and paid for by Mexican Drug trade.

Its the elephant in the room.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/sep/09/fidel-castro-cuba-economic-model

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Re: ICE Officers Giving Up On Trump Over Catch And Release
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2019, 12:06:30 PM »
I believe the official term is.... dysfunctional.   Quite honestly, I don't understand why the hell Trump doesn't just shut down the borders until the "flood" is ended and until the crisis can be handled adequately.   What's he afraid of?  It's not like it could get any worse for him in Congress.   :shrug:

I suspect that there are enough open borders Pub Senators that the threat of impeachment, or everything else coming to a halt has held Trump back. Also, shutting down our border with Mexico who be a big negative to our economy.
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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2019, 12:25:13 PM »
I suspect that there are enough open borders Pub Senators that the threat of impeachment, or everything else coming to a halt has held Trump back. Also, shutting down our border with Mexico who be a big negative to our economy.

Which is the bigger negative?   Shutting down the border so that unvetted invaders, criminals, gang members, and some possibly even future terrorists, cannot enter and create mayhem?  Or ...not doing what has become necessary due to the deliberate orchestration by our enemies without AND within ...to protect the legal citizens of America.   You already know where my vote lands.
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