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Did I just read this headline correctly??? :chairbang:

Yeah, never forget Linseed's nickname is "McCain's Mini-Me."  Every time he does something good, like defending Justice Kavanaugh, he follows it up with another game of Footsie with the Rats.
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And we should start by describing the 2nd Amendment as a fundamental aspect of a free people,instead of calling it "conservative".  Right or wrong,the word "conservative" leaves a dirt ring in the ears of most people under 50 because they have been trained to think all their lives that conservatives want slavery and the freedom to murder anyone they want at any time without question.

We need to remind the people that it was the LIBERAL Founding Fathers who thought that individual freedoms were so important that the prime tools necessary to insure a free people could remain free,instead of being disarmed and becoming servants of the government.

Meanwhile,the word "liberal" means you are open-minded,fair,and loving. Which is why I NEVER refer to a leftist as a "liberal". Just because they stole and misuse that word for propaganda reasons doesn't mean I am required to help them sell their lie.

Even though I agree with you, the GOP/conservatives should have done this, long, long ago.  The DEMS have worked very diligently to smear the ideals of conservatives, and have laid out a very different and false idea of what conservatism means. That 'smear' has been entrenched into the minds of our children from the time they hit kindergarten to high school and then onto college. The GOP/conservatives have done very little to change that mindset.  Instead, they have tried to lean more to the middle in order to win votes.  They've cheapened the GOP brand and it absolutely hasn't work.

The only thing I see to do at this time, is to spend the time and money and get behind the Constitution Party or create a conservative 3rd party taking with them conservatives like Cruz, Lee, Meadows, etc.  Unfortunately, I rec'd an e-mail from a group within the Constitution Party that wants to become more in the middle, which is absolutely the worst thing that they could have done.  Cheapening the conservative 'brand' does nothing but make them middle of the road and doesn't clearly define who they are and what makes them the best for this country.  That obviously hasn't worked.
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I agree @skeeter  And this is the "challenge" before us.  But we've got to at least try.  Use Venezuela .... with more than just words.  If memory serves, after 911 the Bush administration reached out to Hollywood writers to help come up with potential new attack scenarios.  Maybe we need to do the same....(I'd go the Christian filmmaker route  happy77) but for help with messaging, history and especially short video clips. 

This election may well be the last chance we'll get to grab these kids before they and their worldview become the majority.

Agree. And @sneakypete is correct, too - we start by ditching the labels. All they do is turn the target audience off before they’ve even heard the argument.

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Agree. And @sneakypete is correct, too - we start by ditching the labels. All they do is turn the target audience off before they’ve even heard the argument.

Trying to accomplish that before the 2020 election is going to be extremely difficult.  Beyond that time, I believe it's too late.
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Trying to accomplish that before the 2020 election is going to be extremely difficult.  Beyond that time, I believe it's too late.

It will take focus ... but it is very doable and can influence the 2020 election.  Jettison the "conservative" label and build on "America First".  Our young will come home.   happy77

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It will take focus ... but it is very doable and can influence the 2020 election.  Jettison the "conservative" label and build on "America First".  Our young will come home.   happy77

Jettison the label all you want, but if conservative principles are abandoned in the process we could lose more than we gain.
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Jettison the label all you want, but if conservative principles are abandoned in the process we could lose more than we gain.

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You mean like "We are Gawd-Fearing people,and only Gawd-Fearing people can be conservatives!"?

Don't blame the left for flushing the word "conservative" down the toilet and making it into a code word for "neo-Nazi control freak". Blame the Bible-Thumpers.
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You mean like "We are Gawd-Fearing people,and only Gawd-Fearing people can be conservatives!"?

Don't blame the left for flushing the word "conservative" down the toilet and making it into a code word for "neo-Nazi control freak". Blame the Bible-Thumpers.

Whatever you say....We all know what you think of people who call themselves Christians.  What I wrote stands.
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Jettison the label all you want, but if conservative principles are abandoned in the process we could lose more than we gain.

I'm not suggesting an abandonment of conservative principles @Cyber Liberty   I'm suggesting we rebrand them.  The "conservative" label is toxic in today's politics.  Insist on keeping the label and we will lose the principles.
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I'm not suggesting an abandonment of conservative principles @Cyber Liberty   I'm suggesting we rebrand them.  The "conservative" label is toxic in today's politics.  Insist on keeping the label and we will lose the principles.

Then I can agree. :beer:
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It will take focus ... but it is very doable and can influence the 2020 election.  Jettison the "conservative" label and build on "America First".  Our young will come home.   happy77

It may very well be doable as you suggest to rebrand the 'conservative label' to America First ... but who is going to spearhead this change?  Who is going to be able to convince the RNC, GOP and RINO idiot Congress to do so??  The idea may be the best idea since sliced bread.  Putting the idea into motion and getting it done before 2020 is quite another.  Good luck with that.
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It may very well be doable as you suggest to rebrand the 'conservative label' to America First ... but who is going to spearhead this change?  Who is going to be able to convince the RNC, GOP and RINO idiot Congress to do so??  The idea may be the best idea since sliced bread.  Putting the idea into motion and getting it done before 2020 is quite another.  Good luck with that.

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We don't need to create the rebranding.  President Trump has built that foundation. The voters were drawn to his policies of low taxes, a strong military, American sovereignty, low regulations and individual freedom, the right to life at any stage, the 2nd Amendment, constitutional judges and the true grit of the American spirit.  He's added "America will never be a socialist nation" to this list and has gained the attention of ever more voters.

Trump did all this, (with the exception of judges), without advertising these principles as "conservative".  And it worked. 

The script is written; all "conservatives" need do is embrace it and run with it.

But concurrent with this, we must, must educate the youngest voting bloc about history and economics.  Their future depends on it.  This is our bigger challenge.


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@roamer_1

And we should start by describing the 2nd Amendment as a fundamental aspect of a free people,instead of calling it "conservative".  Right or wrong,the word "conservative" leaves a dirt ring in the ears of most people under 50 because they have been trained to think all their lives that conservatives want slavery and the freedom to murder anyone they want at any time without question.

We need to remind the people that it was the LIBERAL Founding Fathers who thought that individual freedoms were so important that the prime tools necessary to insure a free people could remain free,instead of being disarmed and becoming servants of the government.

Meanwhile,the word "liberal" means you are open-minded,fair,and loving. Which is why I NEVER refer to a leftist as a "liberal". Just because they stole and misuse that word for propaganda reasons doesn't mean I am required to help them sell their lie.


I so agree. Conservatism sounds like a dirty word.  I am beginning to dislike it.  I would say I am very conservative, as I wanted to be a NUN..when younger.  Very pure. More pure than most.  Virgin when I married, NEVER felt up,  or even allowed kissing on a date. I did not lie.  I had to teach myself my the, white lie, to survive.  As teenager, when girls asked for my lipstick, I gave them it, as I had it.  I hated that because every woman knows, it messes up the slant of your lipstick. Which I hated. When I finally learned to lie and say, 'I didn't have one"..I said a quick prayer, asking God to forgive my lie. Venial sin.   I've come a long way baby!  My husbands complaint about me was that, I was too wholesome and good.  In the mean time, he had many, many affairs on me. NOW, today, I am practical. COMMON SENSE. I can mostly tell, who is a cheater, liar, and a bit goofy.  Actually studying human behavior for 30+ years helped too.  I can tell very quickly, who a person..IS. Call it a curse. We need PRACTICAL. COMMON SENSE BELIEFS. 


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And we should start by describing the 2nd Amendment as a fundamental aspect of a free people,instead of calling it "conservative".  Right or wrong,the word "conservative" leaves a dirt ring in the ears of most people under 50 because they have been trained to think all their lives that conservatives want slavery and the freedom to murder anyone they want at any time without question.

We need to remind the people that it was the LIBERAL Founding Fathers who thought that individual freedoms were so important that the prime tools necessary to insure a free people could remain free,instead of being disarmed and becoming servants of the government.

Meanwhile,the word "liberal" means you are open-minded,fair,and loving. Which is why I NEVER refer to a leftist as a "liberal". Just because they stole and misuse that word for propaganda reasons doesn't mean I am required to help them sell their lie.

Sorry, @sneakypete , I ain't changing the name for the sake of rebranding. Nor am I going to screw with those principles at all, including the protection of the Judeo-Christian Ethic.

Conservatism is Conservatism. It don't need a change nor does it need a hyphen. What it needs is a party that defends it instead of a party that gives it lip-service and then undermines it every way it can.

This ain't tiddly-winks.

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Agree. And @sneakypete is correct, too - we start by ditching the labels. All they do is turn the target audience off before they’ve even heard the argument.

NOPE. Defend the principles. And preach them.

This is the point of departure that splits this board.

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@Cyber Liberty

You mean like "We are Gawd-Fearing people,and only Gawd-Fearing people can be conservatives!"?

Don't blame the left for flushing the word "conservative" down the toilet and making it into a code word for "neo-Nazi control freak". Blame the Bible-Thumpers.



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It will take focus ... but it is very doable and can influence the 2020 election.  Jettison the "conservative" label and build on "America First".  Our young will come home.   happy77

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Jettison the label all you want, but if conservative principles are abandoned in the process we could lose more than we gain.

To include Conservatives, who are walking away in droves.

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We don't need to create the rebranding.  President Trump has built that foundation.

Tumpy is NOT a conservative, nor does he  espouse Conservatism, nor anything LIKE Conservatism.

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It will take focus ... but it is very doable and can influence the 2020 election.  Jettison the "conservative" label and build on "America First".  Our young will come home.   happy77
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.  It worked for the "liberals" when they became "progressive."  We were all fooled.  /sarc

I'm sad to see the ideology of conservatism has lost all meaning of what I used to think it was.  I used to think conservatism stood for fiscal responsibility, restricting government encroachment upon our Constitutional freedoms, compassionate concern for the working class, and a strong military. 

I don't know how the GOP gets that kind of mind numbed naivete back?  President Trump and the GOP have no intention of checking their spending, checking the President's expansionist and soon to be ruled illegal Executive Orders, checking the President's disastrous trade tariffs, or delaying his disastrous foreign policy strategy with Russia, North Korea, and Syria.  All of these will have huge repercussions for my children.

But yeah.  Call the GOP philosophy something other than conservatism.  That horse is dead.
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Tumpy is NOT a conservative, nor does he  espouse Conservatism, nor anything LIKE Conservatism.

Sweetie, you're proving my point.  The truth is Donald Trump is governing as the most conservative president since Ronald Reagan.  And Trump has awakened the American spirit and pride in her heritage in a way that would make Reagan stand and applaud in appreciation---because Trump's hill was steeper to climb thanks to 35 years of intense social changes.

But you can't seem to see any of this because you're focus is entirely on the "c" label.  Let it go.  The word "conservative" is toxic in politics today.  Insist on it and you will forfeit the principles.

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Sweetie, you're proving my point.  The truth is Donald Trump is governing as the most conservative president since Ronald Reagan.  And Trump has awakened the American spirit and pride in her heritage in a way that would make Reagan stand and applaud in appreciation---because Trump's hill was steeper to climb thanks to 35 years of intense social changes.

But you can't seem to see any of this because you're focus is entirely on the "c" label.  Let it go.  The word "conservative" is toxic in politics today.  Insist on it and you will forfeit the principles.

HOW WOULD YOU KNOW @Right_in_Virginia ? We have already had this conversation, wherein you admitted that you don't even know what Conservatism IS - Yet you feel yourself qualified to arbitrate the quality of Tumpy's supposed 'conservatism'.

No damn sale.  **nononono* *****rollingeyes*****

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We don't need to create the rebranding.  President Trump has built that foundation. The voters were drawn to his policies of low taxes, a strong military, American sovereignty, low regulations and individual freedom, the right to life at any stage, the 2nd Amendment, constitutional judges and the true grit of the American spirit.  He's added "America will never be a socialist nation" to this list and has gained the attention of ever more voters.

Trump did all this, (with the exception of judges), without advertising these principles as "conservative".  And it worked. 

The script is written; all "conservatives" need do is embrace it and run with it.

But concurrent with this, we must, must educate the youngest voting bloc about history and economics.  Their future depends on it.  This is our bigger challenge.

 "All conservatives need to do is embrace it and run with it".  The point I am making is who is going to get those conservatives to embrace it and run with it, all before the 2020 election??  Secondly, there are many RINO's that need to be replaced before we can see a further shift towards conservatism and increasing the conservative voting base.  Just not going to happen in time for the next election. 

As for the sovereignty of our country, that is what he sold, and what the voters bought, but it's not what's happening right now.  We are at a breaking point at the border.  The bill that he signed allows states to opt out of a barrier.  You cannot secure the border when there are miles of border still wide open. 

Yes ... the message got out ... but the promise was unable to be kept.  That's not going to bode so well at the voting booth. Secondly a lot of Congress, just plain don't like him.  They're not going to take that message and run with it.  His saving grace ironically may be people like AOC who are so far to the left that they make Trump look more conservative.  That may draw some more GOP votes, but may not be enough.
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Yes ... the message got out ... but the promise was unable to be kept.  That's not going to bode so well at the voting booth. 

Well, certainly not for the RINOs.   happy77
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Well, certainly not for the RINOs.   happy77

Then ... the DEM wins.  Problem is there aren't conservatives getting nominated to replace the RINO's.  That's a huge problem.  So in many cases it's a choice between a RINO or a DEM.  Why vote?
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