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Re: Holder says next Dem president should consider packing courts
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2019, 08:23:59 AM »
That was then, and this is now when openly avowed socialists are elected to Congress.

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Uhhhh,Comrade Franklin and his commie cousin-wife weren't openly avowed socialists?

REALLY?

It was during the excessively long reign of those two that America quit being America.
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Re: Holder says next Dem president should consider packing courts
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2019, 08:26:10 AM »
You make pointless points and then try to insult me?  Again...whatever.

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Uhhh,just because they are pointless to you,doesn't mean they are pointless.
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Re: Holder says next Dem president should consider packing courts
« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2019, 08:31:05 AM »
So, is he saying the "republicans" should pack the court now?

I have a hard time following lawyers' arguments.   I wanted to go to law school, but my grades weren't low enough.
You realize you are talking about the professions of most of our Congress, don't you/
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Re: Holder says next Dem president should consider packing courts
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2019, 08:37:37 AM »
Here we go again.  It’s unfortunate the Founders did not specify the number of justices on the Supreme Court in the Constitution.

Exactly.  I was thinking that the DEMS would impose term limits, but I see them packing the courts instead.  It would still take an act of Congress and the President signing?  Once the DEMS have a full majority (and they eventually will), I anticipate that they will, along with changing the electoral process.
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Re: Holder says next Dem president should consider packing courts
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2019, 08:39:16 AM »
I am sure The Donald will keep this advice in mind in
his remaining 6 years.

:)

With a DEM majority in the House, I don't see that happening.
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Re: Holder says next Dem president should consider packing courts
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2019, 08:43:21 AM »
With a DEM majority in the House, I don't see that happening.

My gut is telling me that the current situation is extremely temporary

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Re: Holder says next Dem president should consider packing courts
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2019, 08:49:51 AM »
My gut is telling me that the current situation is extremely temporary

I'm not worried so much about 2020.  I'm more worried about 2024.  My gut tells me we will then see a full DEM majority.
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Re: Holder says next Dem president should consider packing courts
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2019, 08:53:05 AM »
I'm not worried so much about 2020.  I'm more worried about 2024.  My gut tells me we will then see a full DEM majority.

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IMNSHO,it all depends of if we get the border wall put up,and how serious we get about bouncing non-citizens out of the country so they can't vote here.

If we fail at either,America is OVER.
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Re: Holder says next Dem president should consider packing courts
« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2019, 09:45:53 AM »
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Uhhh,just because they are pointless to you,doesn't mean they are pointless.

In this case it does.
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Re: Holder says next Dem president should consider packing courts
« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2019, 09:53:11 AM »
So, is he saying the "republicans" should pack the court now?

I have a hard time following lawyers' arguments.   I wanted to go to law school, but my grades weren't low enough.

That’s not what he’s saying, but it’s certainly an invitation.  However, I believe that would require Congress to amend the law to increase the number first, so that’s probably not going to happen right now.

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Re: Holder says next Dem president should consider packing courts
« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2019, 05:42:50 PM »
You realize you are talking about the professions of most of our Congress, don't you/
Seems like a conflict of interest to me. They are just laying the groundwork for more lawyering.
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Re: Holder says next Dem president should consider packing courts
« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2019, 10:12:12 PM »
My gut is telling me that the current situation is extremely temporary
I believe this graph shows how their rule may end.  This trend is unsustainable as it shows the radicalism of the party which is accelerating.

Sorry ladies, but liberalism is coming mostly from the women serving in Congress.  Wish we could see more conservative women coming forth.

You know who you are.

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Re: Holder says next Dem president should consider packing courts
« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2019, 10:18:26 PM »
Seems like a conflict of interest to me. They are just laying the groundwork for more lawyering.
Absolutely.  The lawyer on the other thread has been arguing for more legislation and litigation as the solution to fighting.

Seems a self-interest in seeking importance in that profession to me, something a free people does not need.
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Re: Holder says next Dem president should consider packing courts
« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2019, 10:43:19 PM »
Absolutely.  The lawyer on the other thread has been arguing for more legislation and litigation as the solution to fighting.

Seems a self-interest in seeking importance in that profession to me, something a free people does not need.
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Re: Holder says next Dem president should consider packing courts
« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2019, 10:47:36 PM »
Seems like a conflict of interest to me. They are just laying the groundwork for more lawyering.

Some years ago I wrote a piece about this very subject that got quite a bit of attention at the time.  I should still have it around here somewhere and will try to find it over the weekend.

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Re: Holder says next Dem president should consider packing courts
« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2019, 10:53:53 PM »
I am sure The Donald will keep this advice in mind in
his remaining 6 years.

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Re: Holder says next Dem president should consider packing courts
« Reply #41 on: March 08, 2019, 11:01:18 PM »
Eric Holder need's to be in jail for FAST AND FURIOUS and Benghazi.  It is said, he was there too, in Benghazi gun running, that is why they had to k!ll those 4, there.  Allow them to die a horrible death. Torture, castration, burning, cutting,
sodomizing the men to death. Obama used E.A. to protect Holder.  NO MORE DEMON-RAT PRESIDENTS!   Eric Holder using tax dollars for riots in Chicago. Promoting riots.  Do people want that baloney...AGAIN?  I DON'T.

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Re: Holder says next Dem president should consider packing courts
« Reply #42 on: March 12, 2019, 04:01:50 PM »
You realize you are talking about the professions of most of our Congress, don't you/

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Seems like a conflict of interest to me. They are just laying the groundwork for more lawyering.



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Some years ago I wrote a piece about this very subject that got quite a bit of attention at the time.  I should still have it around here somewhere and will try to find it over the weekend.


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I couldn't find the piece I wrote over at TOS back when Bill Clinton was president,  but it was definitely based on the following quote from Federalist 47 and my firm belief that it is a patent conflict of interest for practicing lawyers to serve in the legislatures.  They are all officers of the court and thus members of the judicial branch of government. It is impossible to have three separate and distinct branches of government with lawyers serving in at least two (sometimes in the past it has been all three) branches.


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Re: Holder says next Dem president should consider packing courts
« Reply #43 on: March 12, 2019, 04:24:42 PM »
Electing people who aren't lawyers to the legislature just might make for some plain text, understandable laws, devoid of the nuances that are used to say the law doesn't say what it says. Then we can go back and read the plain language of the Constitution and make some reasonable decisions about what it says (especially in the light of the supportive documentation in the Federalist). When the logic of the various and oft contended phrases is in question, it only makes sense to rely on the contemporaneous information written to explain the Constitution to the People, not on the legal fantasies of judges who pay the document and original intent little heed.
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Re: Holder says next Dem president should consider packing courts
« Reply #44 on: March 12, 2019, 04:33:56 PM »
Electing people who aren't lawyers to the legislature just might make for some plain text, understandable laws, devoid of the nuances that are used to say the law doesn't say what it says. Then we can go back and read the plain language of the Constitution and make some reasonable decisions about what it says (especially in the light of the supportive documentation in the Federalist). When the logic of the various and oft contended phrases is in question, it only makes sense to rely on the contemporaneous information written to explain the Constitution to the People, not on the legal fantasies of judges who pay the document and original intent little heed.

Some years ago a very good friend (a practicing attorney) came to me and told me that he had decided he was going to run for a seat in the Texas legislature.  I invited him to lunch the next day and explained to him why I could not, in good conscience, support that effort but would do everything in my power to help him should he decide to run for a judgeship somewhere (we elect them in Texas).  To make a long story short, he is still serving as a State District Court Judge today.


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