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Why Never Trumpers Will Never Shut Up - Kurt Schlichter
« on: March 07, 2019, 02:33:23 pm »
Why Never Trumpers Will Never Shut Up
Kurt Schlichter

There are not that many Never Trumpers anymore, though the media (and the remnant Never Trumpers) try to fool you into thinking so. The honest Never Trumpers, the ones who thought that this orange New York real estate developer with the succession of hot wives was not a real conservative and would betray us the first chance he got, have evolved. It turns out that Donald Trump is the most consistently and effectively conservative president since Reagan. The Never Trumpers who weren’t in on the scam noticed his track record of conservative success and morphed.

Some became actively pro-Trump. I fit in there, as the first chapter of my book Militant Normals describes. Now, I was anti-Trump, not Never Trump, since I was already Never Jeb! and Never Felonia Milhous von Pantsuit and you can only have so many nevers in your life. Trump earned my support with his consistent and remarkable conservative achievements, so he got it. I am now an advocate, highlighting his successes, much as I do as a lawyer for clients. There are plenty of folks ready to highlight his missteps, and I seek his success.

Others are still freaked out about his pugnacious, allegedly unseemly manner (which I and others consider a strong plus), and they became merely Trump Neutral. Many of them fret about his mean tweets and wish he had the quiet dignity that the rest of us associate with failures like George W. Bush – you know, the kind of Republicans Democrats love in retrospect. These are the folks who “call balls and strikes,” criticize him where they oppose him and support him (sometimes grudgingly) when he does something they like. Fair enough – you have to follow your principles, assuming you have any.

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Re: Why Never Trumpers Will Never Shut Up - Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2019, 02:41:17 pm »
Essence of Schlichter's comments:

"All Never Trumpers (I, GP,  voted for Trump) we hereby command you to bow down and worship his Royal Orangeness aka He Who Has Never Made A Mistake...and if he did, you have no right to criticize him for it. Because he is perfect in every way. And even if he's not....SHUT UP!!!! Because we don't like anything less than complete loyalty and submission to The Donald."

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Re: Why Never Trumpers Will Never Shut Up - Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2019, 02:48:34 pm »
Any time we (as a society as a whole) are told we must 'shut up' about those in power- no matter what side of the spectrum we are on, that is the time we must speak the loudest.

We should never give blind and silent allegiance to a government authority. They represent us, they don't rule us, so our voices must always be loud, never silent. When they try to compel you to 'shut up' is when they want to rule, not represent.

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Re: Why Never Trumpers Will Never Shut Up - Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2019, 03:07:17 pm »
Essence of Schlichter's comments:

"All Never Trumpers (I, GP,  voted for Trump) we hereby command you to bow down and worship his Royal Orangeness aka He Who Has Never Made A Mistake...and if he did, you have no right to criticize him for it. Because he is perfect in every way. And even if he's not....SHUT UP!!!! Because we don't like anything less than complete loyalty and submission to The Donald."

Its a bit more nuanced than that. In fact what he says makes alot of sense - Trump's critics understandably fall into several general catagories, and Schlicter kinda offhandedly grants them that. NT'ers, he says, are a 'tiny group' who's gravy train got derailed by Trump's election. There can be no denying this.
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Re: Why Never Trumpers Will Never Shut Up - Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2019, 03:12:58 pm »
Any time we (as a society as a whole) are told we must 'shut up' about those in power- no matter what side of the spectrum we are on, that is the time we must speak the loudest.

We should never give blind and silent allegiance to a government authority. They represent us, they don't rule us, so our voices must always be loud, never silent. When they try to compel you to 'shut up' is when they want to rule, not represent.

Is THAT what you're doing, ABX?   Speaking the loudest because somebody pointed out that you and your associates are just a big crybaby pain-in-the-ass...who's too stubborn to admit your assessment(s) are and have been wrong for over 3 years?

...asking for a FRiend.   :cool:
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Re: Why Never Trumpers Will Never Shut Up - Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2019, 03:16:36 pm »
It turns out that Donald Trump is the most consistently and effectively conservative president since Reagan. The Never Trumpers who weren’t in on the scam noticed his track record of conservative success and morphed.


That's a damn lie right there... even though the very low bar. Give this chooch another term and he'll make Dubya look like Coolidge.

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Re: Why Never Trumpers Will Never Shut Up - Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2019, 03:19:39 pm »
Its a bit more nuanced than that. In fact what he says makes alot of sense - Trump's critics understandably fall into several general catagories, and Schlicter kinda offhandedly grants them that. NT'ers, he says, are a 'tiny group' who's gravy train got derailed by Trump's election. There can be no denying this.

That's how I see it as well @skeeter .
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Re: Why Never Trumpers Will Never Shut Up - Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2019, 03:20:46 pm »
Speaking the loudest because somebody pointed out that you and your associates are just a big crybaby pain-in-the-ass...who's too stubborn to admit your assessment(s) are and have been wrong for over 3 years?

Pot... kettle...

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Re: Why Never Trumpers Will Never Shut Up - Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2019, 03:22:05 pm »
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Re: Why Never Trumpers Will Never Shut Up - Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2019, 03:30:11 pm »
Is THAT what you're doing, ABX?   Speaking the loudest because somebody pointed out that you and your associates are just a big crybaby pain-in-the-ass...who's too stubborn to admit your assessment(s) are and have been wrong for over 3 years?

...asking for a FRiend.   :cool:

Wrong, really?

Debt is at record levels, rising faster than when under Obama.  The second amendment is under attack. Planned Parenthood's funding has increased and the latest budget bill the president signed put in safeguards for them. The North Korea talks we're a failure. They got us to pull a carrier group out and stop war games with the South while they, shock, continued to build up heir facilities. (Never negotiate with terrorist states). Oh, and the glorious wall- a whole 11 miles have been built (or at least in the process) so at this rate it will take 75 years and 10x the projected cost. He has turned the Right into a big government populist movement demanding big government solutions.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Yeah, we we're really wrong.

That's why we won't shut up. We won't whitewash liberalism and pretend things are going the right direction.
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Re: Why Never Trumpers Will Never Shut Up - Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2019, 03:33:33 pm »
Wrong, really?

Debt is at record levels, rising faster than when under Obama.  The second amendment is under attack. Planned Parenthood's funding has increased and the latest budget bill the president signed put in safeguards for them. The North Korea talks we're a failure. They got us to pull a carrier group out and stop war games with the South while they, shock, continued to build up heir facilities. (Never negotiate with terrorist states). Oh, and the glorious wall- a whole 11 miles have been built (or at least in the process) so at this rate it will take 75 years and 10x the projected cost. He has turned the Right into a big government populist movement demanding big government solutions.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Yeah, we we're really wrong.

That's why we won't shut up. We won't whitewash liberalism and pretend things are going the right direction.

I am not quite that critical, but DJT's allowing the deficit to baloon another $2T is almost criminal.  And he has the balls to call himself a republican.
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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2019, 03:40:08 pm »
Its a bit more nuanced than that. In fact what he says makes alot of sense - Trump's critics understandably fall into several general catagories, and Schlicter kinda offhandedly grants them that. NT'ers, he says, are a 'tiny group' who's gravy train got derailed by Trump's election. There can be no denying this.

Some people are too prideful to admit that they are wrong about anything – much less about a man they spent the last four years attacking unmercifully in the harshest manner imaginable. It would require a great strength of character to suppress the resultant overwhelming cognitive dissonance when reality and history proves them wrong.

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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2019, 03:41:23 pm »
The essay contains way too many broad generalizations. Bill Kristol and the Bulwark NTers are a joke, but it doesn't mean reasonable and temperate actual conservatives have no right to criticize the president or his policies. Sometimes Schlichter's "hair on fire" style isn't helpful.
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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2019, 03:42:45 pm »
Some people are too prideful to admit that they are wrong about anything – much less about a man they spent the last four years attacking unmercifully in the harshest manner imaginable. It would require a great strength of character to suppress the resultant overwhelming cognitive dissonance.

It would but imagine if, as a political hack/commentator, the election of the outlier took away your rice bowl. Chances are you'd really be pissed.

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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2019, 03:44:02 pm »
The essay contains way too many broad generalizations. Bill Kristol and the Bulwark NTers are a joke, but it doesn't mean reasonable and temperate actual conservatives have no right to criticize the president or his policies. Sometimes Schlichter's "hair on fire" style isn't helpful.

Thus the mindset, that if anyone, I mean who anyone remotely criticizes a Trump policy or anything Trump does is branded as a NT.

The Koolaid never tasted so orangey!!!!
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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2019, 03:49:14 pm »
By the same token, if we applaud something the president has done, it doesn't mean we're drinking the Kool-Aid or worshiping his supposed orangeness. There's hyperbole on all sides, and it's tiresome.
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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2019, 03:51:32 pm »
By the same token, if we applaud something the president has done, it doesn't mean we're drinking the Kool-Aid or worshiping his supposed orangeness. There's hyperbole on all sides, and it's tiresome.

Well said @mountaineer! And VERY true!
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« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2019, 03:55:15 pm »
There's hyperbole on all sides, and it's tiresome.

Gads ain't that the truth.

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Re: Why Never Trumpers Will Never Shut Up - Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2019, 03:56:25 pm »
By the same token, if we applaud something the president has done, it doesn't mean we're drinking the Kool-Aid or worshiping his supposed orangeness. There's hyperbole on all sides, and it's tiresome.

Whadderya talking about? If I applaud him at ALL, it is summarily ignored.

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Re: Why Never Trumpers Will Never Shut Up - Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2019, 03:57:30 pm »
The essay contains way too many broad generalizations. Bill Kristol and the Bulwark NTers are a joke, but it doesn't mean reasonable and temperate actual conservatives have no right to criticize the president or his policies. Sometimes Schlichter's "hair on fire" style isn't helpful.

It’s one thing to criticize policy, quite another to jump on Trump after every piece of garbage, fake news story, which is about 95% of daily media content today – hate Trump, destroy him fake news.

It takes a fair minded person to keep their powder dry during the innuendo and rumor stage of most news stories, which, unfortunately, hardcore NeverTrumpers lack.

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« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2019, 03:58:16 pm »
By the same token, if we applaud something the president has done, it doesn't mean we're drinking the Kool-Aid or worshiping his supposed orangeness. There's hyperbole on all sides, and it's tiresome.

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« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2019, 04:26:15 pm »
Wrong, really?

Debt is at record levels, rising faster than when under Obama.  The second amendment is under attack. Planned Parenthood's funding has increased and the latest budget bill the president signed put in safeguards for them. The North Korea talks we're a failure. They got us to pull a carrier group out and stop war games with the South while they, shock, continued to build up heir facilities. (Never negotiate with terrorist states). Oh, and the glorious wall- a whole 11 miles have been built (or at least in the process) so at this rate it will take 75 years and 10x the projected cost. He has turned the Right into a big government populist movement demanding big government solutions.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.


Yeah, we we're really wrong.

That's why we won't shut up. We won't whitewash liberalism and pretend things are going the right direction.

Add to that.... the deliberately orchestrated disaster and ongoing invasion on our southern border that STILL has not been stopped.... and more and more is looking like it never will be.... especially considering that the 'declaration of a national emergency' attempt will probably be thwarted by Congress.  So I would have to say that the ONLY "effectively conservative" things Trump has done is to help the US Military.  A rare thing if you look at how the rats decimated the military over the past decade.  But still.... we need a helluva lot more results than just that.   Reduced taxes and regulations can and WILL be reversed as soon as the rats take control again... so nothing really is giving me much hope here.   Hell, if this is all we have to show for two years of control of all three branches of government, it's not real reassuring going into 2020... even "if" the GOP could regain that control.  Big fricking if.
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Re: Why Never Trumpers Will Never Shut Up - Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2019, 05:50:58 pm »
I saw this on Twitter and wondered how long it would take to get posted here, lol.
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« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2019, 06:02:06 pm »
Its a bit more nuanced than that. In fact what he says makes alot of sense - Trump's critics understandably fall into several general catagories, and Schlicter kinda offhandedly grants them that. NT'ers, he says, are a 'tiny group' who's gravy train got derailed by Trump's election. There can be no denying this.
I've read enough of Schlichter's columns to realize that he one of the those Trump worshippers who just can't believe anybody could have a reasonable objection to Trump.
While I don't buy into the NeverTrumpers' beliefs that abstaining from a flawed president like Trump for a scheming, lying, bi*ch like Hillary Clinton is somehow honorable, no president is immune from criticism.
And I've read enough columns from a neverTrumpers to know they're far more conservative than Trump.
What they understand, and many Trumpists don't, is that he won't be president forever.
What comes after Trump? There is no Trump II on the horizon....and no, not any of his kids.
It seems many Trumpists believe they're hardheaded realists and screw conservative philosophy, but a hard set of principles is what sustains parties and conservatives.
Trump has done some good things and some questionable things. We won't know all the ramifications of what he's done  for years later.
I will vote for Trump in 2020 because the Dems are now a totally irresponsible, immoral threat to the country and the future.
But don't expect me to love Trump. That isn't going to happen.
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Re: Why Never Trumpers Will Never Shut Up - Kurt Schlichter
« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2019, 07:16:21 pm »
NeverTrumpers misjudged Donald Trump from the start and they did so because they were heavily swayed by the overwhelming onslaught of attacks by news media and politicos on his motives, his character, values, honesty, even his allegiance to country. Most all of it bogus.

So, yeah, media has the power to persuade and to convince, especially in the political times in which we live. The newspapers of old didn’t have the power and reach to do what the media can do today in it’s incestuous, one-sided relationship with politics and government.