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« Reply #50 on: March 11, 2019, 04:38:18 PM »
Trump just lost my vote.

I am so tired of hearing we need more foreign workers in the USA, while we jettison Americans from their jobs for low salary foreign workers.

TRUMP HAS BETRAYED AMERICA WITH THIS POSITION.  HE IS NOW PART OF THE ANTI AMERICAN SWAMP THAT WANTS AMERICA SUBSEVIENT TO THE NWO.

America is lost.

This isn't exactly flattering, but remember that the man will say things, float ideas, and then come back and change them at a later date.  Don't get too excited just yet.  But, keep your powder dry in case it is needed.

Either way, I do agree that America is lost. 
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Re: Trump calls for more immigration
« Reply #51 on: March 11, 2019, 04:42:32 PM »
I'm sure the head of the Chamber of Commerce is smiling at this.  I'm not sure that American workers who are not gonna get a job because lower paid workers from foreign countries get the positions will be as thrilled.
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Re: Trump calls for more immigration
« Reply #52 on: March 11, 2019, 04:48:00 PM »
Trump just lost my vote.

I am so tired of hearing we need more foreign workers in the USA, while we jettison Americans from their jobs for low salary foreign workers.

TRUMP HAS BETRAYED AMERICA WITH THIS POSITION.  HE IS NOW PART OF THE ANTI AMERICAN SWAMP THAT WANTS AMERICA SUBSEVIENT TO THE NWO.

America is lost.

Well, then maybe he's gained mine.   One of his most worrying positions was his seeming opposition to even legal immigration.   Legal immigration is absolutely essential if we are to sustain economic growth.   The native-born aren't reproducing in sufficient numbers to sustain the economy over time.   The clear solution is increased immigration, to keep American employers competitive.     

It is crucial to distinguish the problem of illegal immigration from the opportunity of legal immigration.    Open up the big beautiful door, Mr. President!   
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« Reply #53 on: March 11, 2019, 04:50:29 PM »
Well, then maybe he's gained mine.   One of his most worrying positions was his seeming opposition to even legal immigration.   Legal immigration is absolutely essential if we are to sustain economic growth.   The native-born aren't reproducing in sufficient numbers to sustain the economy over time.   The clear solution is increased immigration, to keep American employers competitive.     

It is crucial to distinguish the problem of illegal immigration from the opportunity of legal immigration.    Open up the big beautiful door, Mr. President!   

So you're perfectly fine with the people getting H1B visa's taking jobs from American citizens for sometimes half of what an American worker with the same skills would make?

How progressive of you.
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« Reply #54 on: March 11, 2019, 05:43:37 PM »
Well, then maybe he's gained mine.   One of his most worrying positions was his seeming opposition to even legal immigration.   Legal immigration is absolutely essential if we are to sustain economic growth.   The native-born aren't reproducing in sufficient numbers to sustain the economy over time.   The clear solution is increased immigration, to keep American employers competitive.     

It is crucial to distinguish the problem of illegal immigration from the opportunity of legal immigration.    Open up the big beautiful door, Mr. President!   
Well, that's simple. Just get the MSM to quit calling illegals "immigrants" and call them the gate crashers they are.
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Re: Trump calls for more immigration
« Reply #55 on: March 11, 2019, 05:47:35 PM »
Jazzhead ...."Well, then maybe he's gained mine.   One of his most worrying positions was his seeming opposition to even legal immigration.   Legal immigration is absolutely essential if we are to sustain economic growth.   The native-born aren't reproducing in sufficient numbers to sustain the economy over time.   The clear solution is increased immigration, to keep American employers competitive. "

I support legal immigration, but only if the needs of Americans are addressed first, and we have said firetruck the American people.  That's right, to bring in foreign labor at half the cost and no benefits to displace American workers should be illegal.  But with the traitor Trump, we are going to get more of the same.  Coulter is right on the money to call out this charlatan.

We have a real race now for president.  Trump is self destructing and betraying the very people he claims to support.

And Jazzhead, your clear solution is NOT the only solution.  In Russia, the population is declining rapidly largely due to HIV/AIDS, a deadly version of TB, and to the 60% alcoholism with the men in the country.  Putin has resorted to paying out $5,000 with the birth of each new baby, what once was about $200.  And that amount will continue to increase to get birth rates up in Russia.  Rather than importing foreigners into the USA, most of whom are low skilled workers, just provide greater incentives for families to stay together and have babies.

If the USA provided a $25,000 deduction per child for household where both parents reside together, we would have a whole lot more births.  Instead, we are following the route of Russia, killing our babies with an act of mass genocide, and allowing people to pour into the country to make up for the shortfall. 

Why eliminating abortion alone would solve the problem too.  That would result in 1 million more Americans being born.  Eliminating abortion could be considered a national emergency.  Point is, there a number of ways to solve the problem, but again, the NWO gets in the way.  These are people interested in global domination and not the sovereignty of the USA. 

Until we deal with the NWO pukes, which is basically to identify them as traitors and deal with them harshly, the USA will continue to decline to 3rd world nation status.  Frankly, I thought Trump was a champion for that fight, but he has clearly folded and is a puppet like those before him since and including daddy Bush.

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Re: Trump calls for more immigration
« Reply #56 on: March 11, 2019, 06:04:26 PM »
Well, that's simple. Just get the MSM to quit calling illegals "immigrants" and call them the gate crashers they are.

Considering that they are now coming 'en masse'.... I'd call them invaders....   :patriot:

with a few demons sprinkled in to create more chaos.   :smokin:
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« Reply #57 on: March 11, 2019, 06:37:12 PM »
Jazzhead ...."Well, then maybe he's gained mine.   One of his most worrying positions was his seeming opposition to even legal immigration.   Legal immigration is absolutely essential if we are to sustain economic growth.   The native-born aren't reproducing in sufficient numbers to sustain the economy over time.   The clear solution is increased immigration, to keep American employers competitive. "

I support legal immigration, but only if the needs of Americans are addressed first, and we have said firetruck the American people. That's right, to bring in foreign labor at half the cost and no benefits to displace American workers should be illegal.  But with the traitor Trump, we are going to get more of the same.  Coulter is right on the money to call out this charlatan.

We have a real race now for president.  Trump is self destructing and betraying the very people he claims to support.

And Jazzhead, your clear solution is NOT the only solution.  In Russia, the population is declining rapidly largely due to HIV/AIDS, a deadly version of TB, and to the 60% alcoholism with the men in the country.  Putin has resorted to paying out $5,000 with the birth of each new baby, what once was about $200.  And that amount will continue to increase to get birth rates up in Russia.  Rather than importing foreigners into the USA, most of whom are low skilled workers, just provide greater incentives for families to stay together and have babies.

If the USA provided a $25,000 deduction per child for household where both parents reside together, we would have a whole lot more births.  Instead, we are following the route of Russia, killing our babies with an act of mass genocide, and allowing people to pour into the country to make up for the shortfall. 

Why eliminating abortion alone would solve the problem too.  That would result in 1 million more Americans being born.  Eliminating abortion could be considered a national emergency.  Point is, there a number of ways to solve the problem, but again, the NWO gets in the way.  These are people interested in global domination and not the sovereignty of the USA. 

Until we deal with the NWO pukes, which is basically to identify them as traitors and deal with them harshly, the USA will continue to decline to 3rd world nation status.  Frankly, I thought Trump was a champion for that fight, but he has clearly folded and is a puppet like those before him since and including daddy Bush.

The economic argument only works if you don't consider the US to be a unique and "good" nation.  Any and all immigrants, whether legal or not, tend to create changes in their new residence.  Some may be for better, but, in the way of this world, most are not.  We have so many new and/or unassimilated people living here, continuing to maintain the US as the "bright shining city on the hill" is next to impossible. We need to back way off on immigration for some time and send those home who do not want to become legal, contributing, ideological, educated Americans. 
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Re: Trump calls for more immigration
« Reply #58 on: March 11, 2019, 07:30:37 PM »
Until the H1-b Visa Program is ended, and there is a logical process for dealing with illegal invading aliens, our sovereignty will continue to erode away.  And that is just fine with the NWO pukes.

Americans being terminated from their jobs, being forced to train their foreign low wage replacements, it is not American to treat our people that way.  And now that Trump has jumped on the train to increase this nonsense, I cannot believe I am saying this, for me, that is am impeachable offense.

So, impeach the self serving miscreant, and do the American people a favor.  I just don't expect much better from Pence.

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Re: Trump calls for more immigration
« Reply #59 on: March 11, 2019, 07:41:09 PM »
The clear solution is increased immigration, to keep American employers competitive.     

No, the clear solution is to stop killing our babies.

I don't believe there is any sort of labor crisis - but I thought I'd get that in there.  :seeya:

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« Reply #60 on: March 11, 2019, 07:53:16 PM »
Plus, the real number no longer counted out of the work force are people with skills who have been replaced by people willing to work for half the income and no benefits.  Most of these positions are white collar high paying positions, and yet no one represents them in our society, so corporations like Disney feel they have a free hand to do as they please.

When Trump indicated during his campaign that he would eliminate the H1-b Visa Program, I thought the American people finally had a champion to represent their interests.  I am so tired of hearing about illegal invading alien rights, etc, to be faced with more legal aliens stealing jobs from American citizens, thereby lowering salaries even further in America, and Donald Trump supports this b*llsh*t...I SAY IMPEACH THE BUM!

This one aw-sh*t is not worth keeping the bugger.  And in fact, it reveals his real mindset of screwing the American people.  His rhetoric is empty and now meaningless, and I was one of the faithful.  No longer.

He has no intention of making America great.

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« Reply #61 on: March 11, 2019, 07:55:50 PM »
Trump just lost my vote.

TRUMP HAS BETRAYED AMERICA WITH THIS POSITION.  HE IS NOW PART OF THE ANTI AMERICAN SWAMP THAT WANTS AMERICA SUBSEVIENT TO THE NWO.


Oh, and btw, We told you so... (Not really... I never told !YOU! so... just trying it out...)




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Re: Trump calls for more immigration
« Reply #62 on: March 11, 2019, 08:05:34 PM »
Well, then maybe he's gained mine.   One of his most worrying positions was his seeming opposition to even legal immigration.   Legal immigration is absolutely essential if we are to sustain economic growth.   The native-born aren't reproducing in sufficient numbers to sustain the economy over time.   The clear solution is increased immigration, to keep American employers competitive.     

It is crucial to distinguish the problem of illegal immigration from the opportunity of legal immigration.    Open up the big beautiful door, Mr. President!   

@Jazzhead be careful what you wish for.  Our doors have never been closed under this President.  Our border is NOT secured by any means and we have all kinds of ILLEGALS, i.e., MS13, terrorists, rapists, murders, etc., pouring over our borders.  We the taxpayers now have to support them either in prison or with a welfare benefit of some sort.  Meanwhile our citizens are increasingly becoming targets.  This is definitely not what I want for my children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. 

Unless the scenario that I mentioned above is rectified very soon, we will lose our Republic; assimilation is not part of their agenda.  Forget legal migration into this country, the illegals will have invaded in such alarming numbers that we will not be able to sustain.

Trump states that he's winning at the border.  I declare b.s.
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Re: Trump calls for more immigration
« Reply #63 on: March 11, 2019, 08:14:49 PM »
Trump just lost my vote.

I am so tired of hearing we need more foreign workers in the USA, while we jettison Americans from their jobs for low salary foreign workers.

TRUMP HAS BETRAYED AMERICA WITH THIS POSITION.  HE IS NOW PART OF THE ANTI AMERICAN SWAMP THAT WANTS AMERICA SUBSEVIENT TO THE NWO.

America is lost.


I agree.  I'll say it once more ... get ready for him to implement the North American Union (Mexico, USA, Canada) as a way to resolve this issue.

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« Reply #64 on: March 11, 2019, 08:36:34 PM »
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« Reply #65 on: March 11, 2019, 08:57:13 PM »
No, the clear solution is to stop killing our babies.

I don't believe there is any sort of labor crisis - but I thought I'd get that in there.  :seeya:
Just think what 60,000,000 more Americans would have done for the economy.

The only labor crisis is everyone wants a good paying job, but no one wants to work.
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« Reply #66 on: March 11, 2019, 08:59:53 PM »
I agree.  I'll say it once more ... get ready for him to implement the North American Union (Mexico, USA, Canada) as a way to resolve this issue.

IF there ever was a time to support the Constitution Party it is NOW!!!  Their membership is growing; slowly but surely. People need to abandon the Trump train and climb on board the U.S.A. Constitution Party!!!

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« Reply #67 on: March 11, 2019, 09:08:51 PM »
Just think what 60,000,000 more Americans would have done for the economy.

The only labor crisis is everyone wants a good paying job, but no one wants to work.

That's right. How the heck does a government think to import instead of encouraging more family and giving incentives to marry and produce children? The long term fix is makin babies.

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« Reply #68 on: March 11, 2019, 09:13:07 PM »
That's right. How the heck does a government think to import instead of encouraging more family and giving incentives to marry and produce children? The long term fix is makin babies.
That's farmed out to the new folks, and subsidized, too.

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« Reply #69 on: March 11, 2019, 09:27:23 PM »
That's right. How the heck does a government think to import instead of encouraging more family and giving incentives to marry and produce children? The long term fix is makin babies.

 :amen:  Give young American (married) couples who have a child a U.S. Savings Bond and additional tax credits!! 
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« Reply #70 on: March 11, 2019, 09:34:00 PM »
That's right. How the heck does a government think to import instead of encouraging more family and giving incentives to marry and produce children? The long term fix is makin babies.
Problem is, Families are counterrevolutionary, Comrade. Can't have authority that isn't part of the State, and that's why the Communists have been waging war on the family unit since the '60s.

The nuclear family is the best means for instilling values, retaining wealth, conferring knowledge (especially of Liberty), and providing a sense of Honor yet devised.
No wonder they have fought it tooth and nail.
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Re: Trump calls for more immigration
« Reply #71 on: March 12, 2019, 08:56:14 AM »
So you're perfectly fine with the people getting H1B visa's taking jobs from American citizens for sometimes half of what an American worker with the same skills would make?

How progressive of you.

And you're perfectly fine with closing doors to legal immigration so employers can't get the workers they need, and so fold up shop or move overseas?   

How self-centered of you. 
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« Reply #72 on: March 12, 2019, 09:27:52 AM »
That's right. How the heck does a government think to import instead of encouraging more family and giving incentives to marry and produce children? The long term fix is makin babies.

If the long term fix is makin' babies,  they why don't you support more legal immigration?   Immigrants tend to have larger families than the native-born.  Supporting chain immigration will help even more,  since immigrants will be encouraged to bring their extended families here.   

Mrs. Jazz' parents came from Mexico, and had eight kids,  all of whom went to college and became productive and thoroughly Americanized.    That comports with your vision of America, doesn't it?     
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« Reply #73 on: March 12, 2019, 09:35:16 AM »
If the long term fix is makin' babies,  they why don't you support more legal immigration?   Immigrants tend to have larger families than the native-born.  Supporting chain immigration will help even more,  since immigrants will be encouraged to bring their extended families here.   

Mrs. Jazz' parents came from Mexico, and had eight kids,  all of whom went to college and became productive and thoroughly Americanized.    That comports with your vision of America, doesn't it?     
That's all well and good. Now go to little Mogadishu (Minneapolis, Minnesota) and see how well that isn't happening with other groups, especially some lately imported. We have plenty of people right here. But the most productive are punished for their efforts and forced to support an ever growing burden of people who won't support themselves, often with greater resources for the takers than the producers. We even pay for the legions of Government employees who walk them through the process of obtaining benefits.
Thanks to the ACA, I can't afford health insurance, but I am forced to buy it for people I don't know who won't buy their own. My grandchildren are exposed to diseases we'd eradicated, because we're importing them, now.

Enough insanity. Put Americans back to work first. If need be, train them. At least you won't need an interpreter to do so.
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Re: Trump calls for more immigration
« Reply #74 on: March 12, 2019, 09:59:06 AM »
That's all well and good. Now go to little Mogadishu (Minneapolis, Minnesota) and see how well that isn't happening with other groups, especially some lately imported. We have plenty of people right here. But the most productive are punished for their efforts and forced to support an ever growing burden of people who won't support themselves,

I advocate more legal immigration.   Your beef is,  I assume, with the illegal kind.   Many here support legal immigration, tied to skills that American employers need.  But I was responding to @roamer_1 's assertion that the root cause of the problem is not makin' enough babies.    He's right - Americans tend to favor smaller families.  But immigrants do not - so I'm trying to ascertain why he isn't in favor of chain immigration that encourages families. 

If the goal is makin' babies then let's let in folks who are willing to make babies!   
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