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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #125 on: March 06, 2019, 07:02:32 pm »
now you are just hallucinating if you believe some judges are giving me rights.

Nothing is further from the truth as they most certainly don't possess the power you bestow upon them.  Succinct Responses by @Smokin Joe have apparently gone over your head.

Please read the Heller opinion.   And here's the thing -  Heller was a 5 -4 decision.   If you refuse to believe that Heller affirmed your individual right to KBA,  then don't go crying when a later SCOTUS majority takes it away.    As I've advocated numerous times on this board,  the only real solution is to pass a Constitutional amendment making clear that the 2A provides for an individual right, for the purpose of individual self-defense,  notwithstanding the 2A's predicate clause which plainly describes the right in terms of the now-obsolete concept of the militia.

As much as you and Smokin Joe may wish to believe it,  the 2A doesn't afford you a right to go shooting "tyrannical" government officials.    The Bill of Rights is, generally speaking, intended to secure against government overreach your and my "natural" rights.   The natural right which deserves protection is your right of individual self-defense, not to assemble an arsenal so you can stage a revolt against our duly-elected representatives.   Bottom line - that natural right, just the same as the natural rights to privacy and self-determination that conservatives disparage, can and are protected by the Constitution - because of the interpretation and construction of that document by the courts.   

And just as you insist that fetuses have rights and women do not, so may liberals try to take your gun rights away, and in the same manner - by achieving a SCOTUS majority that will ignore stare decisis and overturn its prior precedents.   
       
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #126 on: March 06, 2019, 07:22:46 pm »
Dealing with my @$$hole BIL that thinks we should have universal background checks for private gun sales and transfers.
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #127 on: March 06, 2019, 07:24:55 pm »
Dealing with my @$$hole BIL that thinks we should have universal background checks for private gun sales and transfers.

Ask him why.  What does he think it will accomplish.... other than hinder law-abiding citizens even further from exercising their right to self-defense.  Cause the criminals sure as hell don't bother with such idiotic legalities.
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #128 on: March 06, 2019, 07:28:06 pm »
Ask him why.  What does he think it will accomplish.... other than hinder law-abiding citizens even further from exercising their right to self-defense.  Cause the criminals sure as hell don't bother with such idiotic legalities.

I have news!
Neither do/will the law abiding. There will be a work-around, even if I have to make the dang thing myself.

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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #129 on: March 06, 2019, 07:29:50 pm »
I have news!
Neither do/will the law abiding. There will be a work-around, even if I have to make the dang thing myself.

Lol!   You could always just print one!   :cool:
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #130 on: March 06, 2019, 07:29:59 pm »
Please read the Heller opinion.   And here's the thing -  Heller was a 5 -4 decision.   If you refuse to believe that Heller affirmed your individual right to KBA,  then don't go crying when a later SCOTUS majority takes it away.    As I've advocated numerous times on this board,  the only real solution is to pass a Constitutional amendment making clear that the 2A provides for an individual right, for the purpose of individual self-defense,  notwithstanding the 2A's predicate clause which plainly describes the right in terms of the now-obsolete concept of the militia.

As much as you and Smokin Joe may wish to believe it,  the 2A doesn't afford you a right to go shooting "tyrannical" government officials.    The Bill of Rights is, generally speaking, intended to secure against government overreach your and my "natural" rights.   The natural right which deserves protection is your right of individual self-defense, not to assemble an arsenal so you can stage a revolt against our duly-elected representatives.   Bottom line - that natural right, just the same as the natural rights to privacy and self-determination that conservatives disparage, can and are protected by the Constitution - because of the interpretation and construction of that document by the courts.   

And just as you insist that fetuses have rights and women do not, so may liberals try to take your gun rights away, and in the same manner - by achieving a SCOTUS majority that will ignore stare decisis and overturn its prior precedents.   
     
you just don't get it.  Judges do NOT confer rights.  In fact, the interpretation  by SCOTUS is a made up right itself. 
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #131 on: March 06, 2019, 07:37:36 pm »
Lol!   You could always just print one!   :cool:

Nah... I'm old school. I have a fly-cutter and a tooling lathe... among all the other gear I might need.
A rifle/pistol is really a simple piece of machinery.

And then there's just buying all the parts and putting one together...

Not that I have to do any of that really - MT has already told the fed to go screw wrt guns/parts/ammo made and sold within the state. I don't imagine that attitude is going to change any time soon, to include any new fed laws trying to govern private sales.

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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #132 on: March 06, 2019, 07:44:14 pm »
Ask him why.  What does he think it will accomplish.... other than hinder law-abiding citizens even further from exercising their right to self-defense.  Cause the criminals sure as hell don't bother with such idiotic legalities.
He thinks that making it more difficult for honest people will make it more difficult for criminals: I asked him "Now let me ask you two questions: Chicago, Detroit, New York City, all have the most restrictive gun laws in the country, why do they all have the highest murder rates? Second can you name a single gun law that criminals would respect and would prevent them from committing a crime?"

His reply 1) massive population concentration means the The Most Dangerous States in the United States. Alaska, New Mexico, and Nevada have the highest violent crime rates in the entire United States.% of violent people is directly related to that population. 2) criminals don't respect ANY laws, but why make it easy on them.

My reply to him: Sorry that doesn't follow: Most restrictive gun laws means that they should have very little if any access to firearms, and consequently they would have very little if any violent crime. This proves my point. Law abiding citizens do not have access to a means to defend themselves and become easy prey for the criminals.

His reply was to post some B.S. Study that says more guns equal more crime.
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #133 on: March 06, 2019, 08:06:40 pm »
He thinks that making it more difficult for honest people will make it more difficult for criminals: I asked him "Now let me ask you two questions: Chicago, Detroit, New York City, all have the most restrictive gun laws in the country, why do they all have the highest murder rates? Second can you name a single gun law that criminals would respect and would prevent them from committing a crime?"

His reply 1) massive population concentration means the The Most Dangerous States in the United States. Alaska, New Mexico, and Nevada have the highest violent crime rates in the entire United States.% of violent people is directly related to that population. 2) criminals don't respect ANY laws, but why make it easy on them.

My reply to him: Sorry that doesn't follow: Most restrictive gun laws means that they should have very little if any access to firearms, and consequently they would have very little if any violent crime. This proves my point. Law abiding citizens do not have access to a means to defend themselves and become easy prey for the criminals.

His reply was to post some B.S. Study that says more guns equal more crime.
https://www.livescience.com/51446-guns-do-not-deter-crime.html?fbclid=IwAR0zhLrAdLog4h5simIFPCLxPsKDe2besj5KtcVkkG-O9sDHcOcANFdJAQ4

It's frustrating, isn't it.  I have a step-son that is a bleeding heart liberal.  I rarely talk to him any more... after a rather heated discussion over "globull warming" once...lol.  I have no respect for anyone that falls for the BS the leftist, anti-American Democrats feeds them.  Can't help it.   :shrug:

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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #134 on: March 06, 2019, 08:36:50 pm »
I have news!
Neither do/will the law abiding. There will be a work-around, even if I have to make the dang thing myself.

Yessir!

Any 10 Thumbed mechanical illitetate who thinks a competent machinist can't whip up perfectly functional guns from a 1911A1 to a 1927 Thompson (Tommy gun) or .50 BMG is whistling past the graveyard.

They are Not rocket science!

How many folks even here know that the Browning machine guns in WWII were made at refrigerator factories?

They already had the big presses (for reefer doors) to stamp out the recievers.
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #135 on: March 06, 2019, 08:40:44 pm »
Yessir!

Any 10 Thumbed mechanical illitetate who thinks a competent machinist can't whip up perfectly functional guns from a 1911A1 to a 1927 Thompson (Tommy gun) or .50 BMG is whistling past the graveyard.

They are Not rocket science!

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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #136 on: March 06, 2019, 11:03:51 pm »
Same reason the GOP blew off doing the wall while they were in charge.  They don't want a solution, they want the issue.  It's always about the issue and a solution would upset their lucrative apple cart.

Very true, it is why ANWR was always talked about but never resolved until maybe soon.

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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #137 on: March 06, 2019, 11:10:22 pm »
It's frustrating, isn't it.  I have a step-son that is a bleeding heart liberal.  I rarely talk to him any more... after a rather heated discussion over "globull warming" once...lol.  I have no respect for anyone that falls for the BS the leftist, anti-American Democrats feeds them.  Can't help it.   :shrug:

Hey, at least you are honest.  Don't feel bad, I have a father in law who reads a magazine that rants and raves about being unbiased (lol).  He too believes in the global warming b.s. It gets on my nerves, but I give him a pass because of his age and his dementia. 

ANY attack on the 2A, is alarming.  Especially with 1 MILLION coming across. 
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #138 on: March 07, 2019, 12:57:00 am »
Hey, at least you are honest.  Don't feel bad, I have a father in law who reads a magazine that rants and raves about being unbiased (lol).  He too believes in the global warming b.s. It gets on my nerves, but I give him a pass because of his age and his dementia. 

ANY attack on the 2A, is alarming.  Especially with 1 MILLION coming across.

Yes indeed.  And if we were ever going to push back against the radical left... now's the time.  The very thought of what they're trying to do or want to do is infuriating. 
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #139 on: March 07, 2019, 02:33:51 am »

Please read the Heller opinion.   And here's the thing -  Heller was a 5 -4 decision.   If you refuse to believe that Heller affirmed your individual right to KBA,  then don't go crying when a later SCOTUS majority takes it away.    As I've advocated numerous times on this board,  the only real solution is to pass a Constitutional amendment making clear that the 2A provides for an individual right, for the purpose of individual self-defense,  notwithstanding the 2A's predicate clause which plainly describes the right in terms of the now-obsolete concept of the militia.

As much as you and Smokin Joe may wish to believe it,  the 2A doesn't afford you a right to go shooting "tyrannical" government officials.    The Bill of Rights is, generally speaking, intended to secure against government overreach your and my "natural" rights.   The natural right which deserves protection is your right of individual self-defense, not to assemble an arsenal so you can stage a revolt against our duly-elected representatives.   Bottom line - that natural right, just the same as the natural rights to privacy and self-determination that conservatives disparage, can and are protected by the Constitution - because of the interpretation and construction of that document by the courts.   

And just as you insist that fetuses have rights and women do not, so may liberals try to take your gun rights away, and in the same manner - by achieving a SCOTUS majority that will ignore stare decisis and overturn its prior precedents.   
     
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --

While it was a very radical statement of intent, it is seminal in the formation of this country. Pay particular attention to the underlined phrases. Why, these radicals spoke of things like Rights (of the People!), and "just powers", conferred, not by Divine Right and bloodline, but conferred by the People to a Government for the purpose of securing their rights, with their consent.

What People do you think they were talking about? Wow, these were the same people who helped write, hung out with those who wrote, that Constitution thingy where the phrase "Of the People" is also used. The People meant just that @Jazzhead, just like that collection of individuals who possess the rights enshrined in the First Ten Amendments, regardless of the mumblings of those people who sit at court benches. Those Rights are unalienable.

As for the Right to assemble an arsenal, well that's what really started this whole thing, with the British marching on Lexington and Concord to take one away from the Colonists. The most powerful Army in the world, at the time, and they eventually lost.

The only question is one of whether the Governments instituted to secure those rights acknowledge and secure those Rights, and if not, then the Government is not doing its job. If that Government goes too far in its attempts to deny those Rights, it is no longer serving its purpose, its powers are not just, the governed do not consent.

Government does not create (natural) rights, it can't take them away, it can only stand in the way of people exercising their Unalienable Rights. The SCOTUS does not and cannot grant rights. The Constitution does not grant rights, it only acknowledges them, lists some, and attempts to protect them from the machinations of those in government. It even leaves the list open ended so as not to disparage Rights not listed.

There is no natural Right to murder a baby in the womb, just a convenient fabrication (an unnatural right) claimed to be a 'right' that flies in the face of the Right to Life reserved to the People in numerous places in both the Declaration and the Constitution (and numerous other writings of the Founders), and it does so by declaring their human offspring aren't "people".

 In the 50+ years since Roe, we've found out a lot more about human gestational development, and taken some incredible pictures of that process, images which indicate that there is a little human in there, who, if allowed to continue to develop, will be fully recognizable as a member of the species Homo Sapiens.

To step forward, that's one of The People in there. In no way is that one of the People a lesser being than the ones walking around, in terms of having Rights, unless the court tries to create a class of People who are 'not People', who are subhumans, who have no Rights.
 
Statistically speaking, just over half of them, given the opportunity will develop even more from hat we call babies, to toddlers, to girls, and into "women". Yet the assertion is that these developing women have no "women's" rights, only the ones who have reached the age of puberty and become pregnant do. Ant then the court asserts they have the right to kill that other member of The People, just because they have asserted their sexual maturity. Are we going to define that acquisition of the Right to Life some time earlier in their development, or is it inherent in the full package of natural Rights which all People possess? 

This is where the court creates gray areas (the meat and potatoes of lawyers) in order to declare one group of humans lesser beings compared to another group of humans. That concept flies in the face of the whole idea of natural Rights.

Ironically, as some claim, we allegedly fought the bloodiest conflict on American soil over the concept that no human beings are chattel, to be disposed of as property: there are no lesser humans in terms of Rights. How can a court which could logically extend the Rights of the People to one group of the People, reserve them from another, to the degree that those included in that group of people are subject to a horrible death (one we would not allow for the most heinous criminal, duly convicted) at the whim of another?

Because that is what the logic of the court has done in Roe. You can call that ruling a lot of things, but it is in no wise "justice".

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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #140 on: March 07, 2019, 02:58:08 am »
I understand, @Smokin Joe , why you don't accept a woman's right to decide for herself whether or not to have a child.   But why do you abandon your conservative instincts to demand the state make the call?   why is this not an issue of individual conscience?
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« Reply #141 on: March 07, 2019, 03:02:44 am »
I understand, @Smokin Joe , why you don't accept a woman's right to decide for herself whether or not to have a child.   But why do you abandon your conservative instincts to demand the state make the call?   why is this not an issue of individual conscience?

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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #142 on: March 07, 2019, 03:12:01 am »
I understand, @Smokin Joe , why you don't accept a woman's right to decide for herself whether or not to have a child.   But why do you abandon your conservative instincts to demand the state make the call?   why is this not an issue of individual conscience?
The preeminent Right to Life, without which there are no other Rights.

Consider:
No one can force a woman to have sex  (that's a crime and a violation of her Right to choose--a mate).
No one can force a woman to become pregnant (That is also a choice, on her part, and her mate's)

But at the point where she is pregnant, there are two lives to consider. That other life, the one who has had no choice in anything, should, by rights, be protected. That member of The People has the inherent unalienable Rights the rest of us possess, including the Right to Live. They have the right to not have their life taken in the absence of having committed a heinous crime, and having been duly convicted of that crime through Due Process, been sentenced to death.

The State exists to protect our Rights.

We would not rip a convicted murderer to shreds, that would be considered "cruel and unusual punishment", yet you argue to allow women to do exactly that to thousands of babies a day, babies who have not been convicted of any crime, whose only offense in the eyes of their mothers is to exist--a state of being they had no choice in.

That flies in the face of American Jurisprudence. Either we have those unalienable Rights--all of us--or none of us do, effectively. Playing word games by deciding that those yet to be or just born are less than human creates a class of subhumans. That is a slippery slope, one which humanity has been down before--with similar results, I might add.

Twenty one Million, Thirty Million, Fifty Million lives taken, seen as crimes against humanity....


But Sixty Million dead is a "Right"?

Get real. It's an unimaginably obscene distortion to claim a Right to the wholesale slaughter of humans, and just as obscene to declare a class of humans as less than human to justify it.
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #143 on: March 07, 2019, 03:20:43 am »
I did not read every post. I hope this is current news, but what 'house' did is outright stupid. We already have background checks since 1993...on gun sales.  What a waste. I think it is called the Brady Bill.  More INFRINGEMENT ON THE 2ND?
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During a White House ceremony attended by James S. Brady, President Bill Clinton signs the Brady handgun-control bill into law. The law requires a prospective handgun buyer to wait five business days while the authorities check on his or her background, during which time the sale is approved or prohibited based on an established set of criteria.

In 1981, James Brady, who served as press secretary for President Ronald Reagan, was shot in the head by John Hinckley, Jr., during an attempt on President Reagan’s life outside a hotel in Washington, D.C. Reagan himself was shot in his left lung but recovered and returned to the White House within two weeks. Brady, the most seriously injured in the attack, was momentarily pronounced dead at the hospital but survived and began an impressive recovery from his debilitating brain injury.

During the 1980s, Brady became a leading proponent of gun-control legislation and in 1987 succeeded in getting a bill introduced into Congress. The Brady Bill, as it became known, was staunchly opposed by many congressmen, who, in reference to the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, questioned the constitutionality of regulating the ownership of arms. In 1993, with the support of President Bill Clinton, an advocate of gun control, the Brady Bill became law.

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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #144 on: March 07, 2019, 03:34:00 am »
The preeminent Right to Life, without which there are no other Rights.

Consider:
No one can force a woman to have sex  (that's a crime and a violation of her Right to choose--a mate).
No one can force a woman to become pregnant (That is also a choice, on her part, and her mate's)

But at the point where she is pregnant, there are two lives to consider. That other life, the one who has had no choice in anything, should, by rights, be protected. That member of The People has the inherent unalienable Rights the rest of us possess, including the Right to Live. They have the right to not have their life taken in the absence of having committed a heinous crime, and having been duly convicted of that crime through Due Process, been sentenced to death.

The State exists to protect our Rights.

We would not rip a convicted murderer to shreds, that would be considered "cruel and unusual punishment", yet you argue to allow women to do exactly that to thousands of babies a day, babies who have not been convicted of any crime, whose only offense in the eyes of their mothers is to exist--a state of being they had no choice in.

That flies in the face of American Jurisprudence. Either we have those unalienable Rights--all of us--or none of us do, effectively. Playing word games by deciding that those yet to be or just born are less than human creates a class of subhumans. That is a slippery slope, one which humanity has been down before--with similar results, I might add.

Twenty one Million, Thirty Million, Fifty Million lives taken, seen as crimes against humanity....


But Sixty Million dead is a "Right"?

Get real. It's an unimaginably obscene distortion to claim a Right to the wholesale slaughter of humans, and just as obscene to declare a class of humans as less than human to justify it.


EXCELLENT!  Woman has all kind of rights to HER BODY...but not when she carry's another life.  That life has, no say so, if she aborts. 

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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #145 on: March 07, 2019, 03:35:38 am »
I did not read every post. I hope this is current news, but what 'house' did is outright stupid. We already have background checks since 1993...on gun sales.  What a waste. I think it is called the Brady Bill.
There is much more than background checks involved, It is the handing of a firearm to your son to go hunting, passing a rifle to a friend at the range to try out, all considered loosely as 'transfers', which could net someone a felony.

If I want to give my grandkids (mostly old enough to vote) a firearm, knowing them to be of good character, I should be able to do so without government intervention or interference. If we want to have an impromptu shooting contest at the range, and to make things fair, exchange firearms for the purpose of the contest, each shooting a fraction with the other's firearm, we should be able to without having to answer to the police over an improper exchange of firearms without a background check. This infringement of the RKBA will not affect criminals, but will create a procedural minefield for the law abiding. It is just the beginning of a Communist wish list that ends with us all being disarmed.
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #146 on: March 07, 2019, 03:49:49 am »
There is much more than background checks involved, It is the handing of a firearm to your son to go hunting, passing a rifle to a friend at the range to try out, all considered loosely as 'transfers', which could net someone a felony.

If I want to give my grandkids (mostly old enough to vote) a firearm, knowing them to be of good character, I should be able to do so without government intervention or interference. If we want to have an impromptu shooting contest at the range, and to make things fair, exchange firearms for the purpose of the contest, each shooting a fraction with the other's firearm, we should be able to without having to answer to the police over an improper exchange of firearms without a background check. This infringement of the RKBA will not affect criminals, but will create a procedural minefield for the law abiding. It is just the beginning of a Communist wish list that ends with us all being disarmed.






Lost my post. Ugh. I agreed with you. Criminals will not abide by any laws. So, it is going into PRIVATE family affairs. 


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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #147 on: March 07, 2019, 04:16:57 am »
What I haven't been able to find is How are they going to Know that you sold, or even loaned, a firearm to your hunting buddy without him having a background check?

And if they do find out, what is going to be the penalty?

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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #148 on: March 07, 2019, 04:36:49 am »
What I haven't been able to find is How are they going to Know that you sold, or even loaned, a firearm to your hunting buddy without him having a background check?

And if they do find out, what is going to be the penalty?
Gun narcs, rabbit cops, and a database.....which means firearm registration or it won't be enforceable.
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #149 on: March 07, 2019, 04:44:19 am »
And they're doing away with the 3 day time limit on the Background Check. So if the background check takes forever, then you never get approval for the purchase or sale.