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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #75 on: March 05, 2019, 03:35:13 PM »
I would presume not.  You described a "cartridge," not a "bullet."

Clarification never hurts, does it?  The terms get used interchangeably sometimes. 

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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #77 on: March 05, 2019, 03:36:27 PM »
Perfect illustration of what I've been going on about:  Plain Language takes a back seat to interpretation.

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« Reply #78 on: March 05, 2019, 03:44:49 PM »
Roe is wrong.

But it's the interpretation of the Constitution that carries the day, not the actual Constitution, as we are constantly reminded.  A ruling that incorporates Penumbras and Emanations trumps what us silly mortals think is the law.
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #79 on: March 05, 2019, 03:45:14 PM »
If you say so .......

It's better than that.  You said so.
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #80 on: March 05, 2019, 03:46:00 PM »
Roe is correct.

The ruling is correct because of the ruling.  Circular reasoning at its finest.
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #81 on: March 05, 2019, 03:47:09 PM »
Clarification never hurts, does it?  The terms get used interchangeably sometimes.

They do, and it can be frustrating at times.  "Clip" vs. "Magazine" is like that.
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #82 on: March 05, 2019, 03:51:31 PM »
The ruling is correct because of the ruling.  Circular reasoning at its finest.

Close second.

Circular reasoning at its finest would be the SCOTUS has the authority to rule on what's constitutional because SCOTUS ruled that it did.
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #83 on: March 05, 2019, 03:53:49 PM »
Close second.

Circular reasoning at its finest would be the SCOTUS has the authority to rule on what's constitutional because SCOTUS ruled that it did.

I stand corrected.  Effective circular reasoning must be done by professionals, not loudmouths at the end of the bar, like me.
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #84 on: March 05, 2019, 03:57:50 PM »
But it's the interpretation of the Constitution that carries the day, not the actual Constitution, as we are constantly reminded.  A ruling that incorporates Penumbras and Emanations trumps what us silly mortals think is the law.

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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #85 on: March 05, 2019, 04:10:31 PM »
If you say so ......

This time it was I who said it, meaning you can add that to five bucks and buy a cup of burnt coffee from Starbucks.   333cleo
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #86 on: March 05, 2019, 04:15:39 PM »
Roe is correct.

Roe is wrong on its face. To suggest that privacy condones murder is as ludicrous as the idiocy that claims there is no personhood until birth.

Such a perverson of truth as came down in the Roe decision disabused me forever of the thought of wisdom or justice being meted blindly from the bench. They are blind alright but that is all.

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« Reply #87 on: March 05, 2019, 04:16:59 PM »
But it's the interpretation of the Constitution that carries the day, not the actual Constitution, as we are constantly reminded.  A ruling that incorporates Penumbras and Emanations trumps what us silly mortals think is the law.

What a horrid stain on justice that is.

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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #88 on: March 05, 2019, 04:17:02 PM »
The ruling is correct because of the ruling.  Circular reasoning at its finest.

There is also the  principal of stare decisis - an inherently conservative concept.   Every woman of child-bearing age has always lived under a Constitution guaranteeing her the right to reproductive choice.   Sorry,  but it would be judicial activism of the worst sort to deny that essential liberty at this late date.   
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #89 on: March 05, 2019, 04:18:21 PM »
There is also the  principal of stare decisis - an inherently conservative concept.   Every woman of child-bearing age has always lived under a Constitution guaranteeing her the right to reproductive choice.   Sorry,  but it would be judicial activism of the worst sort to deny that essential liberty at this late date.   

Another example of court decisions being place ahead of the plain language in the Constitution.
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #90 on: March 05, 2019, 04:18:38 PM »
There is also the  principal of stare decisis - an inherently conservative concept.   Every woman of child-bearing age has always lived under a Constitution guaranteeing her the right to reproductive choice.   Sorry,  but it would be judicial activism of the worst sort to deny that essential liberty at this late date.   

Sure. Her choice happened when her knees came apart.

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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #91 on: March 05, 2019, 04:18:49 PM »
What a horrid stain on justice that is.

Why are you so afraid that a woman have the same liberty of self-determination as a man?
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #92 on: March 05, 2019, 04:19:53 PM »
Sure. Her choice happened when her knees came apart.

Spoken as only a man can. 
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #93 on: March 05, 2019, 04:20:09 PM »
Why are you so afraid that a woman have the same liberty of self-determination as a man?

She does. I can't kill people willy-nilly either.

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« Reply #94 on: March 05, 2019, 04:22:08 PM »
Spoken as only a man can.

Right... Like that 5 minute ride entitling me to 20 years of child support and alimony. That's where my choice was made. Damn well the same for her.

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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #95 on: March 05, 2019, 04:24:51 PM »
Roe is wrong on its face. To suggest that privacy condones murder is as ludicrous as the idiocy that claims there is no personhood until birth.

Such a perverson of truth as came down in the Roe decision disabused me forever of the thought of wisdom or justice being meted blindly from the bench. They are blind alright but that is all.

Roe is correct on its face.  That one may not like all of the ramifications of a decision does not make the decision inherently wrong. 

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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #96 on: March 05, 2019, 04:35:27 PM »
Roe is correct on its face.  That one may not like all of the ramifications of a decision does not make the decision inherently wrong.

No, that it is WRONG is what makes it inherently wrong.

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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #97 on: March 05, 2019, 04:54:19 PM »
No, that it is WRONG is what makes it inherently wrong.


It is not inherently wrong.  It is, in fact, substantially correct.  It will also never be overturned. 

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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #98 on: March 05, 2019, 04:58:26 PM »
Perfect illustration of what I've been going on about:  Plain Language takes a back seat to interpretation.

So, with which sophistries have clever lawyers explained that the 2nd is not incorporated upon the Citizens and States through the 14th?
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Re: House passes bill to require universal background checks on gun sales
« Reply #99 on: March 05, 2019, 05:01:00 PM »
It is not inherently wrong.  It is, in fact, substantially correct.  It will also never be overturned.

Yes it is substantially, inherently, and horrifically wrong.
I agree with you that it will not be overturned - because upon its inception, justice flew from this land.


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