The true cost of faked hate crimes. Should we punish fraudulent victims as vigorously as real crimin

[rangerrebew]

The true cost of faked hate crimes
Should we punish fraudulent victims as vigorously as real criminals?

Douglas Murray

February 19, 2019

 

Some years ago I was introduced to one notion of how to tackle dishonest and insincere accusations of racism. The idea was not just that there should be a social cost to making a dishonest claim, but that the cost should equal that borne by somebody who is accurately and correctly identified as a racist. Without such a disincentive, there is no reason (other than decency and honesty, which may sometimes be in short supply) for people not to level such accusations insincerely.

Since Monday night I have been wondering, amid much else, whether some similar aspiration could be encouraged regarding hate crimes.

https://spectator.us/faked-hate-crimes/

[skeeter]

The media was delighted to jump on Trump supporters before.

Now its all about how Smolett owes all of the the 'real victims' of this horrible country's racism an apology. But no apology for his intended target.

[XenaLee]

The media was delighted to jump on Trump supporters before.

Now its all about how Smolett owes all of the the 'real victims' of this horrible country's racism an apology. But no apology for his intended target.

It's just the typical BS from the hypocrites on the left.  They were only too willing to destroy the Covington kid(s) over a false narrative (yet another one).  So the ""real"" victims are Trump supporters that are getting demonized throughout America... just for supporting Trump... or rather... just for NOT supporting Hillary.

[catfish1957]

It's just the typical BS from the hypocrites on the left.  They were only too willing to destroy the Covington kid(s) over a false narrative (yet another one).  So the ""real"" victims are Trump supporters that are getting demonized throughout America... just for supporting Trump... or rather... just for NOT supporting Hillary.

Got to wonder how many of these so called hate crimes through the years have been SJW hoaxes. 

[XenaLee]

Got to wonder how many of these so called hate crimes through the years have been SJW hoaxes.

 

There have been many hoaxes ...but it seems to be ramping up to an epidemic now.  The SJW hoaxes aren't even the critical part.

We can't trust our own government agencies.  That much has been proven lately.  So who can we trust?  (God only, apparently)

[truth_seeker]

Mo Kelly is a common sense black am radio guy in LA, and a few days ago he was livid over this incident, correctly stating that Jussie harmed the real victims of racism.

Hopefully Jussie lied his way to the career future, of Kevin Spacey and Bill Cosby.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Should we punish as severely?

First, we strip the State of Mind from the actual crime/s.

Hate is not a crime. So get Rid of it as an enhancement penalty.

Then total up the evidence of real laws violated and work from there.

[Wingnut]

“When they make victimhood a coveted status that confers privileges, victims proliferate.”

[skeeter]

Mo Kelly is a common sense black am radio guy in LA, and a few days ago he was livid over this incident, correctly stating that Jussie harmed the real victims of racism.

Hopefully Jussie lied his way to the career future, of Kevin Spacey and Bill Cosby.

Of course these hoaxes dishonor the real victims of racism. But in this case, the more important effect is on the intended immediate target of the hoax. It was meant to smear a political opponent.

To use the hoax to focus on the 'real victims of racism' is just another way to spin the story in a way that suits the left.

[XenaLee]

Of course these hoaxes dishonor the real victims of racism. But in this case, the more important effect is on the intended immediate target of the hoax. It was meant to smear a political opponent.

To use the hoax to focus on the 'real victims of racism' is just another way to spin the story in a way that suits the left.

It's also called leftist damage control...lol.

[dfwgator]

Mo Kelly is a common sense black am radio guy in LA, and a few days ago he was livid over this incident, correctly stating that Jussie harmed the real victims of racism.

 

What victims of racism?   Seriously, who really is a victim of racism anymore.    Folks who make their living on convincing people that racism still exists are the ones who are keeping racism going.   Booker T. Washington warned us of these people over a hundred years ago.

[aligncare]

Of course these hoaxes dishonor the real victims of racism. But in this case, the more important effect is on the intended immediate target of the hoax. It was meant to smear a political opponent.

To use the hoax to focus on the 'real victims of racism' is just another way to spin the story in a way that suits the left.

Excellent point! The racial/gay component was merely the most convenient vehicle on which he could tie Trump supporters to – but this was clearly a political hoax first.

I guess Jussie figured he would be driving a monster truck across the finish line but it stalled in fourth gear rounding the last turn.

[truth_seeker]

I think far too many kids are raised lacking simple stories, like

"The little boy who cried wolf, too often."

[Smokin Joe]

Should we punish fraudulent victims as vigorously as real criminals?

But fraud is a crime. They ARE real criminals.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

By definition, fake victims that lie to police are already criminals.

I believe rather than the stupid any-lynching law recently enacted, we should be passing legislation requiring fake hate-crime victims under the hate-crime laws with the same punishment - severe.

After all, a fake hate crime causes immense damage as tensions are raised needlessly and can cause people to get hurt or killed.

Just ask Al Sharpton.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1995/05/07/their-american-nightmare/3944a548-7bd7-47b7-9eb7-32576da70b56/?utm_term=.425e8159f5e3

[Bigun]

But fraud is a crime. They ARE real criminals.

And the fraud should be punished by forcing the perp(s) to make full restitution and serve time as well.

[Smokin Joe]

And the fraud should be punished by forcing the perp(s) to make full restitution and serve time as well.

The real problem is that in a high profile fake crime, assets are assigned to pursue red herrings and straw men, instead of doing other police work. It isn't just the expense, but the loss of effort devoted to other investigations, and the clock is ticking. Memories fading, witnesses deciding not to come forward, even degraded physical evidence can all happen while good investigators are tied up dealing with a high profile fraud.

That effect trickles down into the community, in the form of less police work getting done on real crimes.

So, add that intangible to any expense for the time and efforts expended on the fraud, then try to put a dollar amount on it and add it to their court costs and fines.

[truth_seeker]

Trump should declare a National Emergency

Call it the MAGA TDS Crisis. A true mental health Outbreak.

Start treatment centers. Outrage Counselors on duty 24 Hrs Daily

Hotlines. Major Obama policies accepted.

Issue conditional commutations, only for completing treatment.