Author Topic: The Greatest Constitutional Crisis Since the Civil War (Conrad Black) (Read 3099 times)

Bigun · « **Reply #25 on:** February 22, 2019, 05:37:24 pm »

Quote from: XenaLee on February 22, 2019, 05:25:26 pm

Yeah....and that's great under normal conditions. But...when TSHTF under a major attack or event...

all of that nice, legal crap is out the door.

Have you ever talked to anyone in special forces? Have you had any relative in special forces? If you ever did and had a candid conversation about the military's contingency plans for such events, you would no doubt be shocked and dismayed. Again...

reality sucks.

As a matter of fact, YES I have and since I have been there myself I know a good many people who were and are members of the military and there is no chance that they will fire on US Civilians in the circumstance we are speaking of here.

roamer_1 · « **Reply #26 on:** February 22, 2019, 05:39:02 pm »

I used to think the US military would never turn on it's people...
And battle hardened troops coming up against vets - I think that'd be right.
Honor would win the day, I would hope.

My trepidation comes from this thought:
Does that extend to the pimple faced geek playing video games with a UAV?
Think hard on that one.

XenaLee · « **Reply #27 on:** February 22, 2019, 05:51:26 pm »

Quote from: Bigun on February 22, 2019, 05:37:24 pm

As a matter of fact, YES I have and since I have been there myself I know a good many people who were and are members of the military and there is no chance that they will fire on US Civilians in the circumstance we are speaking of here.

Bigun.... I don't need to argue the point....it's not a big deal to me. I just know what I know. But...you might want to research what Martial Law entails under a major attack/nuke/emp emergency event entails. You think you know what will happen and that it will all be rosy and peachy safe for civilians under military control. But civilians that pose a threat to military operations (like armed civilians) will be dealt with harshly... meaning they will either be disarmed or fired upon.

XenaLee · « **Reply #28 on:** February 22, 2019, 05:53:08 pm »

Quote from: roamer_1 on February 22, 2019, 05:39:02 pm

I used to think the US military would never turn on it's people...
And battle hardened troops coming up against vets - I think that'd be right.
Honor would win the day, I would hope.

My trepidation comes from this thought:
Does that extend to the pimple faced geek playing video games with a UAV?
Think hard on that one.

Remember how Obama even had no problem using assassin drones?

Good point, btw.

Fishrrman · « **Reply #29 on:** February 22, 2019, 10:00:22 pm »

https://amgreatness.com/2019/02/21/the-greatest-constitutional-crisis-since-the-civil-war/

The Greatest Constitutional Crisis Since the Civil War
By Conrad Black
February 21st, 2019

The most immense and dangerous public scandal in American history is finally cracking open like a ripe pomegranate. The broad swath of the Trump-hating media that has participated in what has amounted to an unconstitutional attempt to overthrow the government are reduced to reporting the events and revelations of the scandal in which they have been complicit, in a po-faced ho-hum manner to impart to the misinformed public that this is as routine as stock market fluctuations or the burning of an American flag in Tehran.

For more than two years, the United States and the world have had two competing narratives: that an elected president of the United States was a Russian agent whom the Kremlin helped elect; and its rival narrative that senior officials of the Justice Department, FBI, CIA, and other national intelligence organizations had repeatedly lied under oath, misinformed federal officials, and meddled in partisan political matters illegally and unconstitutionally and had effectively tried to influence the outcome of a presidential election, and then undo its result by falsely propagating the first narrative. It is now obvious and indisputable that the second narrative is the correct one.

More at URL above...

Excellent essay.

Fishrrman · « **Reply #30 on:** February 22, 2019, 10:02:52 pm »

More from the article above:
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Large sections of the media colluded with the Democratic campaign and produced the doctrine that anything was justifiable, no matter how dishonest, to destroy the incoming presidentâ€™s reputation and damage him in public opinion polls to legitimize attempts to remove him from office. Large sections of the media deliberately deluged the public with stories they knew to be false about the new president and referred to him in terms of unprecedented vituperation in what purported to be reportage and not comment.

This unorganized but widespread campaign of defamation was taken up by a great number of ordinarily newsworthy celebrities and was accompanied by false, unresearched stories denigrating President Trumpâ€™s supporters, such as the false claims about Catholic school studentsâ€™ treatment of an elderly native American and the false claim that actor Jussie Smollett had been beaten up and reviled by Trump supporters. The former intelligence chiefs of the nation under President Obama repeatedly have accused this president of treason, the most heinous of all crimes, and have asserted with the authority of their former positions that the Russians determined the result of the 2016 presidential election. They knew this to be entirely false.

Fishrrman · « **Reply #31 on:** February 22, 2019, 10:06:24 pm »

And a little more:
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This entire monstrous travesty is finally coming apart without even waiting for the horrible disappointment of the special counselâ€™s inability to adduce a scrap of evidence to justify his replication of Torquemada as an inquisitor and of the Gestapo and KGB at rounding up and accusing unarmed individuals who were not flight risks. The collapse of this grotesque putsch, under the irresistible pressure of a functioning attorney general and Senate committees that are not hamstrung by NeverTrumpers, will cause a revulsion against the Democratic Party that will be seismic and prolonged.

The disgrace of their misconduct is profound and shocking. Richard Nixon, against whom there is no conclusive evidence that he broke any laws (although a number of people in his entourage did) never did anything like this. J. Edgar Hoover in 47 years at the head of the FBI and its predecessor organization, never tried to meddle in a presidential election. Those responsible will pay for this, including at the polls.

Without realizing the proportions of the emergency, America has survived the greatest constitutional crisis since the Civil War. All those who legitimately oppose or dislike the president, including traditional high-brow Republicans who find him distasteful, should join in the condemnation of this largely criminal assault on democracy, and then, if they wish, go out and try to beat him fair and square, the good old-fashioned way, in a free election. But they must abide by the electionâ€™s result.

Bigun · « **Reply #32 on:** February 22, 2019, 10:10:47 pm »

Already posted http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,352515.0.html

Cyber Liberty · « **Reply #33 on:** February 22, 2019, 10:28:06 pm »

Topics merged.

Axeslinger · « **Reply #34 on:** February 22, 2019, 11:00:24 pm »

People can choose to turn a blind eye...or not. Doesnâ€™t change the fact hat itâ€™s coming, and itâ€™s coming with haste. There are two choices before us, and only two: victory through violence or capitulation. The left will not allow any other alternative. They will not realize the error of their ways and theyâ€™ve pushed us too close to their ultimate goals to turn back now. The ONLY question is when.

XenaLee · « **Reply #35 on:** February 22, 2019, 11:23:05 pm »

Quote from: Axeslinger on February 22, 2019, 11:00:24 pm

People can choose to turn a blind eye...or not. Doesnâ€™t change the fact hat itâ€™s coming, and itâ€™s coming with haste. There are two choices before us, and only two: victory through violence or capitulation. The left will not allow any other alternative. They will not realize the error of their ways and theyâ€™ve pushed us too close to their ultimate goals to turn back now. The ONLY question is when.

I'd rather fight than switch.

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #36 on:** February 23, 2019, 08:15:12 am »

Quote from: Axeslinger on February 22, 2019, 11:00:24 pm

People can choose to turn a blind eye...or not. Doesnâ€™t change the fact hat itâ€™s coming, and itâ€™s coming with haste. There are two choices before us, and only two: victory through violence or capitulation. The left will not allow any other alternative. They will not realize the error of their ways and theyâ€™ve pushed us too close to their ultimate goals to turn back now. The ONLY question is when.

The Left has known what they were doing all along.
There is no 'error of their ways' to realize.

This is an act (collectively, composed of numerous smaller acts) that has been calculated, deliberate, and fully intentional, designed to subvert the Constitutional electoral process, and if possible, to remove a duly elected POTUS from office on false pretenses. The word "Treason" comes to mind.

Quote

Treason doth never prosper, what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason

(John Harrington)

Politically, the Democrats and even some Republicans have gambled on the persuasiveness of the Mass Media, the ignorance of their followers, and they are 'all in'. Will they take the final step and foment violence?

I don't see them going meekly to their retirements (or prison cells), nor do I see them forfeiting their former exalted status without doing every possible bit of damage on the way out if they are removed.

If they don't get their way, no one will. They are that vindictive.
(Recall Valerie Jarrett talking about "paybacks"--(To whom? For what?).

For now, the quandry is one of whether the American People will understand what has been going on, whether they will meet these acts with sufficient outrage, and whether they will act, peaceably or otherwise, to ensure that those who have perpetrated this violation, not only of their oaths of office, but the public trust and the Constitution, are removed from their respective offices or positions for their part in this attempted coup d'etat.

Or will they go back to their tube and believe what they have been spoon fed by the glowing propaganda disseminator, secure in their belief that the greater conspiracy, the only conspiracy, against the very fabric of our nation was somehow justified because their candidate did not garner enough electoral votes?

These are the Party of professional victims and professional victimizers, and it would require that the former turn, at least philosophically, upon the latter. More likely, they will be convinced to take to the streets and have a tantrum because they did not get their way, right or wrong.

Not on my street... and stay off my lawn.

bigheadfred · « **Reply #37 on:** February 23, 2019, 09:30:05 am »

@XenaLee

Some of your posts indicate an apocalyptic scenario. Decimation at the urban level is above top contingent. Kill them all. Very few of that will be able to provide for themselves past the C strore on the corner.

If Texas can't provide security in the shtf scenario, Idaho will.

Grow a brain. Just kidding. Yer doin finr usin someone eleses.

Buy a gun. If you need to learn how to use it ask @RoosGirl. If you need to earn it....x STAZI

Bigun · « **Reply #38 on:** February 23, 2019, 02:20:41 pm »

Quote from: Smokin Joe on February 23, 2019, 08:15:12 am

The Left has known what they were doing all along.
There is no 'error of their ways' to realize.

This is an act (collectively, composed of numerous smaller acts) that has been calculated, deliberate, and fully intentional, designed to subvert the Constitutional electoral process, and if possible, to remove a duly elected POTUS from office on false pretenses. The word "Treason" comes to mind.
(John Harrington)

Politically, the Democrats and even some Republicans have gambled on the persuasiveness of the Mass Media, the ignorance of their followers, and they are 'all in'. Will they take the final step and foment violence?

I don't see them going meekly to their retirements (or prison cells), nor do I see them forfeiting their former exalted status without doing every possible bit of damage on the way out if they are removed.

If they don't get their way, no one will. They are that vindictive.
(Recall Valerie Jarrett talking about "paybacks"--(To whom? For what?).

For now, the quandry is one of whether the American People will understand what has been going on, whether they will meet these acts with sufficient outrage, and whether they will act, peaceably or otherwise, to ensure that those who have perpetrated this violation, not only of their oaths of office, but the public trust and the Constitution, are removed from their respective offices or positions for their part in this attempted coup d'etat.

Or will they go back to their tube and believe what they have been spoon fed by the glowing propaganda disseminator, secure in their belief that the greater conspiracy, the only conspiracy, against the very fabric of our nation was somehow justified because their candidate did not garner enough electoral votes?

These are the Party of professional victims and professional victimizers, and it would require that the former turn, at least philosophically, upon the latter. More likely, they will be convinced to take to the streets and have a tantrum because they did not get their way, right or wrong.

Not on my street... and stay off my lawn.

I have been telling folks that draining the swamp would be neither easy or quick for a LONG time and NOTHING has occurred that would change my mind about that!

The people who brought us to this point are NOT going to just give up and walk away after investing more than a century of effort to bring us here which means that draining the swamp is going to be a long, dirty process that may well devolve into something much nastier than just politics.

XenaLee · « **Reply #39 on:** February 23, 2019, 03:50:16 pm »

Quote from: bigheadfred on February 23, 2019, 09:30:05 am

@XenaLee

Some of your posts indicate an apocalyptic scenario. Decimation at the urban level is above top contingent. Kill them all. Very few of that will be able to provide for themselves past the C strore on the corner.

If Texas can't provide security in the shtf scenario, Idaho will.

Grow a brain. Just kidding. Yer doin finr usin someone eleses.

Buy a gun. If you need to learn how to use it ask @RoosGirl. If you need to earn it....x STAZI

Pardon my frankness, but.... sounds like simplistic drivel to me.

As for your suggestion to buy a gun, where have you been? This is Texas, after all.

As for the 'apocalyptic scenario' bit.... you would have to be naive or stuckonstupid (or both)... to not think it is highly possible and probable, especially now in this political climate we find ourselves in, for the unthinkable to happen. I have prepared myself mentally for that if/when. Others, not so much. Others apparently prefer to stick their heads in the proverbial sand (or wherever) and pretend it 'can't happen here'.

bigheadfred · « **Reply #40 on:** February 23, 2019, 04:01:18 pm »

Quote from: XenaLee on February 23, 2019, 03:50:16 pm

Pardon my frankness, but.... sounds like simplistic drivel to me.

As for your suggestion to buy a gun, where have you been? This is Texas, after all.

As for the 'apocalyptic scenario' bit.... you would have to be naive or stuckonstupid (or both)... to not think it is highly possible and probable, especially now in this political climate we find ourselves in, for the unthinkable to happen. I have prepared myself mentally for that if/when. Others, not so much. Others apparently prefer to stick their heads in the proverbial sand (or wherever) and pretend it 'can't happen here'.

My apology. Another Texan.

STFU and start shooting.

XenaLee · « **Reply #41 on:** February 23, 2019, 04:08:58 pm »

Quote from: bigheadfred on February 23, 2019, 04:01:18 pm

My apology. Another Texan.

STFU and start shooting.

Lol! Don't worry. We will.

bigheadfred · « **Reply #42 on:** February 23, 2019, 04:55:08 pm »

Quote from: XenaLee on February 23, 2019, 04:08:58 pm

Lol! Don't worry. We will.

But but but the military has a contingency for people like you.

ha ha ha

XenaLee · « **Reply #43 on:** February 23, 2019, 04:59:40 pm »

Quote from: bigheadfred on February 23, 2019, 04:55:08 pm

But but but the military has a contingency for people like you.

ha ha ha

You laugh, but you have no idea what the contingency plans are..... do you. A government with a country under Martial Law tends to frown on armed citizens. Especially if the Martial Law order is enacted by someone on the radical left. Probably 'why' Obama surveyed the military re: whether or not they would be willing to fire upon their fellow citizens. Just sayin...

catfish1957 · « **Reply #44 on:** February 23, 2019, 05:03:06 pm »

Earlier this week one of the guys in my coffee klatch dropped a comment around Trump being a Russian spy so casually that, he thought it was common place knowldege. I confronted him with him to provide some proof. Of course he only countered MSM palbum that pretty much mimicked the Colbert narrative.

Problem is folks is the MSM has spouted this lie for so long, that it will be almost impossible change the perception.

bigheadfred · « **Reply #45 on:** February 23, 2019, 05:51:01 pm »

Quote from: XenaLee on February 23, 2019, 04:59:40 pm

You laugh, but you have no idea what the contingency plans are..... do you. A government with a country under Martial Law tends to frown on armed citizens. Especially if the Martial Law order is enacted by someone on the radical left. Probably 'why' Obama surveyed the military re: whether or not they would be willing to fire upon their fellow citizens. Just sayin...

Grow some balls girl.

You think? You are a <F-bomb redacted> joke.

You have read and understood the shit Bush2 amended the Posse comitatus act too?

Blame it on obama.

Automaton.

Mod Note: It's not nice to defeat the Bleep List.

XenaLee · « **Reply #46 on:** February 23, 2019, 06:15:33 pm »

Quote from: bigheadfred on February 23, 2019, 05:51:01 pm

Grow some balls girl.

You think? You are a <F-bomb redacted> joke.

You have read and understood the shit Bush2 amended the Posse comitatus act too?

Blame it on obama.

Automaton.

Mod Note: It's not nice to defeat the Bleep List.

And you're an idiot double-wrapped in a moron. Such is life.....

corbe · « **Reply #47 on:** February 23, 2019, 06:20:28 pm »

Hey @bigheadfred

catfish1957 · « **Reply #48 on:** February 23, 2019, 06:24:01 pm »

Quote from: corbe on February 23, 2019, 06:20:28 pm

Hey @bigheadfred

Hey Blockbuster......

bigheadfred · « **Reply #49 on:** February 23, 2019, 06:27:30 pm »

Quote from: corbe on February 23, 2019, 06:20:28 pm

Hey @bigheadfred

@Cyber Liberty @mystery-ak

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