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The Greatest Constitutional Crisis Since the Civil War

By Conrad Black  February 21st, 2019

The most immense and dangerous public scandal in American history is finally cracking open like a ripe pomegranate. The broad swath of the Trump-hating media that has participated in what has amounted to an unconstitutional attempt to overthrow the government are reduced to reporting the events and revelations of the scandal in which they have been complicit, in a po-faced ho-hum manner to impart to the misinformed public that this is as routine as stock market fluctuations or the burning of an American flag in Tehran.

For more than two years, the United States and the world have had two competing narratives: that an elected president of the United States was a Russian agent whom the Kremlin helped elect; and its rival narrative that senior officials of the Justice Department, FBI, CIA, and other national intelligence organizations had repeatedly lied under oath, misinformed federal officials, and meddled in partisan political matters illegally and unconstitutionally and had effectively tried to influence the outcome of a presidential election, and then undo its result by falsely propagating the first narrative. It is now obvious and indisputable that the second narrative is the correct one.

The authors, accomplices, and dupes of this attempted overthrow of constitutional government are now well along in reciting their misconduct without embarrassment or remorse because—in fired FBI Director James Comey’s formulation—a “higher duty” than the oath they swore to uphold the Constitution compelled them. Or—in fired FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe’s words—“the threat” was too great. Nevermind that the nature of “the threat” was that the people might elect someone he and Comey disapproved of as president, and that that person might actually serve his term, as elected.

A Long List of Offenders—and Offenses

The extent of the criminal misconduct of the former law enforcement and intelligence chiefs is now notorious, but to make the right point here, it has to be summarized. The fact that the officially preferred candidate lied to federal officials about her emails and acted in outright contempt of Congress and the legal process in the destruction of evidence, was simply ignored by the FBI director, who announced that she would not be prosecuted, though he had no authority to make that determination...

Much more Here.
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- J. R. R. Tolkien

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Re: The Greatest Constitutional Crisis Since the Civil War (Conrad Black)
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2019, 04:07:19 pm »
Yes..... the 'real' crisis is still being enacted in the black heart of America....deep-state DC.  An ongoing attempted coup by leftists and establishment RINOs against Trump.  Which puts the RINOs on the same side as the radical left, btw.   

And even Rush Limbaugh is expressing concern about the future of this nation now.  Something I have never heard him voice previously.
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2019, 04:13:45 pm »
Yes..... the 'real' crisis is still being enacted in the black heart of America....deep-state DC.  An ongoing attempted coup by leftists and establishment RINOs against Trump.  Which puts the RINOs on the same side as the radical left, btw.   

And even Rush Limbaugh is expressing concern about the future of this nation now.  Something I have never heard him voice previously.

It will either be completely and properly dealt with or it won't and the future of our republic hangs on the result.  It really is as simple as that.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2019, 04:16:57 pm »
It will either be completely and properly dealt with or it won't and the future of our republic hangs on the result.  It really is as simple as that.

The future of our republic hangs on many things... not just that.  There are multiple triggers that are being pulled.  The only question will be... which trigger will be 'the one' that sparks the inevitable result of the enemy within/radical left's assault upon our nation...?
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2019, 04:22:11 pm »
Yes..... the 'real' crisis is still being enacted in the black heart of America....deep-state DC.  An ongoing attempted coup by leftists and establishment RINOs against Trump.  Which puts the RINOs on the same side as the radical left, btw.   

And even Rush Limbaugh is expressing concern about the future of this nation now.  Something I have never heard him voice previously.

There are far too many known facts in this case for anyone in DC to pretend to not know what the FBI, Clinton and Obama administration tried to do in 2016.

We know there is no integrity in the rat party, they'll keep up the charade as long as they see a political benefit. Whats shocking is the response of most of the GOP. McConnell, McCarthy et al know exactly what went on/is going on here yet instead of screaming bloody murder still they remain mostly silent. That is ominous and doesn't bode well for the future.

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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2019, 04:25:26 pm »
There are far too many known facts in this case for anyone in DC to pretend to not know what the FBI, Clinton and Obama administration tried to do in 2016.

We know there is no integrity in the rat party, they'll keep up the charade as long as they see a political benefit. Whats shocking is the response of most of the GOP. McConnell, McCarthy et al know exactly what went on/is going on here yet instead of screaming bloody murder still they remain mostly silent. That is ominous and doesn't bode well for the future.

Agreed.
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2019, 04:30:03 pm »
The future of our republic hangs on many things... not just that.  There are multiple triggers that are being pulled.  The only question will be... which trigger will be 'the one' that sparks the inevitable result of the enemy within/radical left's assault upon our nation...?

There is truth to that but I maintain that without the rule of law nothing else matters!
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- J. R. R. Tolkien

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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2019, 04:39:22 pm »
There is truth to that but I maintain that without the rule of law nothing else matters!

Well.... in case you haven't noticed.... the "rule of law" has been absent and/or corrupted for some time now.  There has been a blatant and glaring double standard re: how the "rule of law" is applied, IOW. 
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2019, 04:45:25 pm »
Well.... in case you haven't noticed.... the "rule of law" has been absent and/or corrupted for some time now.  There has been a blatant and glaring double standard re: how the "rule of law" is applied, IOW.

One would have to be blind in order not to notice and while I do have some problems, being blind is not yet among them!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2019, 04:45:53 pm »
Yes..... the 'real' crisis is still being enacted in the black heart of America....deep-state DC.  An ongoing attempted coup by leftists and establishment RINOs against Trump.  Which puts the RINOs on the same side as the radical left, btw.   

And even Rush Limbaugh is expressing concern about the future of this nation now.  Something I have never heard him voice previously.

The entire Congress, the top placeholders at the alphabet agencies, the money people, are ALL part of the radical left.

I don't know what the flashpoint will be. But the outcome will be decided by where the loyalty of the military lies.

She asked me name my foe then. I said the need within some men to fight and kill their brothers without thought of Love or God. Ken Hensley

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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2019, 04:48:35 pm »
The future of our republic hangs on many things... not just that.  There are multiple triggers that are being pulled.  The only question will be... which trigger will be 'the one' that sparks the inevitable result of the enemy within/radical left's assault upon our nation...?
My Godfather, who came to America in the early fifties like my parents, always said America would never be destroyed from the outside, that when it happened it would be from the inside.

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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2019, 04:52:00 pm »
My Godfather, who came to America in the early fifties like my parents, always said America would never be destroyed from the outside, that when it happened it would be from the inside.

Only in the sense that the outside has become the inside.
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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2019, 04:53:41 pm »
The entire Congress, the top placeholders at the alphabet agencies, the money people, are ALL part of the radical left.

I don't know what the flashpoint will be. But the outcome will be decided by where the loyalty of the military lies.

Uhh.... I wouldn't count on the military to not fire upon citizens if/when TSHTF.   They will follow orders... or...like in the movies, they will have a gun to 'their' head by one of their unit or one of their leaders.  Nice dream, but I have no illusions.  Same for if/when there's a national emergency like a nuke attack or emp event.  They have been trained for decades to go in and secure all food stores for military use first and foremost.  If there's no military to fight the enemy, the war is lost.  So the military will protect itself FIRST.  It's just a reality.
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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2019, 04:56:01 pm »
My Godfather, who came to America in the early fifties like my parents, always said America would never be destroyed from the outside, that when it happened it would be from the inside.

Your Godfather was correct.   America can well withstand attacks from our enemies without.  It's the enemy/enemies within that we can't defend against.  They use our very laws and Constitution against us.
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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2019, 05:04:05 pm »
Uhh.... I wouldn't count on the military to not fire upon citizens if/when TSHTF.   They will follow orders... or...like in the movies, they will have a gun to 'their' head by one of their unit or one of their leaders.  Nice dream, but I have no illusions.  Same for if/when there's a national emergency like a nuke attack or emp event.  They have been trained for decades to go in and secure all food stores for military use first and foremost.  If there's no military to fight the enemy, the war is lost.  So the military will protect itself FIRST.  It's just a reality.

People talk about the deep state. Bush 2 and obama made a lot of enemies in the military. That there is a group of "inactive" service members determined to set things straight I have no doubt. My take may be wrong, but I think the majority of the military will back the Constitution.
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« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2019, 05:06:21 pm »
People talk about the deep state. Bush 2 and obama made a lot of enemies in the military. That there is a group of "inactive" service members determined to set things straight I have no doubt. My take may be wrong, but I think the majority of the military will back the Constitution.

That's probably true as well... but I was talking about "active" military.
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« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2019, 05:10:11 pm »
That's probably true as well... but I was talking about "active" military.

And they won't fire on citizens either in the circumstance we are talking about here.
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« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2019, 05:12:29 pm »
And they won't fire on citizens either in the circumstance we are talking about here.

The active military will do whatever they are ordered to do.  The question is... will they ever be ordered to fire on citizens, armed or unarmed.  My guess is yes.
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« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2019, 05:14:56 pm »
The active military will do whatever they are ordered to do.  The question is... will they ever be ordered to fire on citizens, armed or unarmed.  My guess is yes.

No. They won't.
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« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2019, 05:17:08 pm »
No. They won't.

Nice dream you have there.  I would hope, for your sake and for mine.... that you're correct.  But I know better.  Reality sucks.
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« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2019, 05:19:44 pm »
The active military will do whatever they are ordered to do.  The question is... will they ever be ordered to fire on citizens, armed or unarmed.  My guess is yes.

Have you ever heard of posse comitatus? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
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« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2019, 05:23:13 pm »
Nice dream you have there.  I would hope, for your sake and for mine.... that you're correct.  But I know better.  Reality sucks.

IMO, you are not completely informed. One of the top things pounded into the heads of the military is the legality of an order. Years of protecting "civilians " overseas has been tantamount.

Killing the people you swore to protect isn't going to be decided by a mere order.
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« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2019, 05:25:26 pm »
Have you ever heard of posse comitatus? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

Yeah....and that's great under normal conditions.  But...when TSHTF under a major attack or event...

all of that nice, legal crap is out the door. 

Have you ever talked to anyone in special forces?  Have you had any relative in special forces?  If you ever did and had a candid conversation about the military's contingency plans for such events, you would no doubt be shocked and dismayed.  Again...

reality sucks.
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« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2019, 05:29:57 pm »
If you carefully study the Kent State incident, you will learn there were outside agitators, the students responded to such agitation, by flinging urine at weekend warrior NG troops, with little or no riot training.

Said troops fired a few rounds, killed a few.

In the intervening years, our military and police have been much better trained. While sporadic violent incidents might take place, I trust LEO/military will control the situation.

If things spiral out of control, I expect the far better armed patriots' side will team up with authorities to calm it down.


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« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2019, 05:30:17 pm »
IMO, you are not completely informed. One of the top things pounded into the heads of the military is the legality of an order. Years of protecting "civilians " overseas has been tantamount.

Killing the people you swore to protect isn't going to be decided by a mere order.

It will be framed as an "armed insurrection" us vs. them thing, if it happens.  In a real national emergency (again, like an invasion, nuke attack, etc.)... the US military won't know who is foe and who is friend among civilians.  So everyone will be suspect as foe, probably... and dealt with as such... with caution and/or with force, if necessary.  I understand what you're saying... but the reality of the unthinkable happening is that... the unthinkable happens in times of war.  JS...
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