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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2019, 09:56:16 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on February 17, 2019, 09:44:32 pm
It obviously wasn't enough to prevent corruption on a massive scale.

A couple of Amendments took us off the rails...the 16th and 17th.  The 16th screwed up the tax system, and the 17th eliminated representation by the States.
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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2019, 09:59:03 pm »
Quote from: EdJames on February 17, 2019, 09:51:34 pm
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And, it's because the federal bureaucracy is bureaucrats are in charge of it.

I changed it to "bureaucrats" because it always comes down to individual actions by individual people.
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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2019, 10:13:16 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on February 17, 2019, 09:59:03 pm
And, it's because the federal bureaucracy is bureaucrats are in charge of it.

I changed it to "bureaucrats" because it always comes down to individual actions by individual people.

The worst of human nature clearly ensures that those "individual actions by individual people" would be inevitable.

Which is why this illegal abomination should never have been allowed to be forced upon this nation.
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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2019, 11:09:46 pm »
Quote from: EdJames on February 17, 2019, 10:13:16 pm
The worst of human nature clearly ensures that those "individual actions by individual people" would be inevitable.

Which is why this illegal abomination should never have been allowed to be forced upon this nation.

And few have any idea that the progressive income tax we currently suffer is a Marxist wet dream but it is never - the - less.
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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2019, 11:20:53 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on February 17, 2019, 11:09:46 pm
And few have any idea that the progressive income tax we currently suffer is a Marxist wet dream but it is never - the - less.

For sure, for sure.

Just look at the massive amount of social engineering accomplished via the tax code.  Look at all of the wealth confiscation.  Look at all of the privacy violations.  Look at all of the stupendous overgrowth of fedgov financed by this theft.  Look at all of the ...

Well, you understand!
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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2019, 11:26:50 pm »
Quote from: EdJames on February 17, 2019, 11:20:53 pm
For sure, for sure.

Just look at the massive amount of social engineering accomplished via the tax code.  Look at all of the wealth confiscation.  Look at all of the privacy violations.  Look at all of the stupendous overgrowth of fedgov financed by this theft.  Look at all of the ...

Well, you understand!

Damned right I do! And anyone who doesn't needs only to read the paper at the link in my tagline.
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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2019, 11:28:38 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on February 17, 2019, 09:18:33 pm
We could minimize the corruption with good safeguards. We could make rules that restrict them more and hold them more accountable. We could force the government to be more transparent so corruption is a lot harder to hide.

Well, you didn't answer my question. Not that I was really expecting one
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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2019, 11:47:07 pm »
Quote from: LMAO on February 17, 2019, 11:28:38 pm
Well, you didn't answer my question. Not that I was really expecting one

Give him time.  He's trying to find a way to tell us that 400 year old Constitution needs to be scrapped in favor of a shiny new one that lets the leftists turn the USA into a Soviet style "Socialism."   333cleo
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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2019, 01:03:13 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on February 17, 2019, 08:52:34 pm
I am an optimist in most things, but when it comes to using government to "level the playing field" I am as pessimistic as can be.  It's the 45 years of experience talking.

ETA:  Your example of putting a man on the moon is a non-sequitor.  There are some things it can do, but creating "economic equality" is definitely not one of them.  Far from it.  Government always ends up helping out the wealthy because they're the ones with the lobbyists and expensive law firms.

Every bad idea from leftists that start with "If we can put a man on the moon, then we can..." end up enriching the wealthy at the end of the day.

We put a man on the moon (before I was born), but we haven't paid for it yet.  Actually, we owe several times the original cost due to interest.  Imagine how much we'll end up owing if we pay for all the "then we can..." stuff based on a failed premise.
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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2019, 01:05:03 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on February 17, 2019, 09:56:16 pm
A couple of Amendments took us off the rails...the 16th and 17th.  The 16th screwed up the tax system, and the 17th eliminated representation by the States.

Let's not forget 18 and 19.
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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2019, 01:07:40 am »
IMHO there is nothing more immoral than spending the money of generations yet unborn!
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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2019, 01:16:30 am »
Quote from: Bigun on February 18, 2019, 01:07:40 am
IMHO there is nothing more immoral than spending the money of generations yet unborn!

True dat.
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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2019, 01:22:32 am »
Quote from: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on February 18, 2019, 01:05:03 am
Let's not forget 18 and 19.

Considering what the courts have done with it, I'm not very happy with the 14th.  The "Equal Protection" clause opened the door to all sorts of meddling with States Rights.  It was the beginning of the end of the 10th.
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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2019, 01:23:56 am »
Quote from: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on February 18, 2019, 01:03:13 am
We put a man on the moon (before I was born), but we haven't paid for it yet.  Actually, we owe several times the original cost due to interest.  Imagine how much we'll end up owing if we pay for all the "then we can..." stuff based on a failed premise.

Yeah, but it feelz so smart!  *****rollingeyes*****
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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2019, 03:59:47 pm »
In 2016, 2017, and 2018, we recorded net tax provisions of $1.4 billion, $769 million, and $1.2 billion. We have tax benefits relating to excess stock-based compensation deductions and accelerated depreciation deductions that are being utilized to reduce our U.S. taxable income. Cash taxes paid, net of refunds, were $412 million, $957 million, and $1.2 billion for 2016, 2017, and 2018.

FORM 10-K, AMAZON.COM, INC.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1018724/000101872419000004/amzn-20181231x10k.htm#s3E4C8013ABC95E46A37AC9AF28873055
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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2019, 08:11:01 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on February 17, 2019, 09:18:33 pm
We could minimize the corruption with good safeguards. We could make rules that restrict them more and hold them more accountable. We could force the government to be more transparent so corruption is a lot harder to hide.
@Dexter that seems to be your answer for every thing. More laws, more rules, more government interference in our everyday life. Wake up and smell the coffee, move to Cuba, Venezuela, or any other workers paradise, but leave those of us that love freedom the HELL alone.
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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #41 on: February 28, 2019, 08:16:56 pm »
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Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year

How much did they pay tax lawyers and accountants to achieve that result?  YOU pay for that also!
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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #42 on: February 28, 2019, 08:18:45 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on February 18, 2019, 01:07:40 am
IMHO there is nothing more immoral than spending the money of generations yet unborn!
QFT
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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2019, 08:31:03 pm »
Quote from: verga on February 28, 2019, 08:11:01 pm
move to Cuba, Venezuela, or any other workers paradise

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You may be pleased to know that my fiance is a Swede and that we'll be buying a home in Sweden within a couple of years. I'll never stop voicing my opinions on these issues though, sorry.
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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2019, 08:54:39 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on February 28, 2019, 08:31:03 pm
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You may be pleased to know that my fiance is a Swede and that we'll be buying a home in Sweden within a couple of years. I'll never stop voicing my opinions on these issues though, sorry.
And I will never stop giving it all the credit that it is due, which is to say ZERO.
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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #45 on: February 28, 2019, 09:19:37 pm »
Quote from: verga on February 28, 2019, 08:11:01 pm
@Dexter that seems to be your answer for every thing. More laws, more rules, more government interference in our everyday life. Wake up and smell the coffee, move to Cuba, Venezuela, or any other workers paradise, but leave those of us that love freedom the HELL alone.

Meanwhile, the US Constitution, which had been providing the safeguards, has been whittled down quite a bit by clever lawyers boasting about the "Elastic Clause."  What's the leftist solution?  Article Five what remains so they can throw what little remains under the bus.  This is why I decided I don't want an Article Five, despite the persuasive arguments.  I don't trust them to not go rogue on us and erase little things, like the pesky 1st, 2nd and 4th amendments.
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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #46 on: February 28, 2019, 09:24:34 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on February 28, 2019, 08:31:03 pm
:boring:

You may be pleased to know that my fiance is a Swede and that we'll be buying a home in Sweden within a couple of years. I'll never stop voicing my opinions on these issues though, sorry.

Hooray for you.  Why do you give a crap about American institutions so much if you are ditching the US, anyway?  Trying to bring her down so Swedish leftists will have a better go at things? 

Since I know you're leaving, I can now ignore any demands you have to make us like Europe.  Thanks for your honesty.  Be sure and leave any guns you may have at the door, along with your freedom of speech (Ain't no 1st or 2nd Amendments in Europe, as we conservatives understand them.  You probably have no use for those anyway.).
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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #47 on: February 28, 2019, 09:28:06 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on February 28, 2019, 08:31:03 pm
:boring:

You may be pleased to know that my fiance is a Swede and that we'll be buying a home in Sweden within a couple of years. I'll never stop voicing my opinions on these issues though, sorry.

That is excellent news!

Be sure to let us now in say, 5 to 10 years, how wonderfully your modern utopia pans out.
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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #48 on: February 28, 2019, 09:33:47 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2019, 09:24:34 pm
Why do you give a crap about American institutions so much if you are ditching the US, anyway?

I'll still be an American. My family and friends will still be here and my finances will still be connected to the U.S economy.

Quote from: Cyber Liberty on February 28, 2019, 09:24:34 pm
I can now ignore any demands you have to make us like Europe.

As if you didn't do that already...

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Re: Amazon paid no federal taxes on $11.2 billion in profits last year
« Reply #49 on: February 28, 2019, 09:35:13 pm »
Quote from: EdJames on February 28, 2019, 09:28:06 pm
That is excellent news!

Be sure to let us now in say, 5 to 10 years, how wonderfully your modern utopia pans out.

Meanwhile, since he's ditching the US, he can leave us the bleep alone! 
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