Democrats Panic After McConnell Urges 'Green New Deal' Vote. They Get Mocked.

[DCPatriot]

This might back fire on the GOP and make the GOP appear to be against having a clear environment.
Mitch is playing with fire here.

Are you actually a contrarian?   Or, do you just play one at TBR?   

[Bigun]

Are you actually a contrarian?   Or, do you just play one at TBR?

Naw! Just <personal insult removed>

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

This is a really big eff'n deal for the leftist side of the rat party.  They are going to push many different versions and revisions of this job killing proposal for years.   We need to hammer the bastards every time they bring it up. 

This is the right move, at the right time, for all the right reasons.  Whack a rat time.

 

[bigheadfred]

I think now is a good time to hammer them. With the extreme winter conditions people have been experiencing and the incoming data suggesting we are headed for a grand solar minimum now is a good time to tell the people exactly what this NGD is going to do to their energy supplies.

[Smokin Joe]

The GND must be avoided, stopped at all costs. The push back must be so severe that it will not even be broached again except in whispers, with bowed and shaking heads.

The reality is that if they do try, and it fails miserably (which, environmentally and economically, it will), then the new mantra will be that we didn't try hard enough.

No Communist program is discarded without multiple iterations of failure and redoubled efforts, regardless of the increasingly disastrous results. The politicians are too deeply invested in the program, whatever it is.

Lysenkoism is a fine example, and ultimately cost the lives of untold Russians.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/science/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/disastrous-effects-lysenkoism-soviet-agriculture

The Soviet Union was only saved from it by Stalin's death, and the final realization the program was a failure, after over 13 years of failed crops. While Stalin lived, speaking out against the program was punishable by a trip to the Gulag or death.

Well, this same amalgamation of politics and flawed science has reared its head again in the West, wrapped in "green ideology", based on flawed precepts, and again the proposed solution is something which has the potential to cost the ordinary people their lives, not just their businesses, jobs, homes, and prosperity, all for the political imposition of 'science' more based in politics than any scientific principle or valid conclusions drawn from uncorrupted data.

We have already reached the point where speaking out against the assertions of the purveyors of the theories of Anthropogenic Climate Change has one labelled a "Denier" and shuffled off to the Academic equivalent of the gulag, in that papers are rejected by peer reviewers who are proponents of a theory primarily promoted by a guy who was not even a scientist. Now the political side of this neo-Lysenkoism is becoming increasingly shrill, and the pattern of what will follow if this is allowed to continue is written in the pages of Soviet History, in columns of altered data and documentation of crop yields which did not exist, and in the graves of those who starved, only covered up by the civilian slaughter of the Second World War.

The entire "Climate Change" hoax is just another version of Lysenkoism. If ever the economic and regulatory policy of the United States is governed by this meld of Communist politics and flawed science, the consequences will be dire, not just for untold numbers of individuals and industry, but for the Republic itself.

[XenaLee]

This is a really big eff'n deal for the leftist side of the rat party.  They are going to push many different versions and revisions of this job killing proposal for years.   We need to hammer the bastards every time they bring it up. 

This is the right move, at the right time, for all the right reasons.  Whack a rat time.

Well... what you've said sounds logical... except for the FACT that I have yet to witness the GOP "whacking" anyone or anything, let alone the leftist side of the rat party.  Is it even possible... at this point and under these current conditions?   

[XenaLee]

The GND must be avoided, stopped at all costs. The push back must be so severe that it will not even be broached again except in whispers, with bowed and shaking heads.

The reality is that if they do try, and it fails miserably (which, environmentally and economically, it will), then the new mantra will be that we didn't try hard enough.

No Communist program is discarded without multiple iterations of failure and redoubled efforts, regardless of the increasingly disastrous results. The politicians are too deeply invested in the program, whatever it is.

Lysenkoism is a fine example, and ultimately cost the lives of untold Russians.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/science/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/disastrous-effects-lysenkoism-soviet-agriculture

The Soviet Union was only saved from it by Stalin's death, and the final realization the program was a failure, after over 13 years of failed crops. While Stalin lived, speaking out against the program was punishable by a trip to the Gulag or death.

Well, this same amalgamation of politics and flawed science has reared its head again in the West, wrapped in "green ideology", based on flawed precepts, and again the proposed solution is something which has the potential to cost the ordinary people their lives, not just their businesses, jobs, homes, and prosperity, all for the political imposition of 'science' more based in politics than any scientific principle or valid conclusions drawn from uncorrupted data.

We have already reached the point where speaking out against the assertions of the purveyors of the theories of Anthropogenic Climate Change has one labelled a "Denier" and shuffled off to the Academic equivalent of the gulag, in that papers are rejected by peer reviewers who are proponents of a theory primarily promoted by a guy who was not even a scientist. Now the political side of this neo-Lysenkoism is becoming increasingly shrill, and the pattern of what will follow if this is allowed to continue is written in the pages of Soviet History, in columns of altered data and documentation of crop yields which did not exist, and in the graves of those who starved, only covered up by the civilian slaughter of the Second World War.

The entire "Climate Change" hoax is just another version of Lysenkoism. If ever the economic and regulatory policy of the United States is governed by this meld of Communist politics and flawed science, the consequences will be dire, not just for untold numbers of individuals and industry, but for the Republic itself.

Excellent history lesson, SJ.   Thank you.

 

[XenaLee]

But, by then the non-thinkers will already have their minds made up and facts will heruseless.

Only if.... over the next two years .... the GOP is ineffective at exposing the GND as the ridiculous and disastrous leftie wet-dream that it truly is.  But... come to think of it....since they've only been ineffective thus far...

nevermind.   

[austingirl]

Funny!

[austingirl]

More mocking

[LMAO]

 

There’s a reason why Democrats are panicked at the idea of voting on it. It’s a way of getting interest in it and get it in the public eye so that the public at large can chew on it and see for themselves what a stinker this is

This tactic should also be used for so-called “Medicare for All.” The Democrats do not want the public to see what’s in these bills and they don’t want the public to question anything. I have to give Mitch a thumbs up on this

[LMAO]

This might back fire on the GOP and make the GOP appear to be against having a clear environment.
Mitch is playing with fire here.

Then why are people like Markey and other Democrats panicking?

What’s never said out loud is people care about the environment as long as it doesn’t infringe on their standard of living or cost them too much. This would do both in spades

[Smokin Joe]

Then why are people like Markey and other Democrats panicking?

What’s never said out loud is people care about the environment as long as it doesn’t infringe on their standard of living or cost them too much. This would do both in spades

A vote would force the Dems to either support it and risk losing any one with more than two brain cells working in concert next time around (not to mention union support), or vote against it at the risk of losing their wacko socialist support.

It's really a no-win deal for them.

[Chosen Daughter]

Well... what you've said sounds logical... except for the FACT that I have yet to witness the GOP "whacking" anyone or anything, let alone the leftist side of the rat party.  Is it even possible... at this point and under these current conditions?   

If the Democrats are following Nancy they will have to pass it to find out what's in it.

[Fishrrman]

Joe wrote:
"The entire "Climate Change" hoax is just another version of Lysenkoism. If ever the economic and regulatory policy of the United States is governed by this meld of Communist politics and flawed science, the consequences will be dire, not just for untold numbers of individuals and industry, but for the Republic itself."

You know as well as I that someday -- can't say just when, but someday -- the democrat-communists are going to gain enough power to actually try this.

What do you think will happen then...?

[Fishrrman]

Here's the cow graphic so you can read it:

[XenaLee]

Joe wrote:
"The entire "Climate Change" hoax is just another version of Lysenkoism. If ever the economic and regulatory policy of the United States is governed by this meld of Communist politics and flawed science, the consequences will be dire, not just for untold numbers of individuals and industry, but for the Republic itself."

You know as well as I that someday -- can't say just when, but someday -- the democrat-communists are going to gain enough power to actually try this.

What do you think will happen then...?

Same thing that always happens when you put leftist morons in charge of running/ruining a country.  Disaster, starvation, economic collapse, chaos, evil, etc., etc.

[Chosen Daughter]

Here's the cow graphic so you can read it:

That is great!  I love it.

[txradioguy]

And, just roll over and continue to let them control the agenda?  Huh?

Thanks to Alex from The Bronx rolling this thing out and the mockery it has already received...it was going to be DOA on it's own.

Before McConnell decided to bring it up for a vote...you had even Liberal MSM outlets criticizing the deal and the media forcing at least one aide to admit they lied about one part of it.

Now Turtle is shining a spotlight on it...and the knee jerk "If the Republicans are against it then I'm for it" mentality amongst the Dems will kick in.

Lets say it fails along party lines in the Senate...and it will.  The Dems will will simply redouble their efforts because instead of looking at it as a failure they'll use it as a rallying cry in the next election cycle to get 7-8 more Dems in the Senate to actually pass it...under the guise of what @jpsb said that "The Republicans hate the environment...want you to drink dirty water...breathe dirty air etc."

[LMAO]

Thanks to Alex from The Bronx rolling this thing out and the mockery it has already received...it was going to be DOA on it's own.

Before McConnell decided to bring it up for a vote...you had even Liberal MSM outlets criticizing the deal and the media forcing at least one aide to admit they lied about one part of it.

Now Turtle is shining a spotlight on it...and the knee jerk "If the Republicans are against it then I'm for it" mentality amongst the Dems will kick in.

Lets say it fails along party lines in the Senate...and it will.  The Dems will will simply redouble their efforts because instead of looking at it as a failure they'll use it as a rallying cry in the next election cycle to get 7-8 more Dems in the Senate to actually pass it...under the guise of what @jpsb said that "The Republicans hate the environment...want you to drink dirty water...breathe dirty air etc."

 
 I’m willing to bet you’ll see a lot of Democrats in the Senate vote against it. I have no doubt most of them will but they’ll be a significant number that won’t.

 And that’s what’s scaring the Democrats. They are the ones that are panicking not the GOP and for a good reason. They don’t want the public to see what’s in it and how radical it is

 Give the public a little bit more credit. Painting the GOP as against clean water and clean air has been used by Democrats as far back as I can remember so it’s not a new line

[Snarknado]

I'd like to see a vote on it, especially if that involves getting a CBO scoring, which I have to believe would be disastrously astronomical. If voting was in some way advantageous to dems, why wouldn't Pelosi be fast-tracking one in the House?

[catfish1957]

I'd like to see a vote on it, especially if that involves getting a CBO scoring, which I have to believe would be disastrously astronomical. If voting was in some way advantageous to dems, why wouldn't Pelosi be fast-tracking one in the House?

Me too.  I then want to see the RNC immediately  start crafting 2020 camapign ads against all who supported.

[txradioguy]

 Give the public a little bit more credit. Painting the GOP as against clean water and clean air has been used by Democrats as far back as I can remember so it’s not a new line

The vast majority of the people aren't as into politics as you and I.  Remember they elected Obama to office twice.

And the Dems keep using those smears against the GOP year after year because they work...because the GOP never fights back as a party against them.

If they didn't resonate...they'd have dropped that line of attack years ago.

[LMAO]

The vast majority of the people aren't as into politics as you and I.  Remember they elected Obama to office twice.

And the Dems keep using those smears against the GOP year after year because they work...because the GOP never fights back as a party against them.

If they didn't resonate...they'd have dropped that line of attack years ago.

 But if this was all going to play in the Democrats favor why are they panicking and reacting the way they are to the idea of simply holding a debate and a vote?

 Remember HillaryCare? It was supported by the majority of the public until the details got out to them. In fact, I remember it went from majority of support to being so bad that the Democrats lost the House for the first time in 40 years. The same thing happened when the public voted on universal healthcare in Colorado in 2016. This is an opportunity to get this crap sandwich in the minds of the public.

This wasn’t actually supposed to be voted on. It was just supposed to be entertainment  for the base

[txradioguy]

But if this was all going to play in the Democrats favor why are they panicking and reacting the way they are to the idea of simply holding a debate and a vote?

 Remember HillaryCare? It was supported by the majority of the public until the details got out to them. In fact, I remember it went from majority of support to being so bad that the Democrats lost the House for the first time in 40 years. The same thing happened when the public voted on universal healthcare in Colorado in 2016. This is an opportunity to get this crap sandwich in the minds of the public.

This wasn’t actually supposed to be voted on. It was just supposed to be entertainment  for the base

I think part of the problem is what you hit on.  Alex from The Bronx released her plan/scheme before it had been fully developed.  The same way Hillary's half assed attempt at what eventually became Obamacare was released (leaked) before she was ready to present it to the public.

It took another 12 years before the Dems regrouped and made the successful push to get Obamacare rammed down our throats.

I think the panic from the Dems is the fear of another delay to a plan they all (quietly) support because of the sloppy and childish way Cortez presented it.