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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #50 on: February 12, 2019, 03:04:54 PM »
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #51 on: February 12, 2019, 03:11:46 PM »
El Chapo finally convicted and will enjoy the hospitality of the state for the rest of his life.

He made an incredible amount of money and the state is seeking 18 billion dollars from his ill-gotten gains.

Ted Cruz just made the suggestion that this 18 billion be put towards the wall.

I think that's a grand idea and hope Ted pursues it seriously.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #52 on: February 12, 2019, 03:26:08 PM »
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #53 on: February 12, 2019, 03:33:57 PM »
McConnell: Trump should sign funding deal
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/429644-mcconnell-trump-should-sign-funding-deal


Makes me wonder if he has told Thune to whip at least 20 votes.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #54 on: February 12, 2019, 03:37:33 PM »

Makes me wonder if he has told Thune to whip at least 20 votes.

Indeed it does.  It might be a bit tougher to Whip the necessary votes in the House.  McCarthy probably has that covered, too.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #55 on: February 12, 2019, 04:04:16 PM »
Indeed it does.  It might be a bit tougher to Whip the necessary votes in the House.  McCarthy probably has that covered, too.

He’d need to whip 55, which sounds like a lot, but there are 197, currently. That’s a little more than 25% to secure a veto-proof majority.


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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #56 on: February 12, 2019, 04:15:48 PM »

What if the Dem declare a National Emergency on the Climate? Then they will implement the Green New Deal via Executive Action.

Do you really think they're waiting for Trump to use the statute first?

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« Reply #57 on: February 12, 2019, 04:20:50 PM »
Do you really think they're waiting for Trump to use the statute first?

As if !!  We cannot go around worrying about what the dems will do if they get in power.  Actually, we should worry about it, but the point is they will not hesitate to try and pass outrageously stupid and harmful legislation no matter what Trump does.

Trump should do what he thinks best.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #58 on: February 12, 2019, 04:23:22 PM »
Do you really think they're waiting for Trump to use the statute first?


After the way Reid’s use of the nuclear option for judicial appointments have come back to bite them? You better believe it.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #59 on: February 12, 2019, 07:02:29 PM »
I haven't been able to find a copy of the actual "deal".  Has anyone else had any luck?
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #60 on: February 12, 2019, 07:11:48 PM »
I haven't been able to find a copy of the actual "deal".  Has anyone else had any luck?

No, but I'd like to see it.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #61 on: February 12, 2019, 07:26:42 PM »
I haven't been able to find a copy of the actual "deal".  Has anyone else had any luck?

Nope.  I'd be willing to bet we won't be allowed to see it until after the final votes on it, and then only if it's signed by the President.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #62 on: February 12, 2019, 07:49:15 PM »

Yes, you do have to worry about it. If the wall construction can be declared a national emergency, then gun control can be one, in the future, after a mass shooting. Similar declarations can be made for climate change, healthcare, etc.

And what makes you think that... even if Trump does not declare a national emergency....that the rats won't still use 'national emergency' in the future, to implement any of their leftist schemes and agenda?  Nothing has stopped them before.  Look at how they got ObamaCare rammed down our throats against the will of most Americans.  Using that as an excuse for not declaring a NE now is unwise and illogical.
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« Reply #63 on: February 12, 2019, 07:50:25 PM »
Nope.  I'd be willing to bet we won't be allowed to see it until after the final votes on it, and then only if it's signed by the President.

Any promise of 'transparency' in DC is just another baldfaced LIE.
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« Reply #64 on: February 12, 2019, 07:53:07 PM »

Yes, you do have to worry about it. If the wall construction can be declared a national emergency, then gun control can be one, in the future, after a mass shooting. Similar declarations can be made for climate change, healthcare, etc.
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No, gun control would require an amendment to the Constitution; defending the border and our sovereignty is actually a legitimate function of the federal government.
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« Reply #65 on: February 12, 2019, 07:56:30 PM »
No, gun control would require an amendment to the Constitution; defending the border and our sovereignty is actually a legitimate function of the federal government.


The 1934 Firearms Act and 1968 Gun Control Act didn’t. The assault weapons ban and magazine restrictions required no such amendment. Neither did the ban of bump stocks under this administration.
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« Reply #66 on: February 12, 2019, 07:59:52 PM »

The 1934 Firearms Act and 1968 Gun Control Act didn’t. The assault weapons ban and magazine restrictions required no such amendment. Neither did the ban of bump stocks under this administration.

As you well know, that's not a decided issue. 
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« Reply #67 on: February 12, 2019, 08:08:10 PM »
As you well know, that's not a decided issue.


Which? They all went into effect. Parts of them still exist, with the NRA’s blessing. The assault weapons ban expired, but nearly got another chance, last year.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/02/28/president-trump-asks-dianne-feinstein-add-assault-weapons-ban-school-safety-bill/
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #68 on: February 12, 2019, 08:14:06 PM »
El Chapo got convicted. I hear he has some spare change we can use to fund the wall.

But that isn't how that works. Money is allocated. And it is the House that allocates. The money must be used for the purpose authorized. There is no getting around that.

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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #69 on: February 12, 2019, 08:18:43 PM »
Lets see how this plays out. Obviously the Pubs are worthless when negotiating a deal with the Rats. The next move is Trump's, does he agree to it or does he reject it?

If Trump rejects the latest agreement does he declare a national emergency, or use his executive authority to direct construction using available funds from various depts.?

I don't believe there will be another shut down. I think Trump signs a CR, rejects the "deal" and begins building using identified funds from various depts.

I thought he could use the funds and it would be legal.  Other presidents have done it and it would hold up to judicial challenge.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #70 on: February 12, 2019, 08:18:50 PM »
But that isn't how that works. Money is allocated. And it is the House that allocates. The money must be used for the purpose authorized. There is no getting around that.


You can’t tell Trump that. He still thinks the Chinese are paying the cost of tariffs on their goods sold here. You have to wonder if he can even balance a checkbook.




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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #71 on: February 12, 2019, 08:21:34 PM »
    Is that checkbook thing a trick question?  @edpc
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #72 on: February 12, 2019, 08:21:51 PM »

You can’t tell Trump that. He still thinks the Chinese are paying the cost of tariffs on their goods sold here. You have to wonder if he can even balance a checkbook.

Well, to be fair, that's what you get with CEOs...

If you want someone who actually does business, look for a COO or CFO.

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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #73 on: February 12, 2019, 08:39:26 PM »
Nope.  I'd be willing to bet we won't be allowed to see it until after the final votes on it, and then only if it's signed by the President.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #74 on: February 12, 2019, 08:42:17 PM »

You can’t tell Trump that. He still thinks the Chinese are paying the cost of tariffs on their goods sold here. You have to wonder if he can even balance a checkbook.
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