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Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« on: February 12, 2019, 12:25:04 PM »
Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
By Jordan Fabian - 02/12/19 12:14 PM EST

President Trump on Tuesday knocked a bipartisan deal to avert a government shutdown while providing some funding for barriers along the U.S.-Mexico border.

“I can’t say I’m happy. I can’t say I’m thrilled,” Trump told reporters during a Cabinet meeting.

He did not say whether he would sign or veto the proposal but added he would hold a meeting to discuss it later.

The proposal would provide $1.375 billion in funding for roughly 55 miles of new barriers along the southern border, well short of the $5.7 billion Trump demanded.

In exchange, Democrats dropped their insistence that Congress place a hard cap on the number of immigrants that Immigration and Customs Enforcement is allowed to detain at a given time.

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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2019, 12:31:41 PM »
So the rats threw out a last minute demand then retracted it as a 'concession' to Trump dropping a requirement he's had since the get-go.

Its like negotiating with Adnani Arabs.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2019, 12:55:20 PM »
Anyone else getting a déjà vu feeling? Time and again, he’s shown to be a terrible negotiator. The only thing that has prevented disaster is pushback, from the base and pundits. Last year, around the same time...


"I think my positions are going to be what the people in this room come up with.," he said. "I am very much reliant on the people in this room. I know most of the people on both sides; have a lot of respect for the people on both sides, and my -- what I approve is going to be very much reliant on what the people in this room come to me with. I have great confidence in the people. If they come to me with things that I'm not in love with, I'm going to do it, because I respect them."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/01/09/trump_promises_to_sign_an_answer_for_daca_that_will_be_a_bill_of_love.html


I expect this legislation will get signed and we will have another ‘never again’ protest ceremony, as we did with the omnibus bill, last year.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2019, 01:02:03 PM »
Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
By Jordan Fabian - 02/12/19 12:14 PM EST

President Trump on Tuesday knocked a bipartisan deal to avert a government shutdown while providing some funding for barriers along the U.S.-Mexico border.

“I can’t say I’m happy. I can’t say I’m thrilled,” Trump told reporters during a Cabinet meeting.

He did not say whether he would sign or veto the proposal but added he would hold a meeting to discuss it later.

The proposal would provide $1.375 billion in funding for roughly 55 miles of new barriers along the southern border, well short of the $5.7 billion Trump demanded.

In exchange, Democrats dropped their insistence that Congress place a hard cap on the number of immigrants that Immigration and Customs Enforcement is allowed to detain at a given time.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/429603-trump-cant-say-im-happy-with-border-security-deal

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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2019, 01:13:28 PM »
In the same exchange, where he says ‘I’m not happy,’ he also said he took ownership of the last shutdown, always had, and was proud of it. He’s not even pretending to be honest, anymore.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2019, 01:14:14 PM »
He shouldn't be thrilled....if he signs a deal like that it's bye bye 2020.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2019, 01:14:55 PM »
In the same exchange, where he says ‘I’m not happy,’ he also said he took ownership of the last shutdown, always had, and was proud of it. He’s not even pretending to be honest, anymore.

I'm starting to get bored with this game...

ETA:  I'm talking about the President's game....
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2019, 01:16:52 PM »
Then which dwarf are you?

No one (should) cares about how you feel. They care about what you do.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2019, 01:17:04 PM »
I'm starting to get bored with this game...

ETA:  I'm talking about the President's game....

I'm tuning out until its all over. Results are all that matter.

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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2019, 01:18:20 PM »
He shouldn't be thrilled....if he signs a deal like that it's bye bye 2020.


It would seem that his best move, at this point, would be pocket veto. That way, he would not have to suffer the potential embarrassment of an actual veto override, blame passage on Congress, and also be able to say he did not actually sign it.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2019, 01:19:54 PM »
I'm tuning out until its all over. Results are all that matter.

That's where I've been for a while.  It's become more difficult than ever trying to suss out what's going on.  In December Trump sounded like he was going to sign a bill with no wall, then he did a 180.  This "feels" the same.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2019, 01:21:15 PM »

It would seem that his best move, at this point, would be pocket veto. That way, he would not have to suffer the potential embarrassment of an actual veto override, blame passage on Congress, and also be able to say he did not actually sign it.

Doesn't the Congress have to be out of session for that?  If he refuses to sign or veto a bill, it becomes law anyway....

ETA:  I missed this part when I first read your post:  "...blame passage on Congress..."
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2019, 01:22:14 PM »
Lets see how this plays out. Obviously the Pubs are worthless when negotiating a deal with the Rats. The next move is Trump's, does he agree to it or does he reject it?

If Trump rejects the latest agreement does he declare a national emergency, or use his executive authority to direct construction using available funds from various depts.?

I don't believe there will be another shut down. I think Trump signs a CR, rejects the "deal" and begins building using identified funds from various depts.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2019, 01:23:58 PM »
Doesn't the Congress have to be out of session for that?  If he refuses to sign or veto a bill, it becomes law anyway....

You are correct. f the President doesn't sign a bill in ten days 'if congress is in session' it automatically becomes law. He approves it through inaction.

If congress is out of session, then you have a pocket veto.

This is called the Presentment Clause of the Constitution. Article I, Section 7, Clauses 2 and 3

There is no session recess planned in the next 10 days.

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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2019, 01:25:05 PM »

If Trump rejects the latest agreement does he declare a national emergency, or use his executive authority to direct construction using available funds from various depts.?


He could have done this two years ago. All of these games were not necessary (unless the game was the actual goal instead of the wall).

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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2019, 01:26:18 PM »
I'm tuning out until its all over. Results are all that matter.

Good advice. It's a long slow process and everyone wants things resolved immediately.

I'm sticking with Trump. He is relentless and he is smart enough to know he has no chance of being re-elected if he doesn't build the wall.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2019, 01:28:40 PM »
Doesn't the Congress have to be out of session for that?  If he refuses to sign or veto a bill, it becomes law anyway....

ETA:  I missed this part when I first read your post:  "...blame passage on Congress..."


Yes, I meant the customary 10 day period, where it does become law. That way, it can go to into effect, without his signature. The only sticking point would be the timeframe. The government will partially shut down again, after midnight, on Friday. Waiting the prescribed 10 days would cause a shutdown of about one week, or so.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2019, 01:33:01 PM »
He could have done this two years ago. All of these games were not necessary (unless the game was the actual goal instead of the wall).

The game has always been the goal.

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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2019, 01:33:46 PM »
He could have done this two years ago. All of these games were not necessary (unless the game was the actual goal instead of the wall).

That has been my point of contention all along.  He waited till the last darn minute to do anything and he could have taken discretionary funds and built the dang wall.  He could have declared a national emergency two years ago and the issue may have been resolved through the courts before the mid terms; probably retaining the majority in the house.

Should have, would have, could have, but we need to deal with what he does in the present.  He's stated that he's not happy with the deal.  Now is the time to send e-mails, and pick up the phone and encourage that he vetoes this ridiculous bill that falls millions and miles short of what is needed. 

I am hopeful that he will not back down and go forward with getting funds elsewhere.  Mike Lee has commented that he can get most of the wall built through constitutional means.

If he goes ahead and signs the bill, then to me he never had any intent of a wall and it was nothing more than a statement to get him elected to prevent a true conservative from winning.

His STOTU was the best I've ever heard and I'm placing my bets that Trump will not disappoint.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2019, 01:34:46 PM »
That's where I've been for a while.  It's become more difficult than ever trying to suss out what's going on.  In December Trump sounded like he was going to sign a bill with no wall, then he did a 180.  This "feels" the same.


The CR in December allowed $1.6B for ‘border security,’ but no wall. During the negotiations with the incoming Congress, Pelosi had said she would not give one dollar for the wall. Now, you can technically say she caved, because this bill has $1.3B for wall construction. However, I doubt she will take much fire from her side over it.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2019, 01:37:35 PM »
He could have done this two years ago. All of these games were not necessary (unless the game was the actual goal instead of the wall).

He could have, but after the inauguration he made a point of trying to reach out to the establishment Pubs and to work with them. He had establishment Pubs appointed to his cabinet and staff. He made a point of trying to work with Ryan & McConnell, relying on them to advance his legislative agenda. In hindsight it was an error, but at the time it seemed like a good way to get a lot done.

A couple months ago Trump was indicating he was ready to sign the CR with 1.7 billion wall funding in it and an understanding that the balance of funding would be resolved by March. However, his base blew a gasket and Trump recognizing his mistake did a 180 and the shutdown followed. I don't believe Trump has never intended to build the wall. It was his misplaced faith in Ryan & McConnell that brought us to where we are today.

Going forward is the issue, not looking back. I believe Trump will get the wall built. He has too much at stake and his ego is too big to not get it done.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2019, 01:40:13 PM »

The CR in December allowed $1.6B for ‘border security,’ but no wall. During the negotiations with the incoming Congress, Pelosi had said she would not give one dollar for the wall. Now, you can technically say she caved, because this bill has $1.3B for wall construction. However, I doubt she will take much fire from her side over it.

I think she's still trying to apply strings to ensure whatever barrier will be ineffective. 
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2019, 01:41:09 PM »
He is now saying he doesn't want another shutdown and it is unlikely, so it sounds like he is signaling he will sign it then blame whatever on the Dems.

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/12/693879227/trump-says-hes-not-happy-with-budget-deal-but-thinks-shutdown-unlikely


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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2019, 01:42:45 PM »
He shouldn't be thrilled....if he signs a deal like that it's bye bye 2020.

I would not go that far @Cyber Liberty but it would certainly cause a temporary disappointment.

I thought Trump seemed a little dispirited in the press conference this morning.  I think a lot of people are pulling at him to go different ways and some of those people are big fat cowards.

Trump did mention declaring a national emergency and cited several president who had done so.  He insisted the wall would get built.  I believe he really doesn't want another shutdown but whether he'll sign that crappy bill to avoid it, I'm not sure.

While this is going on, Trump is slowly and surely building strong support for a wall among the people and strong support for his own presidency.

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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2019, 01:45:01 PM »
apropos of nothing

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