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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2019, 01:46:41 PM »
I would not go that far @Cyber Liberty but it would certainly cause a temporary disappointment.

I thought Trump seemed a little dispirited in the press conference this morning.  I think a lot of people are pulling at him to go different ways and some of those people are big fat cowards.

Trump did mention declaring a national emergency and cited several president who had done so.  He insisted the wall would get built.  I believe he really doesn't want another shutdown but whether he'll sign that crappy bill to avoid it, I'm not sure.

While this is going on, Trump is slowly and surely building strong support for a wall among the people and strong support for his own presidency.

I will pray for him to make the right decision.

It's hard to know what's the right decision.  It's why people are just refusing to pay attention and are just waiting until something comes out of the sausage factory.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2019, 01:47:56 PM »
apropos of nothing

Where have all the heroes gone?

Davy Crockett looks over the wall of the Alamo and sees 25,000 Mexicans marching towards them. He turns to Jim Bowie and says, "Looks like we're gonna pour some concrete".

"Heroes" don't do that anymore.  They just run for the US Senate in AZ.   9999hair out0000
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2019, 01:49:25 PM »
Well, he could also sign the deal to avoid a shutdown, then quietly utilize the funds that are available constitutionally and get the remainder of the wall built.  Last resort; in additional to signing to avoid a shut down, then declare a national emergency.  It would go through the courts with a possibility that he'd win.  Meanwhile he still would have immediate funds for 55 miles.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2019, 01:49:54 PM »
"Heroes" don't do that anymore.  They just run for the US Senate in AZ.   9999hair out0000

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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2019, 01:51:18 PM »
Good advice. It's a long slow process and everyone wants things resolved immediately.

I'm sticking with Trump. He is relentless and he is smart enough to know he has no chance of being re-elected if he doesn't build the wall.

Me, too @bilo  and, sorry, but I'm just naive enough to believe that Trump cares about America and actually believes we need a wall.  He makes that case passionately.

A lot of people around here think it is so easy, but Trump came in with a less than enthusiastic support from his own party, a lot of leftover angst from the election, and the nastiest bunch of democrats we've had in a while, and that's saying something.

I think he's done really well, slowly building more real support in his party and increasing his popularity among the public, while making real accomplishments in the economy, the job picture, trade, foreign policy and so much else.

I think Trump should declare a national emergency and be done with it, but I think he's facing from real fear and opposition from advisors and other Republicans.  I hope he ignores them but he can't just flip them off.

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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2019, 01:52:57 PM »
apropos of nothing

Where have all the heroes gone?

Davy Crockett looks over the wall of the Alamo and sees 25,000 Mexicans marching towards them. He turns to Jim Bowie and says, "Looks like we're gonna pour some concrete".

wop wop
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2019, 01:59:28 PM »
Well, he could also sign the deal to avoid a shutdown, then quietly utilize the funds that are available constitutionally and get the remainder of the wall built.  Last resort; in additional to signing to avoid a shut down, then declare a national emergency.  It would go through the courts with a possibility that he'd win.  Meanwhile he still would have immediate funds for 55 miles.


You can forget the original emergency declaration, as it was understood. It’s a pyrrich victory, because it gives the next inevitable Dem president free hand for their pet issues. That is the same reason you have seen the nuclear option exercise on personnel appointment, but not fiscal issues. It’s a political boomerang.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2019, 02:02:11 PM »
In the same exchange, where he says ‘I’m not happy,’ he also said he took ownership of the last shutdown, always had, and was proud of it. He’s not even pretending to be honest, anymore.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2019, 02:11:08 PM »

You can forget the original emergency declaration, as it was understood. It’s a pyrrich victory, because it gives the next inevitable Dem president free hand for their pet issues. That is the same reason you have seen the nuclear option exercise on personnel appointment, but not fiscal issues. It’s a political boomerang.

That's why I stated declaring a national emergency as a last resort.  There are other ways to get funding.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2019, 02:17:02 PM »
That's why I stated declaring a national emergency as a last resort.  There are other ways to get funding.

We need to stop living in fear of what the next democrat who gets office will do.  It will be a disaster whatever Trump does.  And it's not as if declaring a national emergency is unheard of.  Trump cited several prior presidents who had done so and he certainly can point to as great an emergency, when people join forces hundreds of miles away and march to invade.

And @libertybele since you have such a handy supply of 'other ways' why don't you mention them to the President.

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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2019, 02:22:31 PM »
We need to stop living in fear of what the next democrat who gets office will do.  It will be a disaster whatever Trump does.  And it's not as if declaring a national emergency is unheard of.  Trump cited several prior presidents who had done so and he certainly can point to as great an emergency, when people join forces hundreds of miles away and march to invade.


Yes, you do have to worry about it. If the wall construction can be declared a national emergency, then gun control can be one, in the future, after a mass shooting. Similar declarations can be made for climate change, healthcare, etc.


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And @libertybele since you have such a handy supply of 'other ways' why don't you mention them to the President.


It’s precisely what Sarah Sanders had said, prior to the December shutdown. Also, it’s what Mulvaney had been discussing, over the past couple days.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/12/18/sanders_the_president_has_asked_every_agency_to_find_money_to_pay_for_wall.html

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/429313-mulvaney-trump-can-move-money-around-to-get-wall-funding
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2019, 02:23:33 PM »
That's why I stated declaring a national emergency as a last resort.  There are other ways to get funding.

If politics were all that mattered to him all Trump would need to do is declare the emergency. It wouldn't matter the outcome in the courts, his supporters wouldn't hold him accountable for what the 9th circuit court or squishy GOP congressmen say, they'd credit him for doing everything he could.

It seems he really does want to accomplish this the 'right' way.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2019, 02:23:56 PM »
We need to stop living in fear of what the next democrat who gets office will do.  It will be a disaster whatever Trump does.  And it's not as if declaring a national emergency is unheard of.  Trump cited several prior presidents who had done so and he certainly can point to as great an emergency, when people join forces hundreds of miles away and march to invade.

And @libertybele since you have such a handy supply of 'other ways' why don't you mention them to the President.

All we would have to do to cure that "fear" would be to make the Rat party illegal.  It was Rats not worrying about what happens when the GOP is in power is how the Filibuster became crippled.  They either assumed the GOP would never win elections again or didn't care about the long-term damage they were doing.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2019, 02:24:59 PM »

Yes, you do have to worry about it. If the wall construction can be declared a national emergency, then gun control can be one, in the future, after a mass shooting.  Similar decorations to be made for climate change, healthcare, etc.

I think you said it better than I...thanks.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2019, 02:27:23 PM »
We need to stop living in fear of what the next democrat who gets office will do.  It will be a disaster whatever Trump does.  And it's not as if declaring a national emergency is unheard of.  Trump cited several prior presidents who had done so and he certainly can point to as great an emergency, when people join forces hundreds of miles away and march to invade.

And @libertybele since you have such a handy supply of 'other ways' why don't you mention them to the President.


What if the Dem declare a National Emergency on the Climate? Then they will implement the Green New Deal via Executive Action.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2019, 02:28:06 PM »
I think you said it better than I...thanks.


Except autocorrect changed ‘declarations’ to ‘decorations’ – LOL. I need to proofread better.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2019, 02:30:13 PM »
I am completely in support of gun control.

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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2019, 02:32:19 PM »
El Chapo got convicted. I hear he has some spare change we can use to fund the wall.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2019, 02:33:41 PM »

Except autocorrect changed ‘declarations’ to ‘decorations’ – LOL. I need to proofread better.

I like "decorations" for this...
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2019, 02:38:25 PM »
Anyone else getting a déjà vu feeling? Time and again, he’s shown to be a terrible negotiator. The only thing that has prevented disaster is pushback, from the base and pundits. Last year, around the same time...


"I think my positions are going to be what the people in this room come up with.," he said. "I am very much reliant on the people in this room. I know most of the people on both sides; have a lot of respect for the people on both sides, and my -- what I approve is going to be very much reliant on what the people in this room come to me with. I have great confidence in the people. If they come to me with things that I'm not in love with, I'm going to do it, because I respect them."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/01/09/trump_promises_to_sign_an_answer_for_daca_that_will_be_a_bill_of_love.html


I expect this legislation will get signed and we will have another ‘never again’ protest ceremony, as we did with the omnibus bill, last year.

Smells just like the "repeal" of Obamacare all over again.

Can't wait to see how this is explained away when he signs the bill.  The shutdown will have been for nothing.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2019, 02:39:48 PM »


Whatever is he gonna do now that his 'one trick pony' has been exposed as incapable?

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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2019, 02:44:13 PM »

Yes, you do have to worry about it. If the wall construction can be declared a national emergency, then gun control can be one, in the future, after a mass shooting. Similar declarations can be made for climate change, healthcare, etc.



It’s precisely what Sarah Sanders had said, prior to the December shutdown. Also, it’s what Mulvaney had been discussing, over the past couple days.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/12/18/sanders_the_president_has_asked_every_agency_to_find_money_to_pay_for_wall.html

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/429313-mulvaney-trump-can-move-money-around-to-get-wall-funding

That National Emergency Law even has provisions in it to allow the government to take over sectors of industry.

The next Dem president simply has to declare a "national emergency" over gun violence and next thing you know...under this law the Feds are taking over the gun manufacturers and shutting them down.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2019, 02:44:20 PM »
Smells just like the "repeal" of Obamacare all over again.

Can't wait to see how this is explained away when he signs the bill.  The shutdown will have been for nothing.


You can expect it to be similar to the Obamacare saga. They will cite ‘progress’ as victory. The individual mandate is gone, so you should be ecstatic. Similarly, 55 miles of wall is the same thing as fulfilling the campaign promise. You just need to re-elect him in 2020, because it needs to be completed and this time, he really, really means it. Pinky promise.
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2019, 03:00:52 PM »
That National Emergency Law even has provisions in it to allow the government to take over sectors of industry.

The next Dem president simply has to declare a "national emergency" over gun violence and next thing you know...under this law the Feds are taking over the gun manufacturers and shutting them down.


Just a few days ago…


David Hogg: Trump Should Declare Gun Violence as Emergency

https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/897307?section=newsfront&keywords=david-hogg-trump-gun-control&year=2019&month=01&date=08&id=897307&oref=r.search.yahoo.com
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Re: Trump: 'Can't say I'm happy' with border security deal
« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2019, 03:03:40 PM »
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