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McCarthy says Dems gave into Trump on border wall
« on: February 12, 2019, 11:19:46 AM »
McCarthy says Dems gave into Trump on border wall
By Juliegrace Brufke - 02/12/19 11:07 AM EST

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) on Tuesday said Democrats gave into President Trump’s request for a wall.

“You have to remember where [Speaker] Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was - she who said no money for a wall that’s not the case,” he said during an appearance on CNBC. "The Democrats have now agreed to more than 55 miles of new barrier being built.”

Congressional negotiators announced they had come to an “agreement in principle” on a government funding deal on Monday evening. The measure is expected to include $1.375 billion to build a barrier along the border, the amount included in the 2018 fiscal year bill.

McCarthy cited the funding for bollard fencing as a win for Republicans, who have largely stood with the president’s demand for a border wall.

He also pointed to the deal’s flexibility in the number of beds at detention facilities — a sticking point for negotiators over the weekend — as a concession from Democrats.

"The Democrats changed course when they said, 'There would be no detention beds,'" he continued. "They backed away on that. Now we are able to have those detention beds again. It's not as high a number as we would have liked."

It remains unclear whether President Trump will support the agreement.

Appropriators said they hope to have legislative text for the bill by Wednesday. Lawmakers have until Friday to pass a bill to avert a second government shutdown this year.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/429589-mccarthy-says-dems-gave-into-trump-on-border-wall
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Re: McCarthy says Dems gave into Trump on border wall
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2019, 11:22:36 AM »
It is certainly troubling that the GOP House members couldn't find a way to elect a different Leader.

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Re: McCarthy says Dems gave into Trump on border wall
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2019, 11:22:51 AM »
How exactly did they "give in if only an additional 50 miles of fence will be added and about a quarter of the money needed is going to be authorized.

The reduction in bed space to hold illegals will simply mean more catch and release of people illegally entering our country.

This is a win?
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Re: McCarthy says Dems gave into Trump on border wall
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2019, 11:25:31 AM »
Yeah Kevin! The democrats have been giving in just this way for ages you sick loser!

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Re: McCarthy says Dems gave into Trump on border wall
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2019, 11:26:26 AM »
They offered him $2 Billion in the last compromise. They reduced it to $1.375 Billion in this. I'm not sure who is losing at this point if this deal is accepted.

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Re: McCarthy says Dems gave into Trump on border wall
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2019, 11:33:39 AM »
Trump really doesn't understand how Democrats work. All he has to do is to accept the $2 billion with 50 miles and then with what are called "cost overruns" he should spend $10 billion and then just build whatever the hell he wants to build. This is how the Democrats do it.

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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2019, 11:58:37 AM »
Trump really doesn't understand how Democrats work. All he has to do is to accept the $2 billion with 50 miles and then with what are called "cost overruns" he should spend $10 billion and then just build whatever the hell he wants to build. This is how the Democrats do it.

Trump should play the game by Democrat rules.

He doesn't have to do any of that. He has more than enough in the discretionary budgets for departments under the executive branch (such as Homeland Security and DOD) to cover this and more.

The secure Fence Act, already law, allows engineers to be flexible with design and construction based on the needs of the area.

None of these games are necessary if the goal is actually improving security. 

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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2019, 01:45:02 PM »
He doesn't have to do any of that. He has more than enough in the discretionary budgets for departments under the executive branch (such as Homeland Security and DOD) to cover this and more.

The secure Fence Act, already law, allows engineers to be flexible with design and construction based on the needs of the area.

None of these games are necessary if the goal is actually improving security.

Great point!

I think this exactly where this is headed. The Pubs have again shown themselves incapable of negotiating with the Rats. Trump is relentless and loves being seen as the "hero". He will build the wall on his own despite all the DC types trying to stop him.
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2019, 01:49:13 PM »
Great point!

I think this exactly where this is headed. The Pubs have again shown themselves incapable of negotiating with the Rats. Trump is relentless and loves being seen as the "hero". He will build the wall on his own despite all the DC types trying to stop him.

It shouldn't be 'headed there', he should have gone there on day one.

What he needed was a good project manager to look at available resources, assets, funding, and laws, and worked within that. Instead, the past two years was all about the game. It wasn't about actually securing anything- it was about keeping people fired up and angry.

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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2019, 02:09:40 PM »
He doesn't have to do any of that. He has more than enough in the discretionary budgets for departments under the executive branch (such as Homeland Security and DOD) to cover this and more.

The secure Fence Act, already law, allows engineers to be flexible with design and construction based on the needs of the area.

None of these games are necessary if the goal is actually improving security.

So we deplete two budgets that were decimated by sequestration and Obama's hatred of ICE et al for almost 8 years just to make up for a shortfall that is two days of the cost of detaining illegal aliens in this country every year?

Are you high?  Especially where the DoD is concerned.  Not sure where you come up with this notion that the DoD budget is "discretionary" but that's not true.  Same for DHS.

If anything those two budgets are off limits.  Unlike some of the other executive branch departments...those two actually have a real world mission. 

That kind of thinking is what the Dems would concoct to pay for the wall...that's not a conservative idea or solution in any way shape or form.
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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2019, 02:15:16 PM »
This sounds like John Boehner, small ball sequester BS victories.
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2019, 02:15:38 PM »
So we deplete two budgets that were decimated by sequestration and Obama's hatred of ICE et al for almost 8 years just to make up for a shortfall that is two days of the cost of detaining illegal aliens in this country every year?

Are you high?  Especially where the DoD is concerned.  Not sure where you come up with this notion that the DoD budget is "discretionary" but that's not true.  Same for DHS.

If anything those two budgets are off limits.  Unlike some of the other executive branch departments...those two actually have a real world mission. 

That kind of thinking is what the Dems would concoct to pay for the wall...that's not a conservative idea or solution in any way shape or form.

I didn't say to 'deplete two budgets'. What Trump was asking for was a tiny fraction of the discretionary budget under Executive Branch departments. He was only asking for $5 Billion to start. For 2019 alone, those departments have $111.4 Billion in discretionary budget on top of their appropriated funds.

A good project manager would look at all available resources, budgets, and laws, and work within that. The point is everything is there to do that. The games were never necessary (unless the game was the goal).


It also means you are not appropriating new funds. They are funds already available and with baseline budgeting, may end up having gone to waste just to wrap up a budget cycle.



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Re: McCarthy says Dems gave into Trump on border wall
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2019, 02:21:26 PM »
I didn't say to 'deplete two budgets'. What Trump was asking for was a tiny fraction of the discretionary budget under Executive Branch departments. He was only asking for $5 Billion to start. For 2019 alone, those departments have $111.4 Billion in discretionary budget on top of their appropriated funds.

You don't seem to understand what taking that kind of money out of either budget would do to their operations...those "discretionary funds" for the DoD...I believe the term we use for that os OCO money.  That helps fund what we're doing in Iraq and Afghanistan.  In DHS..."discretionary funds"...IIRC..It helps pay ICE agents the overtime they rack up protecting the border...inspecting cargo...performing customs duties because they are short agents.

That $111.4 billion should be worked into their normal budgets...but it isn't and has to get to them in another way...and you want to deny it to them and potentially harm ongoing missions.

Well done.

How about we look at the "discretionary funds" of the Social Security Office...or the SNAP program in the AG Department...how much fat could be trimmed from the Welfare program as a whole?

I'm guessing enough to build a double wall.

But hey...go ahead and keep cheerleading to take money from two agencies that actually help carry out two of the jobs the President is actually tasked with doing.
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2019, 02:24:42 PM »
Yeah Kevin! The democrats have been giving in just this way for ages you sick loser!

I tell ya.   When the spin makes you burst out laughing, the credibility meter is probably touching zero.
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2019, 04:41:27 PM »
They’re calling it a ‘win,’ because Pelosi said zero for the wall.   :shrug: *****rollingeyes*****
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He doesn't have to do any of that. He has more than enough in the discretionary budgets for departments under the executive branch (such as Homeland Security and DOD) to cover this and more.

The secure Fence Act, already law, allows engineers to be flexible with design and construction based on the needs of the area.

None of these games are necessary if the goal is actually improving security.

Exactly what I've been saying for months.  Lots of departments have discretionary funds which he can use.  Hello, Mr. President, let's get this darn wall built!!!!!
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Re: McCarthy says Dems gave into Trump on border wall
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2019, 05:36:49 PM »
You don't seem to understand what taking that kind of money out of either budget would do to their operations...those "discretionary funds" for the DoD...I believe the term we use for that os OCO money.  That helps fund what we're doing in Iraq and Afghanistan.  In DHS..."discretionary funds"...IIRC..It helps pay ICE agents the overtime they rack up protecting the border...inspecting cargo...performing customs duties because they are short agents.

That $111.4 billion should be worked into their normal budgets...but it isn't and has to get to them in another way...and you want to deny it to them and potentially harm ongoing missions.

Well done.

How about we look at the "discretionary funds" of the Social Security Office...or the SNAP program in the AG Department...how much fat could be trimmed from the Welfare program as a whole?

I'm guessing enough to build a double wall.

But hey...go ahead and keep cheerleading to take money from two agencies that actually help carry out two of the jobs the President is actually tasked with doing.

No.  Not taking out of budget but discretionary funds which are in addition to $$ in the budget.
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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2019, 05:39:00 PM »
It is certainly troubling that the GOP House members couldn't find a way to elect a different Leader.

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Re: McCarthy says Dems gave into Trump on border wall
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2019, 05:44:10 PM »
Exactly what I've been saying for months.  Lots of departments have discretionary funds which he can use.  Hello, Mr. President, let's get this darn wall built!!!!!


It’s not as simple as everyone thinks or as Trump has tried to say. If it was, there never would have been a need for a legislative fight, the shutdown, and months of study over whether it was possible. One of the Republicans objecting is TX congressman Mac Thornberry, who is ranked among the most conservative in Congress.


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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/11/mick-mulvaney-border-wall-funds-1163996
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« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2019, 10:25:04 AM »
No.  Not taking out of budget but discretionary funds which are in addition to $$ in the budget.

If the DoD or DHS have been allotted "discretionary money"...don't touch it...it's needed for too many things with both departments right now.
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« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2019, 10:41:10 AM »
If the DoD or DHS have been allotted "discretionary money"...don't touch it...it's needed for too many things with both departments right now.


Mac Thornberry was one of the first to object when the use of military funds was suggested last March.

“My view is that the funding sources need to come from the appropriate place. If they’re doing law enforcement, border patrol work, that’s who needs to pay,” Thornberry said.

“We cannot view the military as a cash cow to meet any national need that comes up because we have real military needs,” he said.


https://www.timesrecordnews.com/story/news/local/2018/04/03/thornberry-military-budget-border-wall/483649002/
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« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2019, 10:45:44 AM »

Mac Thornberry was one of the first to object when the use of military funds was suggested last March.

“My view is that the funding sources need to come from the appropriate place. If they’re doing law enforcement, border patrol work, that’s who needs to pay,” Thornberry said.

“We cannot view the military as a cash cow to meet any national need that comes up because we have real military needs,” he said.


https://www.timesrecordnews.com/story/news/local/2018/04/03/thornberry-military-budget-border-wall/483649002/

Mac Thornberry is completely wrong on this! The entire purpose of the U.S. Military is to protect the country's citizens from foreign threats!

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« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2019, 11:44:14 AM »
Mac Thornberry is completely wrong on this! The entire purpose of the U.S. Military is to protect the country's citizens from foreign threats!


Except the border is under law enforcement authority, as we’ve seen with previous national guard and active duty deployments. The only way that changes is with a declaration of war or martial law.
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« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2019, 11:46:26 AM »

Except the border is under law enforcement authority, as we’ve seen with previous national guard and active duty deployments. The only way that changes is with a declaration of war or martial law.

And that has absolutely nothing to do with putting necessary barriers in place on the border.

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« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2019, 11:48:55 AM »

Mac Thornberry was one of the first to object when the use of military funds was suggested last March.

“My view is that the funding sources need to come from the appropriate place. If they’re doing law enforcement, border patrol work, that’s who needs to pay,” Thornberry said.

“We cannot view the military as a cash cow to meet any national need that comes up because we have real military needs,” he said.


https://www.timesrecordnews.com/story/news/local/2018/04/03/thornberry-military-budget-border-wall/483649002/

He's exactly right!

Look at what happened to our readiness and ability to deploy while Obama was raiding the DoD budget to fund welfare and Obamacare.

We'r just now in the early stages of recovering from that...we don't need Republicans using us in the same manner the Dems did.
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