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« Reply #675 on: July 29, 2019, 08:04:31 PM »
Both are happening now. They were forecasting the Singularity for about the year 2050. Some are saying much earlier.

A couple of those earlier articles I posted. If they can keep the hardware up to the software they will hit it earlier than the Futurists and other experts in the field have predicted.

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« Reply #676 on: July 29, 2019, 08:06:43 PM »
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« Reply #677 on: July 29, 2019, 08:07:47 PM »
I think the problems will arise long before any genes are messed with.  AI threatens to create dependencies, like my cell phone has.  It remembers every number that's called me.  I used to memorize or write down phone numbers, now sometimes I can't remember my own.  I had the cell for better than 20 years before I memorized its number...mainly because I never gave it out to anybody.

That's right - I used to easy carry 200 numbers in my head... Now I can't even remember my own cell number - same as you. I don't do math in my head anymore - too easy to let Giggles do it.

Especially since I went SmartPhone, sometime last year. It is really a little frightening how quickly little Miss Googlepants took over my secretarial duties. Heck, for a while there, I had my Near-missus tellin Miss Googlepants how my calendar needed added to - Just like a real secretary, she handles it all.
Miss Googlepants... I call her Giggles... Say 'Hey Giggles" it works.

Just last night I asked Giggles to remind me to lock the dang gate. When the HECK have I ever needed a reminder to lock a gate? I am a cowboy... Gates are EVERYTHING, dang it.

And what's really a bother: When lil' Giggles reminded me... I THANKED her. and what's even worse than that... I intrinsically just called IT 'her'  **nononono*

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I still get calls on it asking me if I want to extend my auto's warranty.  :shrug:  When I'm sporting, I ask them if they can extend my car's 10-year warranty on my HEV battery for the hybrid drive.  {click!}

Hehe... yeah... I tell em sure... and then tell em it's a 78 chevy 1/2 T 4x.... [click]

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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #678 on: July 29, 2019, 08:11:39 PM »
That is probably right.

Unfortunately. At least for people like me. I refuse to be either one.

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« Reply #679 on: July 29, 2019, 08:14:01 PM »
I think the problems will arise long before any genes are messed with.  AI threatens to create dependencies, like my cell phone has.  It remembers every number that's called me.  I used to memorize or write down phone numbers, now sometimes I can't remember my own.  I had the cell for better than 20 years before I memorized its number...mainly because I never gave it out to anybody.

I still get calls on it asking me if I want to extend my auto's warranty.  :shrug:  When I'm sporting, I ask them if they can extend my car's 10-year warranty on my HEV battery for the hybrid drive.  {click!}

Do the first six numbers (incl area code) on the caller id match the first six of your cell? 

That's the range I'm seeing now.
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« Reply #680 on: July 29, 2019, 08:16:38 PM »
Larry Niven’s Droud users, or wireheads.  People with an implant that electrically stimulates the brains pleasure centers.

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« Reply #681 on: July 29, 2019, 08:16:48 PM »
Unfortunately. At least for people like me. I refuse to be either one.

Me too - though I have elected a different path... I suppress my luddite tendencies to embrace the devil.
It is going to be so pervasive that I am going to need to be able to understand it. To hack it.

Ghost in the machine... Luddite IRL.  :seeya:

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« Reply #682 on: July 29, 2019, 08:16:56 PM »
I have a notecard in my lunchbox with my home phone number on it. But hey, I got enough account numbers right to deposit my paycheck today.

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« Reply #683 on: July 29, 2019, 08:22:11 PM »
Do the first six numbers (incl area code) on the caller id match the first six of your cell? 

That's the range I'm seeing now.

Yes! Repeatedly.  And, the people at that number have no idea that their number was spoofed.

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« Reply #684 on: July 29, 2019, 08:22:12 PM »
Larry Niven’s Droud users, or wireheads.  People with an implant that electrically stimulates the brains pleasure centers.

Imagine that, writ large, with hackers figuring out how to mess with it over the net...

Or worse than that, business and government entities tickling your fancy... But only when you do what they want... Holy crap, that's crazy.

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« Reply #685 on: July 29, 2019, 08:23:14 PM »
Me too - though I have elected a different path... I suppress my luddite tendencies to embrace the devil.
It is going to be so pervasive that I am going to need to be able to understand it. To hack it.

Ghost in the machine... Luddite IRL.  :seeya:

I suppress mine. I understand it enough to reject it. And when the time comes I'll switch from hammer to hack it. To death.

In a way, a self-driving car would be a great gift compared to the number of people who have a driver's license but shouldn't.

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« Reply #686 on: July 29, 2019, 08:27:14 PM »
Imagine that, writ large, with hackers figuring out how to mess with it over the net...

Or worse than that, business and government entities tickling your fancy... But only when you do what they want... Holy crap, that's crazy.


The good cyber dystopian literature has plenty of examples.  I’ll try to remember some of the authors when I get home. 

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« Reply #687 on: July 29, 2019, 08:37:55 PM »
I suppress mine. I understand it enough to reject it. And when the time comes I'll switch from hammer to hack it. To death..

I am almost ready. When the time comes, I will just walk off.
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« Reply #688 on: July 29, 2019, 08:55:12 PM »
Imagine that, writ large, with hackers figuring out how to mess with it over the net...

Or worse than that, business and government entities tickling your fancy... But only when you do what they want... Holy crap, that's crazy.

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« Reply #689 on: July 29, 2019, 08:56:19 PM »
That's right - I used to easy carry 200 numbers in my head... Now I can't even remember my own cell number - same as you. I don't do math in my head anymore - too easy to let Giggles do it.

Especially since I went SmartPhone, sometime last year. It is really a little frightening how quickly little Miss Googlepants took over my secretarial duties. Heck, for a while there, I had my Near-missus tellin Miss Googlepants how my calendar needed added to - Just like a real secretary, she handles it all.
Miss Googlepants... I call her Giggles... Say 'Hey Giggles" it works.

Just last night I asked Giggles to remind me to lock the dang gate. When the HECK have I ever needed a reminder to lock a gate? I am a cowboy... Gates are EVERYTHING, dang it.

And what's really a bother: When lil' Giggles reminded me... I THANKED her. and what's even worse than that... I intrinsically just called IT 'her'  **nononono*

Hehe... yeah... I tell em sure... and then tell em it's a 78 chevy 1/2 T 4x.... [click]

LOL.  You have a 47 year old truck, I have a 300V battery that drives 'em nutz,  It's the size of where a small sub-trunk would go.
We need to re-coin the expression, "Press Bias" to "Media Bigotry."
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #690 on: July 29, 2019, 09:01:26 PM »
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The term ‘cybernetics’ may mean many different things to different people. While the idea has been around its formal definition and application has shifted slightly in recent decades.

Back in 1948, Norbert Wiener defined cybernetics as "the scientific study of control and communication in the animal and the machine.” More recently cybernetics can conjure up images and ideas about the way humans and machines interact and control each other.

What does this complicated word mean to you?

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« Reply #691 on: July 29, 2019, 09:02:00 PM »
LOL.  You have a 47 year old truck, I have a 300V battery that drives 'em nutz,  It's the size of where a small sub-trunk would go.

Yeah I know.. Folks up here get them batteries out of electric cars and hybrids for storage on off-grid solar systems. I have seen a few.

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« Reply #692 on: July 29, 2019, 09:06:34 PM »
More recently cybernetics can conjure up images and ideas about the way humans and machines interact and control each other.

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« Reply #694 on: July 29, 2019, 09:19:34 PM »
Is artificial consciousness the solution to AI?

https://lifeboat.com/blog/2019/06/is-artificial-consciousness-the-solution-to-ai

by Peter Cawdron  Jun 24, 2019

The problem is we’ve developed artificial stupidity. Our best AI lacks actual intelligence. The most complex machine learning algorithm we’ve developed has no conscious awareness of what it’s doing.

Dumb AI is a serious problem with serious consequences for humanity.

Ok. Maybe self-driving cars will only take you to the scene of your accident...



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« Reply #695 on: July 29, 2019, 10:12:19 PM »
I think the problems will arise long before any genes are messed with.  AI threatens to create dependencies, like my cell phone has. 


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« Reply #696 on: July 29, 2019, 10:16:56 PM »
Imagine that, writ large, with hackers figuring out how to mess with it over the net...

Or worse than that, business and government entities tickling your fancy... But only when you do what they want... Holy crap, that's crazy.


Hard Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World.  Not necessarily a mind-hack, but an interesting idea nonetheless. 

Then there are the cyber dystopias of William Gibson. 

It’s been years since I read any of them; now I’m dying to pick one up again.

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« Reply #697 on: July 29, 2019, 10:31:02 PM »
Hard Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World.  Not necessarily a mind-hack, but an interesting idea nonetheless. 

Then there are the cyber dystopias of William Gibson. 

It’s been years since I read any of them; now I’m dying to pick one up again.

Thanks, I will pick em up next time I am at the bookstore...
Not really my bag - I tend toward the classics, and ancient texts... But I am not against something a little more contemporary.

Closest I have come to that sort of thing is Asimov, in any quantity.


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« Reply #698 on: July 29, 2019, 10:46:02 PM »
Hard Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World.  Not necessarily a mind-hack, but an interesting idea nonetheless. 

Then there are the cyber dystopias of William Gibson. 

It’s been years since I read any of them; now I’m dying to pick one up again.

I D/L'ed the kindle of Wonderland...
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« Reply #699 on: July 30, 2019, 05:19:24 AM »
That's right - I used to easy carry 200 numbers in my head... Now I can't even remember my own cell number - same as you. I don't do math in my head anymore - too easy to let Giggles do it.

Especially since I went SmartPhone, sometime last year. It is really a little frightening how quickly little Miss Googlepants took over my secretarial duties. Heck, for a while there, I had my Near-missus tellin Miss Googlepants how my calendar needed added to - Just like a real secretary, she handles it all.
Miss Googlepants... I call her Giggles... Say 'Hey Giggles" it works.

Just last night I asked Giggles to remind me to lock the dang gate. When the HECK have I ever needed a reminder to lock a gate? I am a cowboy... Gates are EVERYTHING, dang it.

And what's really a bother: When lil' Giggles reminded me... I THANKED her. and what's even worse than that... I intrinsically just called IT 'her'  **nononono*

Hehe... yeah... I tell em sure... and then tell em it's a 78 chevy 1/2 T 4x.... [click]
I just hit the button to have them not call back. The ones here are all robocalls, and I refuse to do business with someone who won't even call me voice to voice. Besides, all my vehicles are old enough to vote, and one could have voted for or against FDR.
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