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« Reply #725 on: August 03, 2019, 10:16:04 AM »
Still doesn't explain why coloring the machine so as to make fluid leaks or scorch marks more evident is "racist", when other colors would make impending problems and possibly fatal malfunctions more difficult to detect in a timely fashion.

Come on, Joe, EVERYTHING IS RACIST now.  Anything and everything.
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« Reply #726 on: August 03, 2019, 04:51:14 PM »
Come on, Joe, EVERYTHING IS RACIST now.  Anything and everything.
What? Only birds have white poop? Maybe birds aren't racist. :shrug:
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« Reply #727 on: August 07, 2019, 07:46:36 PM »
Don’t believe your eyes: Exploring the positives and negatives of deepfakes

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi2mdOM-PHjAhVRop4KHZphCIIQFjAAegQIAxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fartificialintelligence-news.com%2F2019%2F08%2F05%2Fdont-believe-your-eyes-exploring-the-positives-and-negatives-of-deepfakes%2F&usg=AOvVaw1oauSdBh-C0a4uJ4EjIeTt


By Jedidiah Francis
Posted on August 5, 2019



In 2018 the Reddit community r/deepfakes gained international attention thanks to a piece of investigative journalism by Samantha Cole, deputy editor at VICE.

Members of the forum had been using a burgeoning technology to superimpose celebrities’ faces onto pornographic videos. For the general public – and no doubt the unwitting stars – it was a shock. Most were unaware this technology existed. Very few believed it was possible to produce such realistic footage.

The videos had been created by a Generative Adversarial Network (GAN), a machine learning model that uses algorithms to mimic the distribution of data. In this case, that meant superimposing one human face onto another, complete with realistic movement.

Before long the term ‘deepfake’ became part of the common lexicon, both in porn circles and beyond, and its unceremonious introduction to the world set the tone for its negative connotations.

But are the origins and misuses of deepfakery causing us to take an unnecessarily dim view of a potentially useful technology?
Deep trouble

Fast forward to 2019 and the quality of deepfakes is improving at an exponential rate. Their potential for producing revenge porn, malicious hoaxes, fraud, misinformation, and blackmail is often the focus of news articles and think pieces – and not without reason.

Recently, deepfake videos of notable figures like Mark Zuckerberg, US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and former President Barack Obama have all made the news. And it’s becoming increasingly difficult to tell them apart from the real thing.

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« Reply #728 on: August 07, 2019, 07:50:13 PM »
DEEPFAKES Accountability Act would impose unenforceable rules — but it’s a start

https://techcrunch.com/2019/06/13/deepfakes-accountability-act-would-impose-unenforceable-rules-but-its-a-start/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer_us=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_cs=vF4fN_c3aK9Z7TsfKdrwmA

Devin Coldewey@techcrunch / 2 months ago

The new DEEPFAKES Accountability Act in the House — and yes, that’s an acronym — would take steps to criminalize the synthetic media referred to in its name, but its provisions seem too optimistic in the face of the reality of this threat. On the other hand, it also proposes some changes that will help bring the law up to date with the tech.

The bill, proposed by Representative Yvette Clarke (D-NY), it must be said, has the most ridiculous name I’ve encountered: the Defending Each and Every Person from False Appearances by Keeping Exploitation Subject to Accountability Act. Amazingly, that acronym (backronym, really) actually makes sense.

It’s intended to stem the potential damage of synthetic media purporting to be authentic, which is rare enough now but soon may be commonplace. With just a few minutes (or even a single frame) of video and voice, a fake version of a person, perhaps a public figure or celebrity, can be created that is convincing enough to fool anyone not looking too closely. And the quality is only getting better.

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« Reply #729 on: August 07, 2019, 09:05:58 PM »
Scientists can now manipulate brain cells using smartphone

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Source: University of Washington Health Sciences/UW Medicine

Summary: A team of scientists have invented a device that can control neural circuits using a tiny brain implant controlled by a smartphone. The device could speed up efforts to uncover brain diseases such as Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, addiction, depression, and pain.


A team of scientists in Korea and the United States have invented a device that can control neural circuits using a tiny brain implant controlled by a smartphone.

Researchers, publishing in Nature Biomedical Engineering, believe the device can speed up efforts to uncover brain diseases such as Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, addiction, depression, and pain.

The device, using Lego-like replaceable drug cartridges and powerful bluetooth low-energy, can target specific neurons of interest using drug and light for prolonged periods.

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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #730 on: August 09, 2019, 07:23:04 AM »
Terrifying? What can I say? It is Youtube...

25 Terrifying Robots Currently In Development - List25

Video link:  http://youtu.be/4HN0xRCxdhI

Article:  https://list25.com/25-terrifying-robots-currently-in-development/

mazing advancements in technology in recent years have led to some terrifying robots currently in development. With those advancements come new opportunities that we have never before thought possible. Robots today are capable of going to the furthest reaches of the planet, communicate like humans, and even learn, but as anyone who has watched any of the “Terminator” movies can tell you, this could be just as scary a prospect as it is exciting.

Nowadays, we have robots that can outrun us, outsmart us, and even some that can kill us if they tried. As AI improves each year, it may not be long before they think for themselves. With all that said, here are 25 of the most terrifying robots currently in development. Make sure to remember their names, because some of the machines might just take over the world some day.

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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #731 on: August 10, 2019, 04:34:58 PM »
Most People Would Rather a Robot Steal Their Job Than a Person

https://futurism.com/the-byte/automation-robot-steal-job-than-person

Next-Level Petty

Countless studies have all reached the same conclusion: robots are poised to steal jobs from a lot of humans.

But according to yet another automation-focused study, this one by researchers at Technical University of Munich, most people would prefer that scenario to the alternative: losing their job to another human.

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« Reply #732 on: August 11, 2019, 11:05:46 AM »
A New Type of AI Has Been Created Inspired by the Human Brain

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The new development follows a continued trend of neurobiology and machine learning converging.

By carrying out advanced experiments on neuronal cultures and large scale simulations, a group of scientists from Bar-Ilan University in Israel claims to have created a new type of ultra-fast artificial intelligence algorithm.

This algorithm is based on the dynamics of the human brain, which, despite computing at a much slower rate than modern computers, is extremely fast and efficient.

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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #733 on: August 11, 2019, 11:32:13 AM »
What? Only birds have white poop? Maybe birds aren't racist. :shrug:

How can robots land like birds? -- ScienceDaily

Date:
    August 6, 2019
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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/08/190806131451.htm

Birds can perch on a wide variety of surfaces, thick or thin, rough or slick. But can they find stable footing if a branch is covered in Teflon? In the interest of making better robots, researchers found out.

Their measurements also showed that the birds are capable of repositioning their claws from one graspable bump or pit to another in a mere 1 to 2 milliseconds. (For comparison, it takes a human about 100 to 400 milliseconds to blink.)

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« Reply #734 on: August 11, 2019, 11:33:07 AM »
"Get a grip, you birdbrain" takes on a whole new meaning.

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« Reply #735 on: August 11, 2019, 07:40:08 PM »
Unleashed, Robo-Insect Takes Flight

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/26/science/robot-insect-flight-engineering.html

 Tiny wings and tinier solar cells allow autonomous movement in a new robotic “bee.” For years now, scientists have sought to build aerial robots inspired by bees and other flying insects.

Makes me wonder if Epstein was stung by a "bee"?

And didn't have an EpiPen.

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« Reply #736 on: August 11, 2019, 09:19:00 PM »
Unleashed, Robo-Insect Takes Flight

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/26/science/robot-insect-flight-engineering.html

 Tiny wings and tinier solar cells allow autonomous movement in a new robotic “bee.” For years now, scientists have sought to build aerial robots inspired by bees and other flying insects.

Makes me wonder if Epstein was stung by a "bee"?

And didn't have an EpiPen.

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I dunno nuttin bout no electronic bee,but now that you have mentioned it,I am sure that is one possibility.

And almost a near certainty that someone,somewhere,has already been stung and turned room temperature thanks to a "busy bee".
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot
« Reply #737 on: August 12, 2019, 08:27:37 AM »
@bigheadfred

I dunno nuttin bout no electronic bee,but now that you have mentioned it,I am sure that is one possibility.

And almost a near certainty that someone,somewhere,has already been stung and turned room temperature thanks to a "busy bee".

Several "busy bees". Now, rich ones.

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« Reply #738 on: August 16, 2019, 09:45:37 PM »
@Cyber Liberty  @mystery-ak  @Sanguine

Artificial Intelligence, Robotics, and any and all of the things going on with this tech.

I haven't posted anything new on this thread for a reason.

Is there enough interest to put it in a new category? Under the Sci/Tech area.

@rangerrebew posts a host of articles dealing in the subject from the military POV.

Either by chapters in a given time frame--3 to 6 months. Or any article stand alone. But in a cat that serves the subject.

I get that volume is a key factor here, as in articles posted. But so many go by with few views and no replies.

It has been talked about before. And the Admin is doing a great job adding subcategories.

Just asking.

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« Reply #739 on: August 16, 2019, 09:52:55 PM »
@Cyber Liberty  @mystery-ak  @Sanguine

Artificial Intelligence, Robotics, and any and all of the things going on with this tech.

I haven't posted anything new on this thread for a reason.

Is there enough interest to put it in a new category? Under the Sci/Tech area.

@rangerrebew posts a host of articles dealing in the subject from the military POV.

Either by chapters in a given time frame--3 to 6 months. Or any article stand alone. But in a cat that serves the subject.

I get that volume is a key factor here, as in articles posted. But so many go by with few views and no replies.

It has been talked about before. And the Admin is doing a great job adding subcategories.

Just asking.

@bigheadfred you don't want to put it under "computers"?
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« Reply #740 on: August 16, 2019, 09:56:41 PM »
@bigheadfred you don't want to put it under "computers"?

You a computer?

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« Reply #741 on: August 16, 2019, 09:57:20 PM »
@bigheadfred

It's already under Sci/Tech/Knowledge...Sanguine's idea is good...computers?
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« Reply #743 on: August 16, 2019, 10:06:14 PM »
@bigheadfred

It's already under Sci/Tech/Knowledge...Sanguine's idea is good...computers?

NO.

I am asking for a category that includes all the aspects of increased tech that includes all the aspects of enhanced capabilities, whether machine, or machine enhanced. Cybernetics, PROBES (heh heh heh) no not really. Adjuncts, chips, implants, medical, etc.

I'll even throw religion at you just to see if you can tell.

If you say "computers" all you get back is @Victoria33 (no disrespect) asking how to stop popups.

Just say no. I know WTF NO means.

 

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« Reply #744 on: August 16, 2019, 10:20:13 PM »
NO.

I am asking for a category that includes all the aspects of increased tech that includes all the aspects of enhanced capabilities, whether machine, or machine enhanced. Cybernetics, PROBES (heh heh heh) no not really. Adjuncts, chips, implants, medical, etc.

I'll even throw religion at you just to see if you can tell.

If you say "computers" all you get back is @Victoria33 (no disrespect) asking how to stop popups.

Just say no. I know WTF NO means.

OK, "Computers" it is!

Just Kidding, @bigheadfred!  And...how DO I get Washington Examiner articles up without two videos autoplaying, anyway?
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« Reply #745 on: August 16, 2019, 10:34:00 PM »
OK, "Computers" it is!

Just Kidding, @bigheadfred!  And...how DO I get Washington Examiner articles up without two videos autoplaying, anyway?

Stop buying their cookies.

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« Reply #746 on: August 17, 2019, 09:20:19 AM »
NO.

I am asking for a category that includes all the aspects of increased tech that includes all the aspects of enhanced capabilities, whether machine, or machine enhanced. Cybernetics, PROBES (heh heh heh) no not really. Adjuncts, chips, implants, medical, etc.

I'll even throw religion at you just to see if you can tell.

If you say "computers" all you get back is @Victoria33 (no disrespect) asking how to stop popups.

Just say no. I know WTF NO means.

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I still have chemo-brain,so bear with me on this,but how about creating a sub-folder in science and computers for "Nanotechnology" (Nano-technology?)

Would that work?
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« Reply #747 on: August 17, 2019, 04:31:09 PM »
@bigheadfred

I still have chemo-brain,so bear with me on this,but how about creating a sub-folder in science and computers for "Nanotechnology" (Nano-technology?)

Would that work?

Yrs , but no

What I am looking for is a compendium. This (to me) isn't a subject that IN YOUR FACE===but only if you

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« Reply #748 on: August 17, 2019, 04:33:43 PM »
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« Reply #749 on: August 17, 2019, 06:52:58 PM »
Yrs , but no

What I am looking for is a compendium. This (to me) isn't a subject that IN YOUR FACE===but only if you
I was thinking you were looking at 'bionics' and AI.

Bionics have gone from the 'Six Million Dollar Man' to 'The Borg' in pop culture, but yes, there are people working on deeveloping everything from prosthetics run by nerve or neural impulse to complete human like robots with the ability to think for themselves.

This isn't the relative grunt work of the average computer or surfing the web, but a different field, affecting everyone from accident victims to wounded veterans to people who work in hazardous environments.
Then the question comes in of whether a fully functional and independent thinking robot would have 'rights', too.

So there is a pretty broad spectrum of issues that go beyond mere technology.

F'r instance. A firefighter/rescue humanoid robot is developed, with AI sufficient to assess dangers, hazards, find victims and transport them to safety. Two immediate scenarios come to mind.

Structural fire, fully involved, but units are sent in to fight the fire, and look for survivors (it is possible that there are people in the building, still alive, despite how it looks from the outside). One of the robots finds a victim, but out of (for want of a better word) fear of its own destruction does not recover the victim and retreats. Would it be branded a "Coward" and dismantled or reprogrammed?
Another rescue unit, seeking to rescue someone, is caught in the collapse of part of the structure and damaged to the point it is not repairable. A human would have a hero's funeral, a medal, a pension for the widow. What about the robot? To the scrapyard? How would other rescue robots feel about that? (they'd have to have some programmed empathy in order to be effective rescue units). Would they go on strike? Would it affect their efficacy, 'knowing' that if they were destroyed no one would care? Can that be programmed out? Or would a machine capable of learning from its experiences develop resentment?

Human intelligence (or what we decry as the lack thereof) is complex enough, with motivational factors which cover a full spectrum of emotions and logic. We aren't programming Little Miss Sunshine, here, but something which has to function in the real world without either taking a crowbar to all around it, or having all around it willing to do the same.

And that raises a lot of issues...

None of which fall under the nuts and bolts heading of just "computers".

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