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The return of ancient prejudices
« on: February 09, 2019, 12:47:03 PM »
The return of ancient prejudices

 
By Victor Davis Hanson

Published Feb. 7, 2019
 

In the latter half of the 19th century and early in the 20th century, as Catholic immigrants poured in from Ireland and eastern Europe, an anti-Catholic wave spread over a mostly Protestant United States. The majority slur then was that Catholic newcomers' first loyalty would be to "Rome," not the U.S.

Anti-Semitism grew even more deeply rooted, marked by Ivy League quotas on Jewish applicants and exclusionary clauses against Jews in clubs and neighborhoods. It was no accident that the Ku Klux Klan often targeted Catholics and Jews as well as African-Americans.

In the late 19th century, with the influx of Japanese and Chinese immigrants arose the "yellow peril" scare, a racist distrust of supposedly workaholic automatons and unassimilable immigrants whose first loyalty was to their close-knit Asian communities and homelands, not the U.S.

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Re: The return of ancient prejudices
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2019, 03:54:37 PM »
Good article, and worth reading.
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Re: The return of ancient prejudices
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2019, 08:54:26 AM »
And today, in their never ending drive to divide and conquer, the Rats have become more open in their scapegoating of Jews and Catholics, because their usual Identity Groups aren't All falling for it anymore.
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Re: The return of ancient prejudices
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2019, 10:00:32 AM »
And today, in their never ending drive to divide and conquer, the Rats have become more open in their scapegoating of Jews and Catholics, because their usual Identity Groups aren't All falling for it anymore.

Not just Jews and Catholics - all non-persons-of-color and men in particular.
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Re: The return of ancient prejudices
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2019, 11:44:57 AM »
And today, in their never ending drive to divide and conquer, the Rats have become more open in their scapegoating of Jews and Catholics, because their usual Identity Groups aren't All falling for it anymore.
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Re: The return of ancient prejudices
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2019, 02:17:19 PM »
Prejudice is defined as a pre-judgement from intuition/instinct rather than experience.
So is it always wrong?????

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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2019, 02:18:48 PM »
Prejudice is defined as a pre-judgement from intuition/instinct rather than experience.
So is it always wrong?????

Did you read the article @Absalom?
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Re: The return of ancient prejudices
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2019, 05:01:07 PM »
Quote from: the article
What once helped to diminish ancient prejudices was the American creed that no one had a right to discriminate against fellow citizens on the basis of race, gender, class or religion.

No, what helped to diminish ancient prejudices was an ethic based in individual merit.

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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2019, 05:14:13 PM »
No, what helped to diminish ancient prejudices was an ethic based in individual merit.
You mean things like "All men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..." and being "...judged by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin." ?

That kind of stuff?

Underneath that is a very heavy Christian ethos, for all are equal in His eyes.
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2019, 05:24:41 PM »
You mean things like "All men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..." and being "...judged by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin." ?

That kind of stuff?

Underneath that is a very heavy Christian ethos, for all are equal in His eyes.

That's right. But that is not a basis for accepting sin, or sinful ways into a society. Therein lies the Christian ethos. There are things that destroy society, and the Father has enumerated them explicitly.

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Re: The return of ancient prejudices
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2019, 05:45:48 PM »
Good article, and worth reading.

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Re: The return of ancient prejudices
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2019, 06:08:46 PM »
It's not a return.  Democrats have always been this way.
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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2019, 06:21:26 PM »
That's right. But that is not a basis for accepting sin, or sinful ways into a society. Therein lies the Christian ethos. There are things that destroy society, and the Father has enumerated them explicitly.
Yes. Even for those so inclined to call the spiritual aspects of the Bible "superstition", if they are honest with themselves the rules laid down are excellent guidelines for staying healthy, getting along with those around you, keeping a marriage together, and living an uncluttered and happy life.

They are too hung up on rebelling against the idea that they "shalt not" do something, something that has the seductive allure of forbidden fruit, that they refuse to see that going against that admonition is unadvisable.

 If nothing else, if they'd just look at it as an 'operators' manual' for humans, (what creator doesn't provide one?) they'd live a simpler and happier life, in a simpler and happier society.
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And I looked, and rose up, and said unto the nobles, and to the rulers, and to the rest of the people, Be not ye afraid of them: remember the Lord, which is great and terrible, and fight for your brethren, your sons, and your daughters, your wives, and your houses. Nehemiah 4:14 (KJV)

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Re: The return of ancient prejudices
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2019, 06:35:34 PM »
Yes. Even for those so inclined to call the spiritual aspects of the Bible "superstition", if they are honest with themselves the rules laid down are excellent guidelines for staying healthy, getting along with those around you, keeping a marriage together, and living an uncluttered and happy life.

They are too hung up on rebelling against the idea that they "shalt not" do something, something that has the seductive allure of forbidden fruit, that they refuse to see that going against that admonition is unadvisable.

 If nothing else, if they'd just look at it as an 'operators' manual' for humans, (what creator doesn't provide one?) they'd live a simpler and happier life, in a simpler and happier society.

That's right.

Funny, that bolded part... Part of why I am Messianic is because I found out 'Torah' does not quite mean 'commandments'... It is more akin to 'instructions'.

Like the Old Man of the house saying: "We don't do like that in this family... This is how we do... And if you go against it, you won't like it much."

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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2019, 11:32:57 PM »
That's right.

Funny, that bolded part... Part of why I am Messianic is because I found out 'Torah' does not quite mean 'commandments'... It is more akin to 'instructions'.

Like the Old Man of the house saying: "We don't do like that in this family... This is how we do... And if you go against it, you won't like it much."
Imagine what flowed into the creeks and estuaries, and recall shellfish are filter feeders. Catfish are bottom feeders, no wonder He didn't want folks eating them. No pork because it carries diseases humans can catch, not to mention parasites. etc. For a tribe there, in those days, this was medical advice!
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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2019, 11:48:17 PM »
Imagine what flowed into the creeks and estuaries, and recall shellfish are filter feeders. Catfish are bottom feeders, no wonder He didn't want folks eating them. No pork because it carries diseases humans can catch, not to mention parasites. etc. For a tribe there, in those days, this was medical advice!

It's still good advice...ounce of prevention and all that.
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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2019, 12:57:28 AM »
It's still good advice...ounce of prevention and all that.
After the US ACofE killed all the aquatic vegetation in the tidewater estuary I grew up on, fecal colliform (bacteria) counts went through the roof, causing oyster bars to be closed to harvest. I haven't eaten a raw oyster since I was a teenager--and won't.
I no longer eat my beef rare, either. And I avoid Chinese farmed/caught/canned anything when I can.
Pork, though, is thoroughly cooked.
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And I looked, and rose up, and said unto the nobles, and to the rulers, and to the rest of the people, Be not ye afraid of them: remember the Lord, which is great and terrible, and fight for your brethren, your sons, and your daughters, your wives, and your houses. Nehemiah 4:14 (KJV)

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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2019, 03:01:26 AM »
Imagine what flowed into the creeks and estuaries, and recall shellfish are filter feeders. Catfish are bottom feeders, no wonder He didn't want folks eating them. No pork because it carries diseases humans can catch, not to mention parasites. etc. For a tribe there, in those days, this was medical advice!

It surely is!
And there's more... When I started down this path I quit eating pork at home, but I would still be exposed to some, either by mistake, or while at someone's house as a guest... but I was off it long enough that now I flat cannot eat it. It turns my belly.

I wonder why that is.

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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2019, 03:05:10 AM »
It surely is!
And there's more... When I started down this path I quit eating pork at home, but I would still be exposed to some, either by mistake, or while at someone's house as a guest... but I was off it long enough that now I flat cannot eat it. It turns my belly.

I wonder why that is.
Dunno. I favor cured smoked meat, though, and can eat bacon and ham until the cows come home (and then load up on beef!). I'm not so much on just plain pork roasts, but will eat barbecue, and love sausage. Maybe I'm just a heathen at heart....well, more at gut level :shrug:
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And I looked, and rose up, and said unto the nobles, and to the rulers, and to the rest of the people, Be not ye afraid of them: remember the Lord, which is great and terrible, and fight for your brethren, your sons, and your daughters, your wives, and your houses. Nehemiah 4:14 (KJV)

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« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2019, 03:11:03 AM »
Dunno. I favor cured smoked meat, though, and can eat bacon and ham until the cows come home (and then load up on beef!). I'm not so much on just plain pork roasts, but will eat barbecue, and love sausage. Maybe I'm just a heathen at heart....well, more at gut level :shrug:

Me too, all the same, but w/o the pork.  :shrug:
Just can't have it anymore.

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« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2019, 03:24:06 AM »
Me too, all the same, but w/o the pork.  :shrug:
Just can't have it anymore.
If it doesn't agree with you, it isn't worth the pain...(More for me...) :shrug:
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And I looked, and rose up, and said unto the nobles, and to the rulers, and to the rest of the people, Be not ye afraid of them: remember the Lord, which is great and terrible, and fight for your brethren, your sons, and your daughters, your wives, and your houses. Nehemiah 4:14 (KJV)

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Re: The return of ancient prejudices
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2019, 09:42:53 AM »
It surely is!
And there's more... When I started down this path I quit eating pork at home, but I would still be exposed to some, either by mistake, or while at someone's house as a guest... but I was off it long enough that now I flat cannot eat it. It turns my belly.

I wonder why that is.

I grew up in a vegetarian home (l-o-n-g before that was a "thing").  I never did learn to eat pork.  Not to say I have never eaten pork, because I have thru inadvertence or because I did not want to hurt someone's feelings.  I like beef in certain forms and am comfortable with chicken, turkey and some fish.   Meat is a two-edged sword from a nutritional and health standpoint.
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Re: The return of ancient prejudices
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2019, 09:59:21 AM »
I grew up in a vegetarian home (l-o-n-g before that was a "thing").  I never did learn to eat pork.  Not to say I have never eaten pork, because I have thru inadvertence or because I did not want to hurt someone's feelings.  I like beef in certain forms and am comfortable with chicken, turkey and some fish.   Meat is a two-edged sword from a nutritional and health standpoint.

A little different from my point of view... I am a very big guy, and I cannot survive a vegetarian existence. I know, I have tried it
While I eat tons of garden fresh vegetables, needless to say, I love meat, and eat all sorts: venison, elk, beef, buffalo, sheep, goat, chicken, turkey, pheasant, quail, not to mention trout, perch, bass, pike, and salmon. Though I mainly subsist upon venison. The only kosher meat I don't like much is waterfowl, though I will eat it in a pinch.

But all of it is taken from the wild, or from local farms, range fed, and is of premium quality.

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« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2019, 02:40:46 PM »
Did you read the article @Absalom?
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Repeating.
Does experience ALWAYS trump instinct?????
Do we not make judgments w/o experience
now, that time proves to be correct later????
The descriptive prejudice, verboten because of political
correctness, is often Man's instinctive nature at work!!!!
 
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« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2019, 03:27:19 PM »
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Repeating.
Does experience ALWAYS trump instinct?????
Do we not make judgments w/o experience
now, that time proves to be correct later????
The descriptive prejudice, verboten because of political
correctness, is often Man's instinctive nature at work!!!!
 
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Ah, so that was a "no".
Cui bono?

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