Negotiators close to deal as shutdown deadline approaches

[corbe]

   Had Briefers not chewed up Blue Hammer and spit him out we would still have him around to play with.   /JS

[Sanguine]

You're pretty good at this arguing stuff.  Where is @LegalAmerican when I need her?

Cute, but don't try to change the subject. 

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Cute, but don't try to change the subject.

I'm out of ammo, so it's your turn again if you want.

[Cyber Liberty]

   Had Briefers not chewed up Blue Hammer and spit him out we would still have him around to play with.   /JS

He bit first, and Briefers are not going to stand for it.  I don't blame our community for his ban-hammer, that lies with him.  He set out to disrupt the Forum for no good purpose.  A rare thing. 

[Bigun]

Please note the "excluding federal costs" part!  That's important!

[libertybele]

Please note the "excluding federal costs" part!  That's important!

This is the kind of information that needs to be broadcast across the TV screen in America.  Keep bombarding the public with statistics, interview of border patrol, and other law enforcement.

The cesspool of the U.S.A. (CA) is spending $23 BILLION on illegal immigration yet the idiot governor wants to withdraw troops at the border.  Yeppers, the leftist mental midgets strike once again.

[Chosen Daughter]

So what?  What can you buy with US Dollars?  The answer is US goods.

Don't stop there.  Trump says they're rapists, gang members, drug dealers, and killers.  If you're gonna scapegoat 25 million people, go all in.

Your right, why stop there?  I am on a roll posting the facts of illegal immigration.  BTW Donald Trump is too! Today I didn't even have to go to a Republican News source to get it.  No, the Democratic idiots are letting us all know that murders in this country by illegals are just a number for them to use.

Why the Trump admin wants more detention space for migrants and Democrats want a limit

ICE is already holding more migrants than Congress authorized. It is authorized to hold 40,000, but there were 49,057 immigrants in detention as of Feb. 6.

Who are these immigrants in ICE detention?

President Donald Trump has repeatedly said ICE is holding dangerous criminals, including murderers. While ICE held immigrants in fiscal year 2018 who collectively were convicted on 54,630 charges, only 1,641 of the charges were homicide. The most frequent charges were for driving under the influence, followed by drug offenses, traffic offenses and immigration offenses (such as re-entering the country after a deportation order.)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/why-ice-wants-more-detention-space-migrants-democrats-want-cap-n970071

Get that!  They are murderers.  In a year the liberals say they only killed 1,641 US citizens.   Only!!!!!!  So trivial that they murdered people's loved ones isn't it?  And who cares if they are driving under the influence too.  If they hit someone no big deal.

ONLY, WOW I JUST CAN'T GET OVER THAT.  If it were any of their families do you suppose they would be offended that they were only 1 of 1,641?

[Chosen Daughter]

This is the kind of information that needs to be broadcast across the TV screen in America.  Keep bombarding the public with statistics, interview of border patrol, and other law enforcement.

The cesspool of the U.S.A. (CA) is spending $23 BILLION on illegal immigration yet the idiot governor wants to withdraw troops at the border.  Yeppers, the leftist mental midgets strike once again.

Wow, just wow!  Poor us. (literally)  West Coast and East Coast Communist loons.

[Chosen Daughter]

OK lets get this into perspective.  If you divide 1,641 by 50 it comes out to 32.82 murders by illegals per state.  However not all states are equal are they?  No, some people in states like California or Washington might have a better chance of getting killed by and illegal.  It a lottery!  Yeah!!!!!!!!  No really you have a much, much, much better chance of getting murdered by an illegal than winning the lottery.

OK, more perspective.  Illegal immigrants made up about 3.3-3.7% of total US population in 2016.  Oh boy!  Those are huge crime rates for that percentage.

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illegal-immigration-statistics/

[Cyber Liberty]

OK lets get this into perspective.  If you divide 1,641 by 50 it comes out to 32.82 murders by illegals per state.  However not all states are equal are they?  No, some people in states like California or Washington might have a better chance of getting killed by and illegal.  It a lottery!  Yeah!!!!!!!!  No really you have a much, much, much better chance of getting murdered by an illegal than winning the lottery.

OK, more perspective.  Illegal immigrants made up about 3.3-3.7% of total US population in 2016.  Oh boy!  Those are huge crime rates for that percentage.

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illegal-immigration-statistics/

I guess, then, the BIL I never got to meet won a lottery, of sorts.   

[Chosen Daughter]

I guess, then, the BIL I never got to meet won a lottery, of sorts.   

Yes.  Imagine all those people running out to spend their money on the lottery and they have a better chance that day to be murdered by an illegal immigrant.  Oh and isn't it a good thing for illegal immigrants that they are going to have to say they are illegal on the census?  Maybe the stats won't look as bad?

[Formerly Once-Ler]

ONLY, WOW I JUST CAN'T GET OVER THAT.  If it were any of their families do you suppose they would be offended that they were only 1 of 1,641?

I want murderers detained.  ICE has plenty of beds for them.  I want the other 47,000 with parking tickets released.

[Chosen Daughter]

I want murderers detained.  ICE has plenty of beds for them.  I want the other 47,000 with parking tickets released.

You didn't watch the video of Trump at the border today with law enforcement did you?  He had a much larger list than I.  Still you didn't address the fact that Trump is right that murderers, rapists, human traffickers, assault, armed robbery..........

[Formerly Once-Ler]

You didn't watch the video of Trump at the border today with law enforcement did you?  He had a much larger list than I.  Still you didn't address the fact that Trump is right that murderers, rapists, human traffickers, assault, armed robbery..........

And you're still wrong that those labels work on all 25 million illegals.  I'm done listening to Trump, but it wouldn't matter if I did hear his "best words."  He's lied to me too often.

[Chosen Daughter]

And you're still wrong that those labels work on all 25 million illegals.  I'm done listening to Trump, but it wouldn't matter if I did hear his "best words."  He's lied to me too often.

I never took it that way that he meant all 25 million illegals.  Nobody thinks they are all Felony Criminals.  But they all do break the law.

[RoosGirl]

I never took it that way that he meant all 25 million illegals.  Nobody thinks they are all Felony Criminals.  But they all do break the law.

Yep, otherwise @Once-Ler wouldn't be calling them illegals.

And you're still wrong that those labels work on all 25 million illegals.  I'm done listening to Trump, but it wouldn't matter if I did hear his "best words."  He's lied to me too often.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I never took it that way that he meant all 25 million illegals.  Nobody thinks they are all Felony Criminals.  But they all do break the law.

I speed, often don't bother to wear a seat belt, and possess copy-written music...might as well group me in with murderers and pedophiles with the phrase "and some I suppose are fine people."

[Cyber Liberty]

I speed, often don't bother to wear a seat belt, and possess copy-written music...might as well group me in with murderers and pedophiles with the phrase "and some I suppose are fine people."

I think breaking a country's immigration laws is more serious an offense than speeding and not wearing a seat belt.  Now, the Copyright thing...still not as serious as border jumping

(I wrote test code for a R&D lab for years, and I take Copyrights and licensing fees very seriously.  I got paid for my work and others deserve the same.)

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I think breaking a country's immigration laws is more serious an offense than speeding and not wearing a seat belt.

I don't agree.  As evidence I would point to 25 million illegals living here today and President Trump's demagoguery about them being rapists and murderers.

[Cyber Liberty]

I don't agree.  As evidence I would point to 25 million illegals living here today and President Trump's demagoguery about them being rapists and murderers.

The only people I see taking the President's stump speeches literally are people who mock him for it, and would blame him for a sunny day.  "Only the BEST sunny days!"

Meh.   

[RoosGirl]

I don't agree.  As evidence I would point to 25 million illegals living here today and President Trump's demagoguery about them being rapists and murderers.

So 25 million people get a pass because big meanie suggested some of them do worse things than cross the border illegally? 

[Formerly Once-Ler]

So 25 million people get a pass because big meanie suggested some of them do worse things than cross the border illegally?

They get a pass because nobody is actually enforcing immigration laws.  When the cops pull over one speeder everybody else slows down on the freeway.  When one guy flys through the fast lane 20 MPH above the speed limit a bunch of people pick him as their pace car.

You want to lock up the murderers, lock up the murders.  You want to solve illegal immigration lock up 25 million.

I prefer we lock up the murderers and find some way to make the 25 million illegals identify themselves, and justify their continued occupation.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

The only people I see taking the President's stump speeches literally are people who mock him for it, and would blame him for a sunny day.  "Only the BEST sunny days!"

Meh.   

Today? sure.  But the first 2 years of campaigning nobody knew how little his word meant or the poor quality of his work ethics.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I'm starting to think President Fox News/AM Radio will not be happy with this deal.  Can't wait to binge watch it tomorrow.

[Chosen Daughter]

I speed, often don't bother to wear a seat belt, and possess copy-written music...might as well group me in with murderers and pedophiles with the phrase "and some I suppose are fine people."

Oh, I agree that many of them are fine people.   But the fact remains that they still come here to work and collect benefits provided by us.  It is wide spread abuse.  The fine people also have enough money to send home, but they don't have enough to feed their families or provide health care.  Its American citizens that make the same amount as many of them that provide that.  So that isn't so fine and a burden on citizens who have to provide for their own families.