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Re: Negotiators close to deal as shutdown deadline approaches
« Reply #100 on: February 12, 2019, 09:47:08 AM »
Oh, I agree that many of them are fine people.   But the fact remains that they still come here to work and collect benefits provided by us.  It is wide spread abuse.  The fine people also have enough money to send home, but they don't have enough to feed their families or provide health care.  Its American citizens that make the same amount as many of them that provide that.  So that isn't so fine and a burden on citizens who have to provide for their own families.

No.  "Fine people" do everything they can to become legal and respect the laws of the country that they are living in and benefiting from.

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Re: Negotiators close to deal as shutdown deadline approaches
« Reply #101 on: February 12, 2019, 10:00:07 AM »
No.  "Fine people" do everything they can to become legal and respect the laws of the country that they are living in and benefiting from.

You are right.  Fine people also provide for their own families and don't look for ways to scam others into raising their families.  Fine people are the ones  who wait in line to come here legally and aren't looking for a free ride.
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Re: Negotiators close to deal as shutdown deadline approaches
« Reply #102 on: February 12, 2019, 08:00:22 PM »
No.  "Fine people" do everything they can to become legal and respect the laws of the country that they are living in and benefiting from.

If the law makes it impossible to enter the country legally, then you can only enter illegally.


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Re: Negotiators close to deal as shutdown deadline approaches
« Reply #103 on: February 12, 2019, 08:06:04 PM »
If the law makes it impossible to enter the country legally, then you can only enter illegally.


No, you don't enter. 

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Re: Negotiators close to deal as shutdown deadline approaches
« Reply #104 on: February 12, 2019, 08:12:50 PM »
If the law makes it impossible to enter the country legally, then you can only enter illegally.


Immigration is for the benefit of the country not the person.  Asylum is for people who are truly in physical danger not because they want to make more money and send extra to the homeland for a nest egg.  I don't even think that gang violence is a reason anymore because we have the same things here.  Many people wait in that long line.  You seem to think that everyone should be able to come without waiting.  Immigration should be for the benefit of the country as well as the immigrant.  What do they have to offer our country?  We have enough low wage workers.  They can apply for H2-b or H1-b.  There are caps for a reason although government has screwed that program up also.  It has been a way for companies to acquire workers at a lower wage.

We don't need any more low wage earners that suck up welfare.
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Re: Negotiators close to deal as shutdown deadline approaches
« Reply #105 on: February 12, 2019, 08:23:02 PM »
If the law makes it impossible to enter the country legally, then you can only enter illegally.


You are either an anchor baby or an illegal alien.

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Re: Negotiators close to deal as shutdown deadline approaches
« Reply #106 on: February 12, 2019, 08:24:16 PM »
We don't need any more low wage earners that suck up welfare.

Great!  Come over and clean my toilets then.
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Re: Negotiators close to deal as shutdown deadline approaches
« Reply #107 on: February 12, 2019, 08:27:53 PM »
If the law makes it impossible to enter the country legally, then you can only enter illegally.


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And yet about 500,000 enter the US legally every year.  Amazing.

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« Reply #108 on: February 12, 2019, 08:34:03 PM »
Great!  Come over and clean my toilets then.

Because that's what we want illegal aliens for?  To clean your toilet?  How....enlightened of you.

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Re: Negotiators close to deal as shutdown deadline approaches
« Reply #109 on: February 12, 2019, 08:39:56 PM »
Great!  Come over and clean my toilets then.

Clean your own damn toilet. You want to pay a low price for someone to scrub your toilet.  I know a women who has a cleaning businesses.  It might be more than $20.00 an hour but your toilet will be very clean.  The good thing?  The American business is not going to get welfare because they under charged you for your dirty toilet. 
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Re: Negotiators close to deal as shutdown deadline approaches
« Reply #110 on: February 12, 2019, 08:46:36 PM »
Because that's what we want illegal aliens for?  To clean your toilet?  How....enlightened of you.
Yes.  Did you get confused by my response to "We don't need any more low wage earners." Strangely the legal immigrant degreed professional with a job offer wants too much money for the job.  Being enlightened I know this. 
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Re: Negotiators close to deal as shutdown deadline approaches
« Reply #111 on: February 12, 2019, 08:48:25 PM »
Clean your own damn toilet. You want to pay a low price for someone to scrub your toilet.  I know a women who has a cleaning businesses.  It might be more than $20.00 an hour but your toilet will be very clean. 

She employs illegals
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Re: Negotiators close to deal as shutdown deadline approaches
« Reply #112 on: February 12, 2019, 08:52:09 PM »
Yes.  Did you get confused by my response to "We don't need any more low wage earners." Strangely the legal immigrant degreed professional with a job offer wants too much money for the job.  Being enlightened I know this.

What a remarkably leftist point of view. 

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« Reply #113 on: February 12, 2019, 08:53:48 PM »
What a remarkably leftist point of view.
It's not a POV .  It's how the world works.
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Re: Negotiators close to deal as shutdown deadline approaches
« Reply #114 on: February 12, 2019, 08:55:22 PM »
It's not a POV .  It's how the world works.

Maybe in your little bubble.  You really ought to get out some.

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Re: Negotiators close to deal as shutdown deadline approaches
« Reply #115 on: February 12, 2019, 09:27:54 PM »
Maybe in your little bubble.  You really ought to get out some.
That is not a counter argument.  I'll assume you give up.
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Re: Negotiators close to deal as shutdown deadline approaches
« Reply #116 on: February 12, 2019, 09:37:25 PM »
Yes.  Did you get confused by my response to "We don't need any more low wage earners." Strangely the legal immigrant degreed professional with a job offer wants too much money for the job.  Being enlightened I know this.
If I recall what I have seen, you don't live where there are any number of illegals that could bet termed other than almost non existent, so I guess that is why you haven't a clue to what illegals demand to be payed tax free I might add. No, we don't need any more damn illegal immigrant low wage earners that have almost completely eliminated the stater jobs of our teenagers. We have illegals and illiterates that have taken almost all those jobs and then cry that they can't raise a family on minimum wage working a job at a skill level that was never meant to do more than train new entries into the job market while putting a little cash in their pockets. Me, speaking for myself only, am fed up with not being able to be understood or understand a freaking counter person at a fast food restaurant., and I ran fast food and food operations for twenty five years. I experienced personally the transition from housewives and teens to almost all Hispanic as our teens were told by almost everyone that fast food was trash work. I also worked construction for fifteen years and saw the Hispanic influence take hold. My SIL is a foreman for a large contractor putting up those large multi use high rises in Los Angeles so I hear about what is still going on.

So to put it bluntly, I don't believe you have any idea what your pushing.

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Re: Negotiators close to deal as shutdown deadline approaches
« Reply #117 on: February 12, 2019, 09:48:27 PM »
That is not a counter argument.  I'll assume you give up.

Do whatever you want. 

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Re: Negotiators close to deal as shutdown deadline approaches
« Reply #118 on: February 12, 2019, 11:34:50 PM »
If I recall what I have seen, you don't live where there are any number of illegals that could bet termed other than almost non existent, so I guess that is why you haven't a clue to what illegals demand to be payed tax free I might add.

80,000 non existent illegals in WI.  1.3% of the population.

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/sites/default/files/research/immigrants_in_wisconsin.pdf

I have a family member who works here.



https://isthmus.com/news/news/ice-arrests-83-immigrants-in-wisconsin-in-enforcement-surge/

Why is ICE in WI? 

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No, we don't need any more damn illegal immigrant low wage earners that have almost completely eliminated the stater jobs of our teenagers. We have illegals and illiterates that have taken almost all those jobs and then cry that they can't raise a family on minimum wage working a job at a skill level that was never meant to do more than train new entries into the job market while putting a little cash in their pockets.

Teenagers don't work jobs.  They have after school activities.  Most businesses would gladly hire a legal worker at minimum wage for jobs illiterate illegals can perform.  It's not here yet but technology will eliminate many service jobs eventually. 
My bank has a ATM- no bank teller
My grocer has a self checkout line - no bagboy or cashier
McDonalds has a order kiosk - no cashier
Little Caesers has a machine that makes pizzas nearly start to finish - no food preparers
Nearly every fast food or chain restaurant have phone apps to order and pay for food - fewer waitress's and hosts
Bookstores, parts stores, clothing stores, and more are being replace by the internet - fewer construction workers to build stores almost no employees to sell, maintain, or display products.

This is going to be a big problem in our service economy.  With the exception of bagboys and construction workers these service workers need to speak English.  Their jobs are disappearing.

Service areas that don't require literacy are construction, food prep, janitorial, and some auto repair.

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Me, speaking for myself only, am fed up with not being able to be understood or understand a freaking counter person at a fast food restaurant., and I ran fast food and food operations for twenty five years. I experienced personally the transition from housewives and teens to almost all Hispanic as our teens were told by almost everyone that fast food was trash work.

In 1996 President Clinton and the GOP Congress passed sweeping changes to AFDC, influenced by WI Governor Tommy Thompson's Welfare to Work or W2 program.  Gov Thompson's W2 program required you actually had to have a job to receive assistance from the state.  Around that time I worked for a telemarketing company.  They hired a fat welfare mom because she was black and it helped protect them from a racial discrimination suit after she would inevitably be fired.  The job was easy.  A computer screen provided name and address as well as other information.  A script to read was provided and any moron that could read could return to work the next day and even make a marginally better wage than minimum...and while sitting in air-conditioned comfort and reading what ever between calls.  A special magnifying screen was built because she claimed sight problems and President Bush(41) passed a disability law.

I have never laughed as heartily as the moment she took her first call and said...

Hello.  Is 'w' 'i' 'l' 'l' 'i' 'a' 'm' at home?  I mean she literally spelled out the name William.

Business will not build special monitors and teach Americans to read.  They will eliminate the low skill jobs with tech, and if they still can't find labor in a 4% unemployed economy they will eliminate expansion and let foreign markets take up the slack.

I believe a high percentage of that 4% are drug addicts, violent criminals, people with poor work attendance or hygiene, and Trump voters.  If I owned a business I might prefer to employ a better than average illegal if I could get away with it.

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I also worked construction for fifteen years and saw the Hispanic influence take hold. My SIL is a foreman for a large contractor putting up those large multi use high rises in Los Angeles so I hear about what is still going on.

There is no doubt about it.  Americans pound nails better than Mexicans./ sarc

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So to put it bluntly, I don't believe you have any idea what your pushing.

You sound like my Mom. 
I got to say I enjoyed your reply.  It was substantive, clear, and provocative without being personally insulting.  I hope my reply lives up to that standard.  Thank you for taking the time to help me understand your point of view.
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Re: Negotiators close to deal as shutdown deadline approaches
« Reply #119 on: February 12, 2019, 11:47:22 PM »
80,000 non existent illegals in WI.  1.3% of the population.

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/sites/default/files/research/immigrants_in_wisconsin.pdf

I have a family member who works here.



https://isthmus.com/news/news/ice-arrests-83-immigrants-in-wisconsin-in-enforcement-surge/

Why is ICE in WI? 

Teenagers don't work jobs.  They have after school activities.  Most businesses would gladly hire a legal worker at minimum wage for jobs illiterate illegals can perform.  It's not here yet but technology will eliminate many service jobs eventually. 
My bank has a ATM- no bank teller
My grocer has a self checkout line - no bagboy or cashier
McDonalds has a order kiosk - no cashier
Little Caesers has a machine that makes pizzas nearly start to finish - no food preparers
Nearly every fast food or chain restaurant have phone apps to order and pay for food - fewer waitress's and hosts
Bookstores, parts stores, clothing stores, and more are being replace by the internet - fewer construction workers to build stores almost no employees to sell, maintain, or display products.

This is going to be a big problem in our service economy.  With the exception of bagboys and construction workers these service workers need to speak English.  Their jobs are disappearing.

Service areas that don't require literacy are construction, food prep, janitorial, and some auto repair.

In 1996 President Clinton and the GOP Congress passed sweeping changes to AFDC, influenced by WI Governor Tommy Thompson's Welfare to Work or W2 program.  Gov Thompson's W2 program required you actually had to have a job to receive assistance from the state.  Around that time I worked for a telemarketing company.  They hired a fat welfare mom because she was black and it helped protect them from a racial discrimination suit after she would inevitably be fired.  The job was easy.  A computer screen provided name and address as well as other information.  A script to read was provided and any moron that could read could return to work the next day and even make a marginally better wage than minimum...and while sitting in air-conditioned comfort and reading what ever between calls.  A special magnifying screen was built because she claimed sight problems and President Bush(41) passed a disability law.

I have never laughed as heartily as the moment she took her first call and said...

Hello.  Is 'w' 'i' 'l' 'l' 'i' 'a' 'm' at home?  I mean she literally spelled out the name William.

Business will not build special monitors and teach Americans to read.  They will eliminate the low skill jobs with tech, and if they still can't find labor in a 4% unemployed economy they will eliminate expansion and let foreign markets take up the slack.

I believe a high percentage of that 4% are drug addicts, violent criminals, people with poor work attendance or hygiene, and Trump voters.  If I owned a business I might prefer to employ a better than average illegal if I could get away with it.

There is no doubt about it.  Americans pound nails better than Mexicans./ sarc

You sound like my Mom. 
I got to say I enjoyed your reply.  It was substantive, clear, and provocative without being personally insulting.  I hope my reply lives up to that standard.  Thank you for taking the time to help me understand your point of view.

Ms. Navarette should have been prosecuted for aiding and abetting.

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Re: Negotiators close to deal as shutdown deadline approaches
« Reply #120 on: February 13, 2019, 12:30:31 AM »
Ms. Navarette should have been prosecuted for aiding and abetting.
I googled "Navarette' and "Ms. Navarette" :shrug:
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Re: Negotiators close to deal as shutdown deadline approaches
« Reply #121 on: February 13, 2019, 12:51:12 AM »
I googled "Navarette' and "Ms. Navarette" :shrug:

From the link you posted about that Drunken Bovine.

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« Reply #122 on: February 13, 2019, 01:01:09 AM »
From the link you posted about that Drunken Bovine.
The Tipsy Cow is a bar/restaurant.  She should have closed the bar and moved out of the USA.  but then where would my State legislators drink booze outside of the Capitol?  They might have to walk several blocks further.

Thank you for your frivolous reply.  It helped me understand the depth of your abilities, and contemplation on this issue.  Who is your favorite Pokemon?
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Re: Negotiators close to deal as shutdown deadline approaches
« Reply #123 on: February 13, 2019, 02:48:04 AM »
Funny that - Because I live where there is virtually *no* illegal alien population. Fruit pickers come seasonally with their green cards, and gone again... Somehow we seem to get by fine... Our toilets get clean, oue lawns get mowed. Our houses get built... all by white guys and indians.

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« Reply #124 on: February 13, 2019, 03:30:11 AM »
Funny that - Because I live where there is virtually *no* illegal alien population. Fruit pickers come seasonally with their green cards, and gone again... Somehow we seem to get by fine... Our toilets get clean, oue lawns get mowed. Our houses get built... all by white guys and indians.

Illegals will work insane hours under inhuman conditions for slave wages, but your home town can't attract any?   88finger point
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