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Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2019, 02:44:21 PM »
Absolutely... if you are referring to Latinos that are here illegally or intend to come here illegally.  The Native American Indians were 'already here'.   This was their homeland.  They didn't migrate to the US.  Big/huge difference.

Actually...there is an ancestral link between the people of ancient East Asia and modern Native Americans...even they "immigrated" here via a land bridge thousands of years ago.
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Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2019, 02:48:06 PM »
Actually...there is an ancestral link between the people of ancient East Asia and modern Native Americans...even they "immigrated" here via a land bridge thousands of years ago.

Well... if you really want to nit-pick back that far (lol)....  we are ALL migrated immigrants from Noah's ark!   :whistle:
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Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2019, 02:55:09 PM »
Well... if you really want to nit-pick back that far (lol)....  we are ALL migrated immigrants from Noah's ark!   :whistle:

LOL! Exactly.  This whole notion that we "stole" land from some indigenous people just kinda irks me.  Especially when you do some study of history and American Indian culture and discover how ruthless they were with each other.

If you really want to drive a Liberal nuts...point out that fact that prior to the Trail of Tears march from the Southeast out to the West..."Five Civilized Tribes" were some of the biggest slave owners in the Old South.

That's the problem with the history being taught and regurgitated by the likes of Alex from The Bronx...it's biased...one sided and blames the White man for everything wrong that's happened in this country since day 1.

And that's just not the reality of what went down.  But Millennial idiots like Cortez aren't smart enough or intellectually curious enough to dig for the real truth.
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Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2019, 03:02:32 PM »
LOL! Exactly.  This whole notion that we "stole" land from some indigenous people just kinda irks me.  Especially when you do some study of history and American Indian culture and discover how ruthless they were with each other.

If you really want to drive a Liberal nuts...point out that fact that prior to the Trail of Tears march from the Southeast out to the West..."Five Civilized Tribes" were some of the biggest slave owners in the Old South.

That's the problem with the history being taught and regurgitated by the likes of Alex from The Bronx...it's biased...one sided and blames the White man for everything wrong that's happened in this country since day 1.

And that's just not the reality of what went down.  But Millennial idiots like Cortez aren't smart enough or intellectually curious enough to dig for the real truth.

I am forced to agree.  I have long railed against half of my ancestors for their lack of "vision" and lack of logical forethought.  If only (two biggest words on the planet?).... they had, instead of fighting each other .... tribe vs. tribe..., united to defeat 'whitey'....they might have had a chance.

I wonder what would have happened if someone with "guerella tactics" knowledge had been in charge of one of the main tribes.  Would make a great scifi movie plot, don't you think?  A time-traveling Rambo type warrior.... goes back in time and teaches/trains the NAs how to fight the white invaders....Wolverine style.   Oh well...

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There is some irony in her last name.

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In Genesis 15:13 God says that the Hebrews will be slaves for 400 years. Black activists picked this up and started saying that Blacks have been slaves for 400 years in America. Which, of course, cannot be true. That would mean that Black people were at Jamestown in 1600 and we all know this is not correct. Black people were slaves for thousands of years in Africa, and they still are today. But not in America.

How much do you bet that Latinos will begin some campaign that says they always spoke Spanish well before Ponce de Leon or any of the Spanish explorers conquered them?
Decent treatment of the 1619 Jamestown claims found here, which puts that in perspective. Worth reading, imho. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/misguided-focus-1619-beginning-slavery-us-damages-our-understanding-american-history-180964873/
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Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2019, 03:17:19 PM »

I wonder what would have happened if someone with "guerella tactics" knowledge had been in charge of one of the main tribes.  Would make a great scifi movie plot, don't you think?  A time-traveling Rambo type warrior.... goes back in time and teaches/trains the NAs how to fight the white invaders....Wolverine style.   Oh well...

There was a Sci-fi book written once that told a story based on the South winning the Civil War because someone had travelled back in time and equipped some of the Southern units with AK-47's.

Even someone with the 19th century knowledge of squad tactics and guerilla warfare working with the Apache or Comanche tribes in the Southwest could have changed how history was written.  But then again you'd have had to have gotten those tribes working together instead of warring with each other.
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There is some irony in her last name.

Perhaps in her first name as well.

Alexandria the Grate.

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Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2019, 03:34:52 PM »
Absolutely... if you are referring to Latinos that are here illegally or intend to come here illegally.  The Native American Indians were 'already here'.   This was their homeland.  They didn't migrate to the US.  Big/huge difference.
The American Indians who were resident in what is now the United States guarded their land from invasion by other groups, be they from the part of North America conquered by French, English speaking Europeans, or Spaniards (or Portuguese).

Where does she think the Mayans and Aztecs got all the 'captives' they sacrificed?

They did not live in what is now the United States. Nor did the other tribes found outside those boundaries. They might be "First Nations" Canadians, or Natives of Mexico, Central, or South America, but that never did give them any claim to any part of what is now the United States.
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Perhaps in her first name as well.

Alexandria the Grate.

She needs more names in her name.  I'm thinking something like, Alexandria Miranda Veracruz de la Jolla Cardinal Cortez.
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Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2019, 03:57:30 PM »
I wonder what would have happened if someone with "guerella tactics" knowledge had been in charge of one of the main tribes.  Would make a great scifi movie plot, don't you think?  A time-traveling Rambo type warrior.... goes back in time and teaches/trains the NAs how to fight the white invaders....Wolverine style.   Oh well...
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My understanding is that guerrilla tactics were well known to the native Americans. In fact, the American Revolutionaries learned these tactics from the native Americans. In Europe, men stood in formation facing each other. When the British came to America, the Americans were hiding behind trees and rocks or whatever. This was not done before in Europe. Opposing Armies should stand shoulder to shoulder and face each other in the honorable practice of war. In some cases the generals would meet in the center of the battlefield and negotiate the terms of the battle, for example who would fire first and such.

What you call, 'Wolverine style' was the only way the Native American knew how to fight. And the colonialist learned it from them and used this new tactic to defeat the British. Can you imagine marching through an American forest wearing bright red coats? Anyone within a half a mile would see you and shoot you dead.

The British were in a foreign land dealing with foreign warfare techniques. It is one of the primary reasons they were defeated.
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I was born here. My parents were born here.

That makes me a Native American.

Any argument against that is specious BS.

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Decent treatment of the 1619 Jamestown claims found here, which puts that in perspective. Worth reading, imho. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/misguided-focus-1619-beginning-slavery-us-damages-our-understanding-american-history-180964873/
I read it, but didn't really 'get it'. Is he saying that Black slaves were in America before 1600, or that they accompanied the Jamestown settlers? He seems to imply that traders came to Jamestown with slaves and bartered to trade them...or something like that, I guess?

It seemed to me to be just so much erudite circumlocution very much lacking in stating distinct facts or direct statements.
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I was born here. My parents were born here.

That makes me a Native American.

Any argument against that is specious BS.

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Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2019, 04:18:16 PM »
I think confirmed and verified Native American would disagree that Latinos are them.

@240B

This Tuscarora/Scots-Irish/Greek blend certainly disagrees with her.

First of all,the peoples called "Native Americans" were NOT native Americans. They came here from Asia and Europe.
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Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2019, 04:19:55 PM »
Absolutely... if you are referring to Latinos that are here illegally or intend to come here illegally.  The Native American Indians were 'already here'.   This was their homeland.  They didn't migrate to the US.  Big/huge difference.

@XenaLee

Wrong. ALL my ancestors originally migrated here with the exception of my Greek father. He was just visiting.

On top of that,my Tuscarora ancestors were originally from what is now called New York State. They are an offshoot of the Mohawk tribe,and at some point in history just migrated south. I guess they liked the warmer weather.

I have no idea where they came from before they settled in upstate NY. It was from some place in northern Europe or Asia,though.
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I read it, but didn't really 'get it'. Is he saying that Black slaves were in America before 1600, or that they accompanied the Jamestown settlers? He seems to imply that traders came to Jamestown with slaves and bartered to trade them...or something like that, I guess?

It seemed to me to be just so much erudite circumlocution very much lacking in stating distinct facts or direct statements.

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There were slaves in the so-called New World long before Jamestown. The natives were fond of enslaving each other,and there was slavery everywhere the Spanish went.

This is why it is always narrowed to down to "in the English-Speaking New World".

No,there were no slaves at Jamestown at first. There were indentured servants,though. Most came from England/Scotland/Ireland,but some came from the Carribean Islands. Don't ask me how they got free because I don't know.

There were however black INDENTURED servants at Jamestown. They were a part of the plan from day one because it is backbreaking,brutal work to clear forests using shovels and axes so you can plant cash crops. Without virtually free labor,and lots of it,the colony would have failed.

It was a BLACK former indentured servant named Johnson who had worked off his labor commitment and been given land to start his own farm that brought the first man into the English-Speaking New World and enslaved him. He brought a black man from one of the Caribbean Islands as an indentured servant,and when the man had worked off his obligation,refused to free him because he claimed the mans labor would never match the expenses of bringing him in,feeding,housing,and clothing him,and giving him medical care. He took this to the Colonial Court to prove his case,and won. Once he won he brought in other slaves,and had a successful tobacco farm that he later sold when he moved to Maryland to open a horse farm. He was a wealthy man raising race horses when he died.
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Huh???  Galdurnit....could you repeat that ....sans the Gabby Hayes accent?   :silly:

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Re: Cortez: All Latino Illegals Can Come at Will Since All Are Native Americans
« Reply #49 on: February 08, 2019, 08:23:28 PM »
@XenaLee

My understanding is that guerrilla tactics were well known to the native Americans. In fact, the American Revolutionaries learned these tactics from the native Americans. In Europe, men stood in formation facing each other. When the British came to America, the Americans were hiding behind trees and rocks or whatever. This was not done before in Europe. Opposing Armies should stand shoulder to shoulder and face each other in the honorable practice of war. In some cases the generals would meet in the center of the battlefield and negotiate the terms of the battle, for example who would fire first and such.

What you call, 'Wolverine style' was the only way the Native American knew how to fight. And the colonialist learned it from them and used this new tactic to defeat the British. Can you imagine marching through an American forest wearing bright red coats? Anyone within a half a mile would see you and shoot you dead.

The British were in a foreign land dealing with foreign warfare techniques. It is one of the primary reasons they were defeated.
The colonists learned the "skulking way of war" from the Iroquois and other encounters. The other aspect to that was that not only did the colonists often have superior rifled weapons which were more accurate, they often had plenty of practice with them from hunting or defending their homes--especially those closer to the frontier. They could and did target individual soldiers, including officers (generally not done in Europe).

The Brown Bess, while reliable because of the large flint and frizzen, was more an area weapon, shooting a three quarter inch ball (.75 caliber) out of a smooth bore--not accurate individually, so much, but capable of wreaking havoc on massed troops when used in a group to fire upon an area packed with European style formations, which the colonists just did not present.
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