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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #100 on: January 29, 2019, 06:27:59 pm »
I'm fine with this as long as they use the right version and guidance- the 1861 Presbiluthertarianism Calvin Edition (with the post Hobbs translation of Isiah 63, not the pre-translation which is heresy) as written about by Sister Abigal Hogbottom in the Cleveland Ohio First Church of Rain Run-off and Blessings.

Everything else is heresy and should be banned.

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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #101 on: January 29, 2019, 06:30:33 pm »
I agree with most of what you've said, but will side with @XenaLee in saying that some people have little choice, so I wouldn't call it abuse.

I should add that when our kids were in school (they're in their thirties, pushing forty now), there were still public schools with a number of Christian teachers who continued to teach right from wrong and didn't indoctrinate to the left.  That's why we were able to send them there.

Three of them were Salutatorians and one a Valedictorian and they all gave Commencement speeches (approved by the administration) that pretty much straight preached the Gospel.  I know it was an exception even then, but schools like ours used to exist.

Since then, it's gone precipitously downhill and we would definitely not send our kids to public schools now.

The problem for most parents is $$.  I just looked up the tuition fees where we sent our kids and now it is over $13k.  If you have only one child that is relatively affordable, but sending multiple children would get to be a bit pricey. 
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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #102 on: January 29, 2019, 06:34:36 pm »
What is needed is more Christian-based private schools that are affordable to middle income and lower middle-class parents.

Indeed!

I considered Home Schooling, but as a strong Pro-Life advocate, I wanted them to get out of their childhoods alive, and was pretty sure I couldn't guarantee that if they were home with me all day.  wink777
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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #103 on: January 29, 2019, 06:35:11 pm »
The actual teaching of Christian morals was in our public schools not so long ago - I remember the 10 commandments on the wall and morning prayer - I remember basic teaching (Adam and Eve, Noah, Jonah, etc) as part of the curriculum... as examples of right and wrong... and that in a public school in Chicago.

Later I went to Christian school, and could not comment on the public system until I was out here - But even here, morning prayer, 10 commandments... I remember when it quit, though I do not know if that was a transitional thing or if it was by edict (as they coincided). It was in my transition to middle school. And not long after that, the 10 commandments were removed from in front of the courthouse. I was there that day. :(
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The bold print is why it cannot be done in schools today.  I also remember how it used to be. Churches were full on Sunday; I was a church pianist on Sunday morning, Sunday night, on Wednesday night.  Church is what one did on Sunday.  The country is not like it was in those years.  Killings were unusual in those years.  Cars were not locked; the keys were in the ignition. Houses were not locked.  Those years are gone and I believe a school Bible class would end up in court and not be allowed.

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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #104 on: January 29, 2019, 06:39:47 pm »
Indeed!

I considered Home Schooling, but as a strong Pro-Life advocate, I wanted them to get out of their childhoods alive, and was pretty sure I couldn't guarantee that if they were home with me all day.  wink777

Lol!   My mother would have made a great home-schooler teacher (very Gestapo when she needed to be).   She basically, single-handedly, taught me how to write when I was a kid....because the school in Norfolk was way ahead of the schools in Texas, and they were going to 'try' to put me back a year because of it.  I was already a year ahead of the other kids, but NAH.  She wouldn't have it.  She taught me herself... and I ended up with better hand-writing than most of the class.  (don't have that now, though due to years of lax and laziness re: penmanship.   **nononono*)
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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #105 on: January 29, 2019, 06:59:26 pm »
You would have a case of every single religious belief wanting their representation in public school curriculum. It may get to the point that then public schools do nothing but teach religion instead of  math, science, history etc.

well....that's what you are asking for with a class or activity at the expense of the taxpayer dollar....which is why you don't see it

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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #106 on: January 29, 2019, 07:04:40 pm »


lol......that shit doesn't work

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Oooh, he said a bad word!  What an edgelord, lmao

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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #107 on: January 29, 2019, 07:07:58 pm »
@BlueHammer

Oooh, he said a bad word!  What an edgelord, lmao

I'm scared!

You remind me of someone I used to know. You work for the Roy Moore Senate campaign?

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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #108 on: January 29, 2019, 07:08:59 pm »
@roamer_1

The bold print is why it cannot be done in schools today.  I also remember how it used to be. Churches were full on Sunday; I was a church pianist on Sunday morning, Sunday night, on Wednesday night.  Church is what one did on Sunday.  The country is not like it was in those years.  Killings were unusual in those years.  Cars were not locked; the keys were in the ignition. Houses were not locked.  Those years are gone and I believe a school Bible class would end up in court and not be allowed.

I think that people believe something like this will 'fix' our society is one of the main reasons we have the problems we do. People have ceded personal responsibility to others- expecting that schools teach things that should be taught in homes. Expecting the government to force these things to happen.

When these things were taught in school, they were a reflection of society, not something that actually fixed it.

My sarcastic comment above aside, I have no problem with a community deciding this curriculum fits their society (as long as it doesn't push others out for different beliefs). What take issue with is people expecting this to fix anything when they can't even be bothered to do it at home.

If we continued to live these values in our homes, neighborhoods, and cities; if churches stopped being social clubs and started being guides to life; if fraternal organizations were again looked at as a way to make good men better and helped teach everlasting values, then we wouldn't be demanding the government do this for us. It would be there naturally because they reflected us.

I really am not crazy about the thought, in this day and age, of government run schools telling children what their religion means.

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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #109 on: January 29, 2019, 07:10:49 pm »
@BlueHammer

Oooh, he said a bad word!  What an edgelord, lmao

I'm scared!

Don't try to fool us, @QueenCatofAragon .

With that AWESOME avatar, you ain't afraid of nothin!
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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #110 on: January 29, 2019, 07:14:36 pm »
Don't try to fool us, @QueenCatofAragon .

With that AWESOME avatar, you ain't afraid of nothin!

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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #111 on: January 29, 2019, 07:17:29 pm »
You remind me of someone I used to know. You work for the Roy Moore Senate campaign?

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No, you see, I used to post here, but as a secret Dem operative with (horror movie music) "an agenda", I just got busted by the smart posters and had to take a break.  I spent some time in the south of France, courtesy of Soros. 

As for Moore, I hear he's trying to get a job as a school crossing guard.
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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #112 on: January 29, 2019, 07:21:10 pm »
@Amb. Frank Cannon

No, you see, I used to post here, but as a secret Dem operative with (horror movie music) "an agenda", I just got busted by the smart posters and had to take a break.  I spent some time in the south of France, courtesy of Soros. 

As for Moore, I hear he's trying to get a job as a school crossing guard.

I knew it. LauraTXMN how are you? Long time no see.

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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #113 on: January 29, 2019, 07:27:20 pm »
@musiclady

I love her, lol.

This troll isn't even trying.

You're right about that.

Pretty lame attempt to be "smarter" than the rest of us.   *****rollingeyes*****
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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #114 on: January 29, 2019, 07:27:45 pm »
@Amb. Frank Cannon

No, you see, I used to post here, but as a secret Dem operative with (horror movie music) "an agenda", I just got busted by the smart posters and had to take a break.  I spent some time in the south of France, courtesy of Soros. 

As for Moore, I hear he's trying to get a job as a school crossing guard.

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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #115 on: January 29, 2019, 07:30:04 pm »
I knew it. LauraTXMN how are you? Long time no see.

@Amb. Frank Cannon

Bingo
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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #116 on: January 29, 2019, 09:51:41 pm »
I distinctly remember the Commonwealth of Virginia requiring study of ancient Greek an Roman religions as part of English Literature curriculum.  If you didn't pass, you didn't graduate.
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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #117 on: January 29, 2019, 09:54:10 pm »
4 kids homeschooled on less than $500 per year... That is $500.00 for all of them, not each.  Eldest just made a 30 on his ACT and starting his second semester in Engineering school. Government has no business in education.
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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #118 on: January 29, 2019, 10:15:58 pm »
4 kids homeschooled on less than $500 per year... That is $500.00 for all of them, not each.  Eldest just made a 30 on his ACT and starting his second semester in Engineering school. Government has no business in education.

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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #119 on: January 29, 2019, 10:19:13 pm »
4 kids homeschooled on less than $500 per year... That is $500.00 for all of them, not each.  Eldest just made a 30 on his ACT and starting his second semester in Engineering school. Government has no business in education.

Does that $500 also include the loss of income from staying home schooling kids?

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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #120 on: January 29, 2019, 10:25:34 pm »
Not demeaning anyone... But I would not send my kids through public school, period. I would home school if necessary. In fact, I regret that my kids were ever exposed to public school at all - When I could no longer afford Christian school, they should have stayed home. That's one of the most regrettable things in my life.
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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #121 on: January 29, 2019, 10:29:01 pm »
4 kids homeschooled on less than $500 per year... That is $500.00 for all of them, not each.  Eldest just made a 30 on his ACT and starting his second semester in Engineering school. Government has no business in education.

Good for you!!  Agreed gov't shouldn't be in the education business.  I know two retired teachers and most of their time was spent teaching the kids what they needed to know in order to pass the 'standardized' tests rather than spending more time just teaching.
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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #122 on: January 29, 2019, 10:30:02 pm »
well....that's what you are asking for with a class or activity at the expense of the taxpayer dollar....which is why you don't see it
So you are saying the taxpayers shouldn't have any input on how their school dollars are spent?
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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #123 on: January 29, 2019, 10:36:24 pm »
I think that people believe something like this will 'fix' our society is one of the main reasons we have the problems we do. People have ceded personal responsibility to others- expecting that schools teach things that should be taught in homes. Expecting the government to force these things to happen.

When these things were taught in school, they were a reflection of society, not something that actually fixed it.

My sarcastic comment above aside, I have no problem with a community deciding this curriculum fits their society (as long as it doesn't push others out for different beliefs). What take issue with is people expecting this to fix anything when they can't even be bothered to do it at home.

If we continued to live these values in our homes, neighborhoods, and cities; if churches stopped being social clubs and started being guides to life; if fraternal organizations were again looked at as a way to make good men better and helped teach everlasting values, then we wouldn't be demanding the government do this for us. It would be there naturally because they reflected us.

I really am not crazy about the thought, in this day and age, of government run schools telling children what their religion means.

Nicely stated, @ABX , but I will take exception to it, as I truly think it is the other way around.

More and more I think the thing that keeps a society coloring between the lines, is the continuity between all aspects of a society. In part you are right - in that part - But I think it goes the other way around. I think religion has recoiled from society into the homes thereof precisely because it can no longer survive in the broader sphere. And in that, polite society, *all of it*, has also retreated, and we are left with cacophony and crime.

All of it is applied with force - Folks know how important that homogeneity is in culture, and folks have stood up to fight this infection at every turn, because it is so important to a culture.

We have not gone down this path on our own. It has been imposed. Every single thing that is the glue of culture has been purposefully eroded,and law has been used to continue that erosion, preventing folks from fixing the problem.

You are seeing the result of that imposition, and the continuing liberalism, beginning in the cities and leeching out like a poison into the countryside... Even now, the very heartland has become infected, and there is little left that can be done, without what's left standing up come hell or high water, as a people, and saying oh hell no, and putting it back the way it was.

But that is becoming ever harder to do - because this grim disease is no longer hidden in metaphors and and things spoken in whispers... It strides boldly in the halls of power. It owns federal law. It owns the media. It owns corporate board rooms.

It pours this vile shit down the throats of our young, taxes us blind, using our own money to give itself impetus, doubling and redoubling with every generation.

People have fought against it for decades, but our own laws have been perverted to stand in our way, against a foe 3000 miles away...

Given their own head, with the law to protect them, most communities would outlaw abortion. Most would outlaw gay marriage, most would instill morality into their community, just like they always have. If you think my little town would not put those 10 commandments back in front of the courthouse and back in every classroom, and would not re-institute public prayer, and do everything they could to put sin back on the other side of the tracks, you've got another think coming.

We cannot. It is being prevented and smothered as another culture is imposed from on high.

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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #124 on: January 29, 2019, 10:41:18 pm »
Schools already do too many things that should be done at home.