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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #75 on: January 29, 2019, 11:34:07 AM »
You would have a case of every single religious belief wanting their representation in public school curriculum. It may get to the point that then public schools do nothing but teach religion instead of  math, science, history etc.

That was not the case before.

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« Reply #76 on: January 29, 2019, 11:49:08 AM »
it was a response to a derogatory statement. I don't care about liberals, but they are the more reasonable ones these days......by a pretty wide margin

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« Reply #77 on: January 29, 2019, 11:50:28 AM »
You would have a case of every single religious belief wanting their representation in public school curriculum. It may get to the point that then public schools do nothing but teach religion instead of  math, science, history etc.

Teaching the Bible as literature has been done before.  It is not "teaching religion," but teaching literature.

It has been successfully taught, and has never once taken over the curriculum.

As I said upthread..... "The Bible as Literature" was in our public school English curriculum not that long ago, and it never caused a problem.

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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #78 on: January 29, 2019, 11:52:39 AM »


lol......that shit doesn't work

Except when you don't realize it's being done.   

But please do carry on.   We know that you are a "reasonable" liberal, and that you are far superior to us cats.  happy77
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« Reply #79 on: January 29, 2019, 11:56:52 AM »
That was not the case before.

 However, I still have not received an answer to my question of what would people’s reaction here would be if one were to change in this thread’s title Trump to Obama and Bible to Koran?
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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #80 on: January 29, 2019, 11:59:05 AM »
Teaching the Bible as literature has been done before.  It is not "teaching religion," but teaching literature.

It has been successfully taught, and has never once taken over the curriculum.

As I said upthread..... "The Bible as Literature" was in our public school English curriculum not that long ago, and it never caused a problem.

The actual teaching of Christian morals was in our public schools not so long ago - I remember the 10 commandments on the wall and morning prayer - I remember basic teaching (Adam and Eve, Noah, Jonah, etc) as part of the curriculum... as examples of right and wrong... and that in a public school in Chicago.

Later I went to Christian school, and could not comment on the public system until I was out here - But even here, morning prayer, 10 commandments... I remember when it quit, though I do not know if that was a transitional thing or if it was by edict (as they coincided). It was in my transition to middle school. And not long after that, the 10 commandments were removed from in front of the courthouse. I was there that day. :(

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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #81 on: January 29, 2019, 12:04:03 PM »
However, I still have not received an answer to my question of what would people’s reaction here would be if one were to change in this thread’s title Trump to Obama and Bible to Koran?

The Koran is presently being taught in many schools.

And is magically NOT an issue for liberals and the supposed "separation" of Church from State.

I may not be in the majority here, but if it were taught as poetry (is it being taught that way?), then it would not be a problem.

But the libs WILL allow Islam being taught and will NOT allow Christianity being taught.

The double standard you should be looking at is theirs, not Conservatives.
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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #82 on: January 29, 2019, 12:05:42 PM »
it was a response to a derogatory statement. I don't care about liberals, but they are the more reasonable ones these days......by a pretty wide margin.


They always seem that way, when they’re out of power. Back in ‘92, Clinton pretended to be ‘a new kind of democrat,’ but we knew better and he proved it.
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« Reply #83 on: January 29, 2019, 12:06:20 PM »
However, I still have not received an answer to my question of what would people’s reaction here would be if one were to change in this thread’s title Trump to Obama and Bible to Koran?

In Michigan, I would not be offended... There are muslim populations there that should be able to teach their children as they see fit.

Here, it would piss me off. There might be two Muslims to rub together in the whole dang town. And yet, my children received muslim and native American religious information in school here, while Christian religious information was summarily blocked. My children were given prayer rugs, taught to kneel on them, facing Mecca, and taught simple Muslim prayers as a diversity exercise... To include 'There is no god but allah and mo-hamhead is his prophet.

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« Reply #84 on: January 29, 2019, 12:09:05 PM »
The actual teaching of Christian morals was in our public schools not so long ago - I remember the 10 commandments on the wall and morning prayer - I remember basic teaching (Adam and Eve, Noah, Jonah, etc) as part of the curriculum... as examples of right and wrong... and that in a public school in Chicago.

Later I went to Christian school, and could not comment on the public system until I was out here - But even here, morning prayer, 10 commandments... I remember when it quit, though I do not know if that was a transitional thing or if it was by edict (as they coincided). It was in my transition to middle school. And not long after that, the 10 commandments were removed from in front of the courthouse. I was there that day. :(

We recited the Lord's Prayer in public school and they read Psalm 23 over the loudspeaker when someone in the school died.

Christianity is deep in the fabric of our country, its education (why were schools started in this country? To teach the Bible), and our history as a whole.

The left is scratching its eyes out to remove it all, but they cannot, because it is too deeply embedded in  our roots as a nation.
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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #85 on: January 29, 2019, 12:12:48 PM »
We recited the Lord's Prayer in public school and they read Psalm 23 over the loudspeaker when someone in the school died.

Christianity is deep in the fabric of our country, its education (why were schools started in this country? To teach the Bible), and our history as a whole.

The left is scratching its eyes out to remove it all, but they cannot, because it is too deeply embedded in  our roots as a nation.

That's mostly right, but I think they are succeeding. That is why so very many of our youth, and adults in generations after us have become so embroiled in materialism and moral turpitude. And it is liberal indoctrination in the schools that is doing it. I truly think that anyone sending their kids to public school in this day and age are committing abuse.

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« Reply #86 on: January 29, 2019, 12:20:38 PM »

They always seem that way, when they’re out of power. Back in ‘92, Clinton pretended to be ‘a new kind of democrat,’ but we knew better and he proved it.

Remember when Obama said 'we need to reject any politics that targets people because of race or religion.' LOL

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« Reply #87 on: January 29, 2019, 12:21:33 PM »
That's mostly right, but I think they are succeeding. That is why so very many of our youth, and adults in generations after us have become so embroiled in materialism and moral turpitude. And it is liberal indoctrination in the schools that is doing it. I truly think that anyone sending their kids to public school in this day and age are committing abuse.

Many folks can't afford to send their kids to private school.  They are stuck with that as their only option.  So no, it's not abuse.  It's just the way it is.   Instead of demeaning folks that can't afford private schooling, we should work to correct the problems with public schooling.  JS....
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« Reply #88 on: January 29, 2019, 12:33:43 PM »
Many folks can't afford to send their kids to private school.  They are stuck with that as their only option.  So no, it's not abuse.  It's just the way it is.   Instead of demeaning folks that can't afford private schooling, we should work to correct the problems with public schooling.  JS....

Not demeaning anyone... But I would not send my kids through public school, period. I would home school if necessary. In fact, I regret that my kids were ever exposed to public school at all - When I could no longer afford Christian school, they should have stayed home. That's one of the most regrettable things in my life.

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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #89 on: January 29, 2019, 12:38:52 PM »
Not demeaning anyone... But I would not send my kids through public school, period. I would home school if necessary. In fact, I regret that my kids were ever exposed to public school at all - When I could no longer afford Christian school, they should have stayed home. That's one of the most regrettable things in my life.

Well... one of my long-time friends in Houston has a grandson that is having to go to public school... even though his son has been working 12-hour days (wife works part time in retail) and still can't afford to send the kid to private school thanks to the enormous amount they have to pay for "healthcare" every month.  Docs just found a hole in his heart, which means he's not allowed to go back to work yet... and  he's only 35.
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« Reply #90 on: January 29, 2019, 12:43:27 PM »
I've said it before, many times in fact, but once more can't hurt.

The first and worst mistake we ever made in this country was to allow the gooberment to educate (read indoctrinate) our children!

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« Reply #91 on: January 29, 2019, 12:46:52 PM »
Well... one of my long-time friends in Houston has a grandson that is having to go to public school... even though his son has been working 12-hour days (wife works part time in retail) and still can't afford to send the kid to private school thanks to the enormous amount they have to pay for "healthcare" every month.  Docs just found a hole in his heart, which means he's not allowed to go back to work yet... and  he's only 35.

I hear you... And sometimes there is no resort... But I know a whole lot of homeschoolers these days, and schooling hardly ever takes more than a few hours a day, with way better results than the public system can produce. I literally don't know a single homeshooled kid that ain't pulling A's

If the parents can't do it, maybe the grands can... or there are co-ops where parents trade off according to specialty... I ain't saying it works for everybody, but public schooling is not only a huge disadvantage, it is a moral minefield. I pity the poor kid that has to endure it. Especially boys.

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« Reply #92 on: January 29, 2019, 12:47:23 PM »
I've said it before, many times in fact, but once more can't hurt.

The first and worst mistake we ever made in this country was to allow the gooberment to educate (read indoctrinate) our children!

That's a plain fact, right there.

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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #93 on: January 29, 2019, 12:54:39 PM »
    And now for something completely different (but on topic):

Trump and evangelicals are wrong about teaching the Bible in schools

by David Leach • January 29, 2019


What do you do when you’re Donald Trump and you just caved so BIGLY to Nancy Pelosi that even Ann Coulter — author of In Trump We Trust: E Pluribus Awesome! — calls you “the biggest wimp ever to serve as President of the United States?” You look for a way to appease your loyal but dwindling base of supporters.

Now, what do you do when you’re Donald Trump if, on top of caving to Pelosi, your job approval numbers have sunk so low that your presidency is drawing parallels to the SS Titanic? You also throw a bone to evangelicals and the Fellowship of Pharisees that lead them.

That’s exactly what the thrice-married, serial-philandering, pathologically lying Christian president who’s never asked God for forgiveness did yesterday, although, he didn’t really “do” anything.

<..snip..>

https://www.stridentconservative.com/trump-and-evangelicals-are-wrong-about-teaching-the-bible-in-schools/


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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #94 on: January 29, 2019, 12:59:16 PM »
    And now for something completely different (but on topic):

Trump and evangelicals are wrong about teaching the Bible in schools

by David Leach • January 29, 2019


What do you do when you’re Donald Trump and you just caved so BIGLY to Nancy Pelosi that even Ann Coulter — author of In Trump We Trust: E Pluribus Awesome! — calls you “the biggest wimp ever to serve as President of the United States?” You look for a way to appease your loyal but dwindling base of supporters.

Now, what do you do when you’re Donald Trump if, on top of caving to Pelosi, your job approval numbers have sunk so low that your presidency is drawing parallels to the SS Titanic? You also throw a bone to evangelicals and the Fellowship of Pharisees that lead them.

That’s exactly what the thrice-married, serial-philandering, pathologically lying Christian president who’s never asked God for forgiveness did yesterday, although, he didn’t really “do” anything.

<..snip..>

https://www.stridentconservative.com/trump-and-evangelicals-are-wrong-about-teaching-the-bible-in-schools/

They could be right!  All I know is that if I had my way there would be no such thing as a public (read gooberment run) school.

Everything the gooberment does has strings attached to it.  EVERYTHING!

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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #95 on: January 29, 2019, 01:09:31 PM »
I've said it before, many times in fact, but once more can't hurt.

The first and worst mistake we ever made in this country was to allow the gooberment to educate (read indoctrinate) our children!

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When our children were in middle school we decided to pull them out of the public school system and put them into private schools.  What a difference.  The teachers informed us of the changes in text books (especially history) over the years and stated that the public school system is "dumbing down" our children.  Long story short, both of our kids were in the "gifted" program in the public school, but when tested in the private school they were actually behind and had to take summer courses to catch up before the private school would place them.

Now we have 'Common Core'  which IMHO is nothing more than an avenue to further indoctrinate our children.  Jeb! was responsible for that push.
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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #96 on: January 29, 2019, 01:16:02 PM »
    And now for something completely different (but on topic):

Trump and evangelicals are wrong about teaching the Bible in schools

by David Leach • January 29, 2019


What do you do when you’re Donald Trump and you just caved so BIGLY to Nancy Pelosi that even Ann Coulter — author of In Trump We Trust: E Pluribus Awesome! — calls you “the biggest wimp ever to serve as President of the United States?” You look for a way to appease your loyal but dwindling base of supporters.

Now, what do you do when you’re Donald Trump if, on top of caving to Pelosi, your job approval numbers have sunk so low that your presidency is drawing parallels to the SS Titanic? You also throw a bone to evangelicals and the Fellowship of Pharisees that lead them.

That’s exactly what the thrice-married, serial-philandering, pathologically lying Christian president who’s never asked God for forgiveness did yesterday, although, he didn’t really “do” anything.

<..snip..>

https://www.stridentconservative.com/trump-and-evangelicals-are-wrong-about-teaching-the-bible-in-schools/

Exactly what I thought when I read the headline. Trump is trying to distract from his recent border wall failure.

I think he'd be better off implementing FREE learning centers in every city so that people can learn to speak Spanish.
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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #97 on: January 29, 2019, 01:17:09 PM »
I hear you... And sometimes there is no resort... But I know a whole lot of homeschoolers these days, and schooling hardly ever takes more than a few hours a day, with way better results than the public system can produce. I literally don't know a single homeshooled kid that ain't pulling A's

If the parents can't do it, maybe the grands can... or there are co-ops where parents trade off according to specialty... I ain't saying it works for everybody, but public schooling is not only a huge disadvantage, it is a moral minefield. I pity the poor kid that has to endure it. Especially boys.

Homeschooling means that the parent(s) that are teaching the kids aren't working full time.   That has become an almost impossibility with most folks since the Obamanation and ObamaCare.  Parents have had to be working more than one job just to pay the bills, buy the food, pay for the healthcare.... and then the healthcare insurance drain on the family's income.   In my friend's case.... all three generations (father, son, grandson) are a product of public schooling due to lack of money and therefore, lack of any other choices.

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Re: Trump touts proposed Bible literacy classes in state schools
« Reply #98 on: January 29, 2019, 01:19:12 PM »
That's mostly right, but I think they are succeeding. That is why so very many of our youth, and adults in generations after us have become so embroiled in materialism and moral turpitude. And it is liberal indoctrination in the schools that is doing it. I truly think that anyone sending their kids to public school in this day and age are committing abuse.

I agree with most of what you've said, but will side with @XenaLee in saying that some people have little choice, so I wouldn't call it abuse.

I should add that when our kids were in school (they're in their thirties, pushing forty now), there were still public schools with a number of Christian teachers who continued to teach right from wrong and didn't indoctrinate to the left.  That's why we were able to send them there.

Three of them were Salutatorians and one a Valedictorian and they all gave Commencement speeches (approved by the administration) that pretty much straight preached the Gospel.  I know it was an exception even then, but schools like ours used to exist.

Since then, it's gone precipitously downhill and we would definitely not send our kids to public schools now.
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« Reply #99 on: January 29, 2019, 01:22:39 PM »
I agree with most of what you've said, but will side with @XenaLee in saying that some people have little choice, so I wouldn't call it abuse.

I should add that when our kids were in school (they're in their thirties, pushing forty now), there were still public schools with a number of Christian teachers who continued to teach right from wrong and didn't indoctrinate to the left.  That's why we were able to send them there.

Three of them were Salutatorians and one a Valedictorian and they all gave Commencement speeches (approved by the administration) that pretty much straight preached the Gospel.  I know it was an exception even then, but schools like ours used to exist.

Since then, it's gone precipitously downhill and we would definitely not send our kids to public schools now.

What is needed is more Christian-based private schools that are affordable to middle income and lower middle-class parents.
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