Can the Republic Survive the Mainstream Media?

[BlueHammer]

Your "Border Crossings" qualifier not withstanding, its pretty clear illegal immigration is FAR worse than it was 20 -30 years ago. A good chunk of those are border crossers. I have my doubt about it ticking down recently, too.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/11/28/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

that's not what the data in your link says......and here's another pew graphic

[roamer_1]

without fiscal prudence and sound morals, there can be no conservatism......fact is that Trump is not a conservative at all.....he is a panderer.....as for his tax cut, he is true to the belief that most Americans are small people on the shoulders of giants

That's pretty right on.
@XenaLee  is right too, though - He is good to the military, and is restoring our defensive posture. He is getting us out of foreign entanglements, or at least attempting same, **so far**... But without the imperative of principles, that could change on a whim, and he could easily bury us in another war (with Venezuela, for instance)... And wag-the-dog is probably a viable option if he sags too far publicly before the next election (IMHO).

Likewise with the tax cut - A very conservative position... IF TIED TO spending cuts and a balanced budget... but it's the spending, stupid...

So yeah, he feigns conservatism, but doesn't live by it, so he is guessing with his finger in... the air.

As for border security, given that the situation along the mexican border has been improving for the last 20 years, there are more important issues to be deal with in the country...

That is not true. Just from the positions of drug interdiction, and the burden of illegal aliens on resources, the cost of a  border fence and influx of security would largely be paid for in a year.
That's well worth doing.

.....problem is that he has taken the wall, or the fence, or the steel slats or whatever you want to call it to his base and they are blindly running with 'build that wall'

I am no fan of Tump, being far, far to the right from him. But damn well right, build the wall (and enforce the law).

By the way, how does somebody blindly commit billions of dollars to an abstract concept ..... shouldn't there be any details to the proposal or is  'whatever you want to call it' enough.

Wrong again. Walls are enormously effective, and not an abstract concept at all. Without borders there is no nation. Perhaps you can show me another nation with means that has open borders and lets folks just walk on in and get on the dole...

WRONG........the is not conservatism...

YES - The border is most definitely Conservative, and has been something conservatives have been screaming for for three decades...

...he is a bright light distracting a bunch of moths

That part is right...

[Cyber Liberty]

Arrests are down, but that is a very misleading statistic.  Crimes and welfare usage by illegals would be more meaningful.

[XenaLee]

Arrests are down, but that is a very misleading statistic.  Crimes and welfare usage by illegals would be more meaningful.

VERY misleading stats under Obama... since our border enforcement was ordered to not do their jobs.  Everything about the left's statistics is faked, phony and inaccurate, IMO.

[roamer_1]

  Are you from a border State, by chance?

Nah... He said he is from Massivetwoshits.

[dfwgator]

So yeah, he feigns conservatism, but doesn't live by it, so he is guessing with his finger in... the air.

 

If Trump is a conservative, he'd be the only one in the whole of Washington DC.

[Cyber Liberty]

VERY misleading stats under Obama... since our border enforcement was ordered to not do their jobs.  Everything about the left's statistics is faked, phony and inaccurate, IMO.

I can't get my mind around someone claiming to have been a long-time resident of San Diego thinking the "problems at the border" are down.

[skeeter]

that's not what the data in your link says......and here's another pew graphic

Not sure how you concluded that. Border crossers aren't all Mexican.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

come on, man.......it doesn't matter how much a person on one side wants to hate on the other, neither is going anywhere......things are best when there is some common groung and 'my way or the highway' will lead that attitude with more disappointment than satisfaction

So, . . . I'm supposed to jettison my positions for yours because I'm a Hater and the only way we can achieve Kum By Ya is if Your way becomes the common ground.

Write this down somewhere to constantly remind yourself;

Bullet point #1: I'm not here to negotiate the terms of my surrender to you, NOOB.

@The Ghost
@Amb. Frank Cannon
@DCPatriot 

As I suspected.

Another DU sapper.

Bullet point #2: There's plenty of Never Trumpers here. Cozy up to them.

I don't respond well to having my leg pi$$ed on and being told it's raining.

[Cyber Liberty]

Nah... He said he is from Massivetwoshits.

Claims to have been a resident of San Diego for 17 years, so I have no idea how he missed all those new neighbors.  Or the signs depicting a running family everywhere.

[XenaLee]

I can't get my mind around someone claiming to have been a long-time resident of San Diego thinking the "problems at the border" are down.

I know.  It's delusional at best.  Won't say what the "at worst" is....lol.

[roamer_1]

If Trump is a conservative, he'd be the only one in the whole of Washington DC.

Yeah, he is not Conservative.
He's a big spending NYC Liberal with enough acuity to understand where the red meat is... but no real understanding as to why it is read meat. Feigned conservatism in him was just a means to an end.

[BlueHammer]

Ehh.... you're positing that the issue is an 'either/or' one.  It's not.  You can be conservative on some issues, and radically non-conservative on others.  Case in point:  how drastically opposite some of us "conservatives" here disagree on various issues and policies.  And notice that I said "somewhat", not "yes".
 
Improving?  How, exactly, did you manage to come up with that?   It has gotten, pardon the pun, progressively WORSE over the last decade.

An abstract concept?  It ain't rocket science.  It's pretty straight-forward.  You construct a barrier to keep illegal invaders the hell out.

Wrong?  Lol!  Go back and re-read my post... slower this time.

this is pretty typical of 'conservatives' today.......note the quotes, you're not conservative.....being a conservative is not something to do to prove your anger with liberals

[BlueHammer]

Not sure how you concluded that. Border crossers aren't all Mexican.

the chart is geographic, not demographic

[aligncare]

Yeah, he is not Conservative.
He's a big spending NYC Liberal with enough acuity to understand where the red meat is... but no real understanding as to why it is read meat. Feigned conservatism in him was just a means to an end.

It’s a good thing that in the election of 2016 most conservatives and republicans disagreed with your assessment of Trump and voted for him anyway.

But go ahead, feel free, take pleasure in the benefits of Trump’s economy, the booming job market, the tax cuts, the reductions of federal regulations, his branding of media corruption as fake news and making it stick, his unquestioned patriotism and love for the military, his non-PC attitude dismissal of phony global warming science... oh, and that Trump made the southern wall a campaign issue and that we are currently on the cusp of it becoming a reality – I don’t want to leave that out.

I could go on, but you seem to know all this, yet you dismiss the man. So, whatever. Enjoy your own reality.

[Cyber Liberty]

I must admit I am shocked it took 15 posts to trot out the "You are not a conservative!"  Lecture. That's a sure way to make a lot of friends at TBR.

[XenaLee]

this is pretty typical of 'conservatives' today.......note the quotes, you're not conservative.....being a conservative is not something to do to prove your anger with liberals

So who, IYO, is doing that?  Trump?  I never thought he was a conservative from the get-go.  One reason why I didn't vote for him.

[XenaLee]

I must admit I am shocked it took 15 posts to trot out the "You are not a conservative!"  Lecture. That's a sure way to make a lot of friends at TBR.

Maybe... he/she is not looking to make friends at TBR...? 

[skeeter]

the chart is geographic, not demographic

The border is geographic, not demographic.

[Wingnut]

I must admit I am shocked it took 15 posts to trot out the "You are not a conservative!"  Lecture. That's a sure way to make a lot of friends at TBR.

"This is just like television, only you can see much further."

[GrouchoTex]

"Can the Republic Survive the Mainstream Media?"

Seeing changes at HuffPo and a few others, the question may turn out to be:

Can the Mainstream Media Survive the Republic?

I don't watch CNN or Fox anymore.
I haven't been listening to talk radio now for a few months.
The exception being Michael Berry, who is local.
Even people who agree with the particular slant to the news they are watching, still know that it is slanted.
I think there may be a renaissance of journalist, who just want to get accurate stories out.
You've got to figure they don't want to be called "fake news", eventually.

[Absalom]

How about you first unload your question by giving us Your definition of true conservatism?

And when did you stop beating your wife?

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Principled Conservatism is a cliche' on the entire internet
as the yappers couldn't distinguish it from a cinder block.

[XenaLee]

"This is just like television, only you can see much further."

All the way to Russia?

[XenaLee]

"Can the Republic Survive the Mainstream Media?"

Seeing changes at HuffPo and a few others, the question may turn out to be:

Can the Mainstream Media Survive the Republic?

I don't watch CNN or Fox anymore.
I haven't been listening to talk radio now for a few months.
The exception being Michael Berry, who is local.
Even people who agree with the particular slant to the news they are watching, still know that it is slanted.
I think there may be a renaissance of journalist, who just want to get accurate stories out.
You've got to figure they don't want to be called "fake news", eventually.

My friend in Houston (one of em) listens to Berry.   I listen to Rush, Roberts and Levin.   I am much better informed than he is, ergo.   

[BlueHammer]

That's pretty right on.
@XenaLee  is right too, though - He is good to the military, and is restoring our defensive posture. He is getting us out of foreign entanglements, or at least attempting same, **so far**... But without the imperative of principles, that could change on a whim, and he could easily bury us in another war (with Venezuela, for instance)... And wag-the-dog is probably a viable option if he sags too far publicly before the next election (IMHO).

Likewise with the tax cut - A very conservative position... IF TIED TO spending cuts and a balanced budget... but it's the spending, stupid...

So yeah, he feigns conservatism, but doesn't live by it, so he is guessing with his finger in... the air.

That is not true. Just from the positions of drug interdiction, and the burden of illegal aliens on resources, the cost of a  border fence and influx of security would largely be paid for in a year.
That's well worth doing.

I am no fan of Tump, being far, far to the right from him. But damn well right, build the wall (and enforce the law).

Wrong again. Walls are enormously effective, and not an abstract concept at all. Without borders there is no nation. Perhaps you can show me another nation with means that has open borders and lets folks just walk on in and get on the dole...

YES - The border is most definitely Conservative, and has been something conservatives have been screaming for for three decades...

That part is right...

defensive posture? you mean isolationism.... we don't need a damned defensive posture because nobody is ever going to invade us.

whether you want to admit it or not, USA will fall drastically unless it is on top of the global economy......something that can't happen if we are not out there

as for the spending, the biggest head up ass notion is to starve the budget of resources as a way to make a point to cut spending.......it failed under reagan and it will fail here. cutting taxes during an economic expansion is flat out stupid.......you just don't know it yet