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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #276 on: January 28, 2019, 03:47:03 am »
@LegalAmerican

Background.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,247701.msg1217087.html#msg1217087

I think @Smokin Joe has the Trump campaign promises compilation scorecard.
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #277 on: January 28, 2019, 03:48:54 am »
I'm waiting for my "back pedal list" and "promises not kept" list.   Did I miss them?  People throw out that stuff, but can't back it up.  I assume some are now researching for some?  lol.  Give him 8 years like they said Obama needed. Then we can talk, what was NOT DONE, USING CONGRESS & CONSTITUTION. 

I need a real list.

Forget that ALL DEMON-RATS PRESIDENT KEPT NONE...AT ALL...if my president is still working on some of his promises,,very few left, most achieved in 18 months, they want to crucify him for it. Yet the NEXT PRESIDENT will be smooth talking, do NOTHING for Americans, him, her..they will LOVE because they are smooth, lying talkers.  Go figure.

I gave you one up thread a little ways and you ignored it.

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #278 on: January 28, 2019, 03:56:01 am »
The biggest single reason Trump was elected was due to campaigning for "the wall" yet both parties ignore the voters over and over on this. Voters are pissed and I really don't understand how both parties can pretend otherwise.
They don't care. We're pissed. So what. Tough shitsky.

I have laid out the simple calculus of the ballot box:

If it's a red state/district, the voters will vote for whatever GOP candidate is fielded, barring an 11th hour pseudoscandal, and not vote at all if they don't. (Roy Moore, AL, for an example of the latter).

In heavily Democrat districts, the votes will go to the Dem, whoever it is, or they won't go at all,
 
If a candidate who works through the Primary process successfully is patently unacceptable to the power cartel in D.C. the synergy of an 11th hour scandal with a withdrawal of Party support will be used (along with voter fraud) to elect their opponent, if necessary, if they cannot be pushed to withdraw.
 
Only in districts where the ballot is close is there any contest, but regardless of who wins, they will play ball in D.C., for fun and profit, and the voters will come in last. We used to call that process of corruption 'getting Beltway Fever', but now I believe most candidates are compromised long before they are elected. 

Theoretically, we can challenge candidates in primary elections, but keep in mind that requires that the Party list the candidate, at least acknowledge them. Don't have complete faith in that process, either, and keep in mind that in today's news environment, allegations of wrongdoing can be used to scuttle any campaign, following 'leaks' citing unnamed sources who wish to remain anonymous without a shred of credible evidence, and leave the candidate trying to prove a negative (logically, the most difficult position) in the public eye, taking the spotlight off of bloody murder, if need be, in the other camp to elect someone who will 'play ball'.
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« Last Edit: January 28, 2019, 04:07:07 am by Smokin Joe »
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #280 on: January 28, 2019, 04:21:37 am »

Thank you.  It is rare, when people understand.    :kisses2:

I am a LEGAL IMMIGRANT from Europe, who lived socialism.  I ..KNOW.   People on here don't. Complacent.  I think I can say, SPOILED...as they think, their lovely life will continue, while bashing president TRUMP.    So wrong & foolish.
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When you first got here I thought you implied you were a legal immigrant from South America and said you were a Mormon for 20 years???

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #281 on: January 28, 2019, 05:25:54 am »
12 pages and it is amazing that some try to paint others as wanting open borders because they rightfully said they didn't buy the yarn thrown at them by an obvious Bull Shooter that promised them the moon (while having a history of being a proud NY liberal).

Reality: As far as I can tell, there wasn't a NTer that wasn't sincere in wanting a dang wall. So sincere, they saw through the obvious BS being thrown at them from a con artist flippant populist that wanted power and title more than he cared to actually achieve anything..

The role of a true conservative NTer (in my opinion) was to cheer when Trump actually achieved something on his list of promises (see Smokin Joe's list above)  and to try to urge Trump to veer back in line when he strayed. The job did not include making excuses, any sort of idolatry, or making excuses when goals were missed.  We knew the enemy (RINOs and Dims) were gonna win a few battles but we wanted a smart war to at least kick towards our own field goal. Instead we got a Charlie Brown, but a Charlie without the moral compass to look beyond his own twitter account tooting his own horn. We got endless investigations into a man that hired thugs as his inner circle and those that did not thug enough were fired. We got a man that basically made everyone hate him, thus nothing got accomplished. We got wasted potential and basically what America deserved...

Character matters and America has forgone the wisdom to choose Conservative leaders that can lead effectively. The high ground is lost and all that is left is for us (speaking for myself and family) to go Galt and prepare for the worse while still holding our heads up as principled voters (that were right). We don't win, America loses and we are considered lepers to be avoided by those that cling to foolishness.
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #282 on: January 28, 2019, 06:19:42 am »
12 pages and it is amazing that some try to paint others as wanting open borders because they rightfully said they didn't buy the yarn thrown at them by an obvious Bull Shooter that promised them the moon (while having a history of being a proud NY liberal).

Reality: As far as I can tell, there wasn't a NTer that wasn't sincere in wanting a dang wall. So sincere, they saw through the obvious BS being thrown at them from a con artist flippant populist that wanted power and title more than he cared to actually achieve anything..

The role of a true conservative NTer (in my opinion) was to cheer when Trump actually achieved something on his list of promises (see Smokin Joe's list above)  and to try to urge Trump to veer back in line when he strayed. The job did not include making excuses, any sort of idolatry, or making excuses when goals were missed.  We knew the enemy (RINOs and Dims) were gonna win a few battles but we wanted a smart war to at least kick towards our own field goal. Instead we got a Charlie Brown, but a Charlie without the moral compass to look beyond his own twitter account tooting his own horn. We got endless investigations into a man that hired thugs as his inner circle and those that did not thug enough were fired. We got a man that basically made everyone hate him, thus nothing got accomplished. We got wasted potential and basically what America deserved...

Character matters and America has forgone the wisdom to choose Conservative leaders that can lead effectively. The high ground is lost and all that is left is for us (speaking for myself and family) to go Galt and prepare for the worse while still holding our heads up as principled voters (that were right). We don't win, America loses and we are considered lepers to be avoided by those that cling to foolishness.

Character Is Destiny. Something understood a very long time ago.

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #283 on: January 28, 2019, 11:21:29 am »

All correct and people won't research. They prefer to let LEFT, LYING MEDIA  tell them what to believe. Then post from that crap.

And the funny part – odd in a sick way – is that they know the media is spinning tales of woe about Trump, and that they’re being played by phony media lies every time the media and democrats make up a new controversy about Trump to set your hair on fire.

Yet, they don’t really care – they hate Trump just as much as Soros, the media and democrats do.

And that’s the truth.

Hey TBR, how does it feel to be rooting for the same outcome as Soros – Trump’s defeat?

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #284 on: January 28, 2019, 11:51:07 am »
Reality: As far as I can tell, there wasn't a NTer that wasn't sincere in wanting a dang wall. So sincere, they saw through the obvious BS being thrown at them from a con artist flippant populist that wanted power and title more than he cared to actually achieve anything..


Worse, it's attention and self-aggrandizement he wants more than anything. Just take a look at his latest 'see how great I am' tweet.

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After all that I have done for the Military, our great Veterans, Judges (99), Justices (2), Tax & Regulation Cuts, the Economy, Energy, Trade & MUCH MORE, does anybody really think I won’t build the WALL? Done more in first two years than any President! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

7:09 PM · Jan 27, 2019 · Twitter for iPhone

I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #285 on: January 28, 2019, 11:55:26 am »
Hey TBR, how does it feel to be rooting for the same outcome as Soros – Trump’s defeat?


How does it feel to have invested so much in a snake oil selling, three card monte dealing con artist?
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #286 on: January 28, 2019, 01:42:07 pm »
And the funny part – odd in a sick way – is that they know the media is spinning tales of woe about Trump, and that they’re being played by phony media lies every time the media and democrats make up a new controversy about Trump to set your hair on fire.

Yet, they don’t really care – they hate Trump just as much as Soros, the media and democrats do.

And that’s the truth.

Hey TBR, how does it feel to be rooting for the same outcome as Soros – Trump’s defeat?

And yet here we are with no new wall in sight, which just about all of us are rooting for.

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #287 on: January 28, 2019, 01:42:31 pm »

How does it feel to have invested so much in a snake oil selling, three card monte dealing con artist?

I know the feeling. I was a staunch supporter of Dubya until he fired Rummy the day after the 2006 midterms. He personified a "lame duck" his last two years in office, shrugging his shoulders and letting the Democrats in Congress have their way.

I said to myself, "Nie Wieder", I just won't vote for anyone unless I'm nearly in total agreement with their words, and more importantly their actions.

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #288 on: January 28, 2019, 01:47:00 pm »
And yet here we are with no new wall in sight, which just about all of us are rooting for.

Here you go .... four videos showing progress on replacing existing and failed fences with a wall and new border walls going up can be found here:  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #289 on: January 28, 2019, 02:04:32 pm »
Here you go .... four videos showing progress on replacing existing and failed fences with a wall and new border walls going up can be found here:  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html

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So, Trump shut down Fed Gov for 21 days for no reason?

Here's a real question, what percentage of total wall needed does the repair and new sections cover?

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #290 on: January 28, 2019, 02:06:35 pm »
Here you go .... four videos showing progress on replacing existing and failed fences with a wall and new border walls going up can be found here:  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html

@RoosGirl
Isn't the $1.6 billion already earmarked for border barriers when Trump was elected paying for that?
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #291 on: January 28, 2019, 02:08:58 pm »

So, Trump shut down Fed Gov for 21 days for no reason?

Here's a real question, what percentage of total wall needed does the repair and new sections cover?

Expect a deluge of this...


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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #292 on: January 28, 2019, 02:14:19 pm »

So, Trump shut down Fed Gov for 21 days for no reason?

Here's a real question, what percentage of total wall needed does the repair and new sections cover?

Absolutely not @RoosGirl   The successes you didn't watch in the videos I posted were funded with the $1.6 billion from the CR in March.

We now need more money to continue building the wall.  The President's sense of urgency may come from the 10,000 new "migrants" marching toward the U.S.

To answer your last question about percentages, you'll need to watch the videos some of your questions are answered there.  If not, try Google.

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #293 on: January 28, 2019, 02:15:25 pm »
Here you go .... four videos showing progress on replacing existing and failed fences with a wall and new border walls going up can be found here:  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html

@RoosGirl


Over the weekend, you said you were weary of repeatedly posting this. No wonder you adore Trump. Neither of you can follow through.
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #294 on: January 28, 2019, 02:15:42 pm »
Expect a deluge of this...



I really would like to know what the number is.  If you go by the last number I saw that Republicans had in a bill it was $25 billion.  So this $1.6 billion being spent covers some new wall and also some repair.  The rough math is that this covers about 6% of what is needed.

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #295 on: January 28, 2019, 02:20:03 pm »

Over the weekend, you said you were weary of repeatedly posting this. No wonder you adore Trump. Neither of you can follow through.

"Following through" is hard work, compared to tweeting, launching personal attacks on those not on the Trump Train, and shouting "MAGA!" to adoring crowds.
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #296 on: January 28, 2019, 02:23:18 pm »
Absolutely not @RoosGirl   The successes you didn't watch in the videos I posted were funded with the $1.6 billion from the CR in March.

We now need more money to continue building the wall.  The President's sense of urgency may come from the 10,000 new "migrants" marching toward the U.S.

To answer your last question about percentages, you'll need to watch the videos some of your questions are answered there.  If not, try Google.

Those videos are some hick driving in his truck along some unspecified length and location of fence.  I'm not watching 15 minutes of that bullshit.  If you don't know the answer to a question just say "I don't know."

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #297 on: January 28, 2019, 02:57:44 pm »
Those videos are some hick driving in his truck along some unspecified length and location of fence.  I'm not watching 15 minutes of that bullshit.  If you don't know the answer to a question just say "I don't know."
Without knowing the speed of the truck, you don't know how far he went, anyway.
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #298 on: January 28, 2019, 03:04:20 pm »
Without knowing the speed of the truck, you don't know how far he went, anyway.

Exactly.  And is it areas of fence repair or new fence?

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #299 on: January 28, 2019, 03:08:34 pm »
Those videos are some hick driving in his truck along some unspecified length and location of fence.  I'm not watching 15 minutes of that bullshit.  If you don't know the answer to a question just say "I don't know."

Well I do know the answer to that question, but I don't feel like telling you.