Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’

[XenaLee]

That's odd...we must have read different posts.  I found that one enlightening, and was indeed the result of some painstaking research.  Do you have a rebuttal?

This.... was her rebuttal (courtesy of Lando Lincoln, thanks Lando)....

[edpc]

That's odd...we must have read different posts.  I found that one enlightening, and was indeed the result of some painstaking research.  Do you have a rebuttal?

Actually, I didn’t take very long at all. Most of it has transpired over the past couple days.   

[edpc]

Enjoy your Saturday evening ..... hopefully with good food and even better friends.   

I will, with man’s best friend, my retriever/spaniel mix. In your honor, we’ll have chicken and waffles.

[libertybele]

I will, with man’s best friend, my retriever/spaniel mix. In your honor, we’ll have chicken and waffles.

Chicken and waffles??  I've never had the combo.  Do you fix with some type of gravy?  Just curious.

[libertybele]

I can honestly state that I'm rooting for that too.

Yep, no one wanted him to fail, especially on this issue. Unfortunately I think the time for declaring a national emergency has come and gone. I think hat shipped sailed when he called in the media circus in the beginning and Nancy stated he wasn't going to win. 

[edpc]

Chicken and waffles??  I've never had the combo.  Do you fix with some type of gravy?  Just curious.

Comfort soul food. There are variations of it. Some use a breaded, fried chicken breast and make a sandwich. Locally, I get mine at Slim Chickens in KC.


https://slimchickens.com/introducing-new-chicken-waffles-now-available-slim-chickens/

[RoosGirl]

I will, with man’s best friend, my retriever/spaniel mix. In your honor, we’ll have chicken and waffles.

LOL

[Bigun]

Finally.  That is the point that I have been trying to make for weeks.

People need to understand HOW legislation gets to the floor for full vote, in both chambers.

On this issue (and more than a few others), there is no functional difference between Ryan and Pelosi.

Being friendly with the Freedom Caucus, nor any other group within the House with no real power, has zero impact on House leadership.

@EdJames

Perhaps you can get that through the thick skulls here.   I've totally failed in my efforts to do it!

[Smokin Joe]

@EdJames

Perhaps you can get that through the thick skulls here.   I've totally failed in my efforts to do it!

No cloture, no bill, no bill, nothing happens. Gotta have the votes. Unfortunately, Democrats tend to vote en bloc, Republicans have their standard defectors.

[Bigun]

No cloture, no bill, no bill, nothing happens. Gotta have the votes. Unfortunately, Democrats tend to vote en bloc, Republicans have their standard defectors.

That, and the fact that the same K Street  bastards own all of them.

[Smokin Joe]

That, and the fact that the same K Street  bastards own all of them.

My guess is that those who aren't owned outright are compromised some other way. With maybe a few exceptions, but not enough to do us any good.

[Bigun]

My guess is that those who aren't owned outright are compromised some other way. With maybe a few exceptions, but not enough to do us any good.

Agreed.  Which leads us to the need to be rid of the owners and compromisers. But it's too damned late now.

[bigheadfred]

My guess is that those who aren't owned outright are compromised some other way. With maybe a few exceptions, but not enough to do us any good.

The yes men.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

So what? Reagan started this mess 30 years ago and it will continue as it has previously.

You look cool bad mouthing Reagan to uplift Trump.  Awesome.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

180 degree chess moves here. He is thinking way ahead of everyone else. You must move forward, not backward, downward, not upward, and always twirling, twirling towards your goal.

Miggy Jota @MikeJungman

ACTUALLY Trump is playing 8th dimensional Jenga, which you should NEVER play against a MASTER realtor like him.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

That is a rather perfect summation of who the NT's are.

And let me say pre-emptively...its a good and wise thing to criticize ANY leader and politician. I often criticize the President on his tone, methods and even ideas...but I never forget the context within which we all exist.

When your GOP President is in the midst of an existential...and potentially literal...fight for the Republic against a rising Socialist tide...what kind of foolish Quisling stabs him in the back? Or rather, stabs all of us Republican voters in the back. There is a time to argue, fight and wage internicine warfare...and its called a primary. However, when the Mongol Horde is at the Gate calling for the blood of every conservative...that ain't the time.

Seems like common sense, but if it truly were, NT's would not exist.

  

Oh sh1t.
You're serious?

[Mesaclone]

 

Oh sh1t.
You're serious?

If you think a list of months...in which Trump and many others were continually proclaiming the border situation to be an emergency...with words that say "wall not an emergency" is of some significant meaning....you really don't understand the topic.

WW2 wasn't an emergency for YEARS after September 3, 1939...despite the sinking of US shipping...until FDR decided it was and used his emergency powers to activate our industrial base and to ship equipment to Britain and Russia (well prior to Pearl Harbor). So you could make your little list for every month prior to FDR's emergency declaration and it would mean just what your little list above means...nothing. Its an innately specious argument...so I've no idea why you're making it.

[EdJames]

@EdJames

Perhaps you can get that through the thick skulls here.   I've totally failed in my efforts to do it!

It seems that I have failed as well.  I doubt that I will keep trying in earnest.

Facing those facts and the cold realities takes away the ability to "blame Trump" and offer up all sorts of innuendo and daft theories about his motivations from 2015 forward.  But it isn't just limited to those hair on fire kooks, it is very difficult for many to come to grasp with the fact that "GOP" is meaningless as far as being a set of reliable representatives for the needs and desires of the people that vote them into office.

Heck I've been pretty much on to this game for decades now, but I still find myself feeling a bit of shock and surprise (although it is minor at this point in time) when I see/hear "GOP" elected officials failing to do/say what they are supposed to be doing/saying because they are "GOP."  Most of us had been brainwashed with these expectations since (at least) young adulthood....  hard to completely shake it off.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

so I've no idea why you're making it.

Shocking.

[musiclady]

It seems that I have failed as well.  I doubt that I will keep trying in earnest.

Facing those facts and the cold realities takes away the ability to "blame Trump" and offer up all sorts of innuendo and daft theories about his motivations from 2015 forward.  But it isn't just limited to those hair on fire kooks, it is very difficult for many to come to grasp with the fact that "GOP" is meaningless as far as being a set of reliable representatives for the needs and desires of the people that vote them into office.

Heck I've been pretty much on to this game for decades now, but I still find myself feeling a bit of shock and surprise (although it is minor at this point in time) when I see/hear "GOP" elected officials failing to do/say what they are supposed to be doing/saying because they are "GOP."  Most of us had been brainwashed with these expectations since (at least) young adulthood....  hard to completely shake it off.

You do know that it is possible to accurately assess Trump's failure and faulty personality (being nice about it), and still despise the GOP and how they have abandoned every principle, don't you?

Your hostile (and absurd) description of people who don't share your positive views of the President (again, putting it mildly) doesn't speak well for your rationality, Ed.

The truth is that the present GOP is Trump's GOP.  And Trump himself is the face of that same GOP.  That's why those of us who hated the gutlessness of the Republican party (and still do), see Trump as same old, same old.

Wishful thinking, hoping for change doesn't translate into reality.

[Right_in_Virginia]

If you think a list of months...in which Trump and many others were continually proclaiming the border situation to be an emergency...with words that say "wall not an emergency" is of some significant meaning....you really don't understand the topic.

WW2 wasn't an emergency for YEARS after September 3, 1939...despite the sinking of US shipping...until FDR decided it was and used his emergency powers to activate our industrial base and to ship equipment to Britain and Russia (well prior to Pearl Harbor). So you could make your little list for every month prior to FDR's emergency declaration and it would mean just what your little list above means...nothing. Its an innately specious argument...so I've no idea why you're making it.

 

[EdJames]

You do know that it is possible to accurately assess Trump's failure and faulty personality (being nice about it), and still despise the GOP and how they have abandoned every principle, don't you?

Your hostile (and absurd) description of people who don't share your positive views of the President (again, putting it mildly) doesn't speak well for your rationality, Ed.

The truth is that the present GOP is Trump's GOP.  And Trump himself is the face of that same GOP.  That's why those of us who hated the gutlessness of the Republican party (and still do), see Trump as same old, same old.

Wishful thinking, hoping for change doesn't translate into reality.

I must say, I haven't seen a more orthogonal post response in quite some time!

I think that these guys have a bead on your problem:

via Imgflip Meme Generator

[musiclady]

Well @EdJames  - that was a bizarre and emotionally charged response to a rational argument coming from me.

Kudos. 


Actually, the Republican Party has been pulling away from me for a number of years and I have identified less and less with it over those years.

It was just that, in May, 2016 it officially declared that it wanted no part of Conservatism.......... no vestige was left........ and that people who wanted Conservative principles were no longer welcome in the Trump GOP.  The GOP embraced him, and rejected conservatism in its entirety.

I'm glad you are so enamored with Trump, but he's just the same as the GOP has been for years. Unprincipled, liberal, globalist, and weak.

But I'm glad he makes you happy. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Well @EdJames  - that was a bizarre and emotionally charged response to a rational argument coming from me. 

Actually @EdJames your response was anything but bizarre and emotionally charged.  It was reasoned, clever and quite good.   

[DB]

Actually @EdJames your response was anything but bizarre and emotionally charged.  It was reasoned, clever and quite good.   

And false.