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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #125 on: January 26, 2019, 09:35:41 pm »
People were so full of hope.  I never believed he could do what he promised.  And now that he has I believe it has created a push for unending caravans.

So what? Reagan started this mess 30 years ago and it will continue as it has previously. You thought it was an impossible task to tackle immigration and you were proven right. Does it change anything in your daily life? I don't see how it could considering the shit going on now has been going on solid for 30 years.

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #126 on: January 26, 2019, 09:36:06 pm »
Paul Ryan is an open borders globalist. No way Ryan was going to give Trump the money to build a wall.

And who the hell pushed for Ryan to be speaker again right after he was elected - Donald F'ing Trump.

The same goes for McConnell - Donald F'ing Trump pushed for him to lead the senate.

There's pages of us complaining about Trump doing that immediately after being elected when he said he was going to drain the swamp. We said it would lead to disaster.

Yet over and over you scream it is someone else's fault. The fault is believing the conman that got elected and in particularly still believing him betrayal after betrayal.

Who said they were going to put "Hillary in jail" and the day he's elected says the Clintons are good people and have suffered enough. The FBI and DOJ remain as corrupt as they were when Trump was elected. That is failure of the highest order on Trump's part.

How about holding Trump accountable for all this crap?

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #127 on: January 26, 2019, 09:38:02 pm »

She obviously doesn't GAF....


“It’s like a manhood thing for him. As if manhood could ever be associated with him. This wall thing.”

Oh, well, maybe that's why Trump had to concede to ending the shutdown.

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #128 on: January 26, 2019, 09:40:50 pm »
People were so full of hope.  I never believed he could do what he promised.  And now that he has I believe it has created a push for unending caravans.

They wanted Hope and Change........ they hoped for Hope and Change.

And they got just what most of us expected.

Same old, same old........
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #129 on: January 26, 2019, 09:42:51 pm »

islam is a religion of peace

We could fill a book.

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #130 on: January 26, 2019, 09:44:04 pm »

From what I can tell, the only thing that's been constructed is a pretty cumbersome, yet somehow mobile, goalpost.

Well, I don't know how you define "goalpost", but these structures are 20 feet high and 30 feet deep.   :laugh:

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #131 on: January 26, 2019, 09:44:25 pm »
So what? Reagan started this mess 30 years ago and it will continue as it has previously. You thought it was an impossible task to tackle immigration and you were proven right. Does it change anything in your daily life? I don't see how it could considering the shit going on now has been going on solid for 30 years.

I peg this a lot further back than 30 years.  I'm thinking during the 60's and Ted Kennedy.
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #132 on: January 26, 2019, 09:49:00 pm »
And who the hell pushed for Ryan to be speaker again right after he was elected - Donald F'ing Trump.

The same goes for McConnell - Donald F'ing Trump pushed for him to lead the senate.

There's pages of us complaining about Trump doing that immediately after being elected when he said he was going to drain the swamp. We said it would lead to disaster.

Yet over and over you scream it is someone else's fault. The fault is believing the conman that got elected and in particularly still believing him betrayal after betrayal.

Who said they were going to put "Hillary in jail" and the day he's elected says the Clintons are good people and have suffered enough. The FBI and DOJ remain as corrupt as they were when Trump was elected. That is failure of the highest order on Trump's part.

How about holding Trump accountable for all this crap?


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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #133 on: January 26, 2019, 09:49:32 pm »
Wow.  Then... it looks like Trump shut down the government, and punished all those gov workers for nothing.   How heartless of him!    **nononono*

I don't know if this is tongue-in-cheek @XenaLee   But the President needs more money, now.  You can be sure *he* sees the 8,000 heading toward our border.

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #134 on: January 26, 2019, 09:50:54 pm »
I don't know if this is tongue-in-cheek @XenaLee   But the President needs more money, now.  You can be sure *he* sees the 8,000 heading toward our border.

Yeah... it definitely was sarcasm.  But that doesn't mean it wasn't warranted...lol.
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #135 on: January 26, 2019, 09:53:13 pm »
Yep, that's exactly why George Bush...Senior and Junior...got that wall built and fixed our immigration system....all of that "reasoning and thoughtful conversation" they used brought in enough RINO's and Dems to get it done.   Oh...wait...that's exactly the opposite of what happened...could it be that no amount of huggy-feely conversation was or would ever sway the RINO's to support a wall. Especially when they know they can take refuge in the arms of NT's who are so willing to be Quisling's and undermine the conservative cause.

Trump being an MF'r is the ONLY way we get this done...the Dems will never go along with a wall, and with you RINO/NT's undercutting the work to get it done...well...here we are.

Luckily, the President will fight on...and ultimately succeed...while all you delicate NT flowers poo-poo from the sidelines and facilitate the Left in its opposition. That's bad enough...but blaming Trump for your effective work to stop him as NT/RINO's...well that's just rich.

If we don't get a wall...and I still think we will under Trump...all of you NT/RINO's should be proud. Take your victory lap. You won. You undermined, backstabbed and/or simply did nothing when the fight for the wall was/is hot...way to go!

That deserved a big ol’ +1, good buddy.

I won’t hold my breath waiting for the flood of mea culpas when Trump succeeds in getting the wall built.


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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #136 on: January 26, 2019, 09:56:52 pm »
That deserved a big ol’ +1, good buddy.

I won’t hold my breath waiting for the flood of mea culpas when Trump succeeds in getting the wall built.

Mea culpas for what???
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #137 on: January 26, 2019, 10:00:56 pm »
That deserved a big ol’ +1, good buddy.

I won’t hold my breath waiting for the flood of mea culpas when Trump succeeds in getting the wall built.

That's good, because you will croak before you get apologies.  Some "Attaboys!" for sure, but no apologies.  Demands for apologies have gotten nowhere as far as I can tell.
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #138 on: January 26, 2019, 10:01:33 pm »
For unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death — if you’re unvaccinated — for themselves, their families, and the hospitals they’ll soon overwhelm. Sloe Joe Biteme 12/16
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #139 on: January 26, 2019, 10:05:19 pm »
That is a rather perfect summation of who the NT's are.

And let me say pre-emptively...its a good and wise thing to criticize ANY leader and politician. I often criticize the President on his tone, methods and even ideas...but I never forget the context within which we all exist.

When your GOP President is in the midst of an existential...and potentially literal...fight for the Republic against a rising Socialist tide...what kind of foolish Quisling stabs him in the back? Or rather, stabs all of us Republican voters in the back. There is a time to argue, fight and wage internicine warfare...and its called a primary. However, when the Mongol Horde is at the Gate calling for the blood of every conservative...that ain't the time.

Seems like common sense, but if it truly were, NT's would not exist.


Whoa, slow down. I can’t handle too much common sense in one post.  :beer:

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #140 on: January 26, 2019, 10:14:34 pm »
Of course, those who seem to be pointing out this so-called failure appear to be those who were staunchly against him from the get go.  This episode is not over, we will see. In the meantime, unquestionably, there is a lot to take solace over. Many good things have happened.

True words, my friend, true words. Your optimism is commendable and needed around these parts.

You hold on to that. Never allow anyone to harsh your enthusiasm. We’ll see who laughs last.

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #141 on: January 26, 2019, 10:17:42 pm »
Here's how the President has been spending the initial down payment of $1.6 billion from March 2018.  Updates are from late 2018.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html
 

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They’re not interested. The only thing that captures their imagination is the thought that Mueller might soon uncover Russian collusion and put their long terrible nightmare to an end.

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #142 on: January 26, 2019, 10:22:33 pm »
They’re not interested. The only thing that captures their imagination is the thought that Mueller might soon uncover Russian collusion and put their long terrible nightmare to an end.

More blanket condemnations and insults in your desperate attempt to do "damage control"?

Your comment is asinine, to put it mildly.

Sure, there might be a couple of members who would cheer for Mueller..... but most of us have gone ON RECORD against the Mueller witch hunt.

You sir are dishonest.
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #143 on: January 26, 2019, 10:25:23 pm »
As much as I want to give up on Trump at this point I won't. We will see in 3 weeks whats going to happen.

I think Trump will have to declare a national emergency, or use the Army Corps of Engineers to start construction without declaring an emergency. Either way lawsuits will be filed and injunctions issued. The end result nothing gets built and the problem just keeps getting worse. The alternative is another shutdown at the end of which Trump surrenders. We will see.
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #144 on: January 26, 2019, 10:25:49 pm »
So what? Reagan started this mess 30 years ago and it will continue as it has previously. You thought it was an impossible task to tackle immigration and you were proven right. Does it change anything in your daily life? I don't see how it could considering the shit going on now has been going on solid for 30 years.

Yes, it absolutely does Frank.  Some people like you are so out of touch.  It has driven wages down for a full 30 years straight in manufacturing.  10 years ago it may have been illegal immigrants were 3% of the population.  15 years 10% and a steady increase every year.  Every year there are new levies to pay for the increased population of children attending school.  Every year thousands of illegal immigrants are imprisoned in our state and federal prisons. 

Every year with the increase of illegal immigrants comes increased costs to our welfare system.  Which are passed on to you and me.  Well I remember you posting your fancy car.  Maybe that's less than a pinhead in your income but to me its a major pain in my finance.  I can't afford the increasing property tax.  Because I only make a couple dollars more than I made in 1996.  But inflation has only grown and grown.  Yes it does affect me. 

It affects you too, maybe?  There is growing push every year to reward illegal immigration.  Left and right position themselves for Hispanic support.  The more our cities fill with an uneven number of one race or another politicians are in a frenzy to make them happy just so they can have the vote.

Never mind that our entire country is corrupted by Mexican drug Cartel.  No worries that students may never graduate because they might die from gang violence in the schools.  Nancy and Chuck should know about that.  But hey their families don't sent their kids to public education!
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #145 on: January 26, 2019, 10:26:56 pm »
Please stay on topic!  Mueller is not the topic, the "end" of the "shutdown" is.

Don't make this a NT vs AT thread or I'll lock it.

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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #146 on: January 26, 2019, 10:29:26 pm »
More blanket condemnations and insults in your desperate attempt to do "damage control"?

Your comment is asinine, to put it mildly.

Sure, there might be a couple of members who would cheer for Mueller..... but most of us have gone ON RECORD against the Mueller witch hunt.

You sir are dishonest.

Nobody is cheering Mueller.  But lets be real.  It has taken more priority than securing our borders.  It has dominated the presidents time in office.  Its a waste of time and money.
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #147 on: January 26, 2019, 10:34:17 pm »

That is true, had he spent less time worrying about fake news and actaully sit down with the leaders of both houses he could have a wall.


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HorseHillary! The Dim-controlled Congress is NOT going to let him have a wall under ANY circumstances because without the fresh influx of illegal alien voters they will lose power.
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #148 on: January 26, 2019, 10:34:26 pm »
You should be steamed.  I am.  That one was right up there with "If you like your Doctor..."

I am too.
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #149 on: January 26, 2019, 10:48:26 pm »
Yes, it absolutely does Frank.  Some people like you are so out of touch.  It has driven wages down for a full 30 years straight in manufacturing.  10 years ago it may have been illegal immigrants were 3% of the population.  15 years 10% and a steady increase every year.  Every year there are new levies to pay for the increased population of children attending school.  Every year thousands of illegal immigrants are imprisoned in our state and federal prisons. 

Every year with the increase of illegal immigrants comes increased costs to our welfare system.  Which are passed on to you and me.  Well I remember you posting your fancy car.  Maybe that's less than a pinhead in your income but to me its a major pain in my finance.  I can't afford the increasing property tax.  Because I only make a couple dollars more than I made in 1996.  But inflation has only grown and grown.  Yes it does affect me. 

It affects you too, maybe?  There is growing push every year to reward illegal immigration.  Left and right position themselves for Hispanic support.  The more our cities fill with an uneven number of one race or another politicians are in a frenzy to make them happy just so they can have the vote.

Never mind that our entire country is corrupted by Mexican drug Cartel.  No worries that students may never graduate because they might die from gang violence in the schools.  Nancy and Chuck should know about that.  But hey their families don't sent their kids to public education!

The typical public school spends around $10,000 a year per student. An illegal family with three children costs the school's taxpayers $30,000 a year just for that one family. That's not counting the additional school expenses for having students who can't speak English or poor prior schooling. There are millions of them. And that's just the schools. Illegals are stealing from the communities they settle in and is a direct consequence of the employer that employs them. These employers are major thieves in their communities. They get the benefit of cheap labor and the community gets to pay the additional costs of his cheap labor. It is totally crooked. Another government encouraged moral hazard that incentivizes people to do the wrong thing at someone else's expense. It is has become big business that no one in power has the courage to actually stop short of lip service.