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If he does this right, he can block the Democrats from ever getting power again. Don't let the crisis go to waste, change the system.

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You have got to be joking. Do you really believe that?

If you are going to declare a national emergency, don't half-ass it. If you aren't serious enough to make real change, then it really isn't an emergency.

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This is an incredibly bad idea....So what's to keep the next Dim president from calling an national emergency after a mass shooting and going after our guns... :shrug:As usual talk but no thought...
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A national emergency gives Trump the power of a dictator, just what he wants.  He can cut off TVs and only put on there what he wants you to see.  He will have that power and he should not have it.  He can shut off transportation, such as transportation of food.  He is not normal and should not have this power.
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@montanajoe

A national emergency gives Trump the power of a dictator, just what he wants.  He can cut off TVs and only put on there what he wants you to see.  He will have that power and he should not have it.  He can shut off transportation, such as transportation of food.  He is not normal and should not have this power.

Do what you need to do to fix the problem. A whole lot can be done if not restrained by the Constitution or Congress.

Do you want to fix the problem or not?

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Do what you need to do to fix the problem. A whole lot can be done if not restrained by the Constitution or Congress.  Do you want to fix the problem or not?
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I don't want any president going around/dumping our constitution.  Perhaps you were not born in Berlin during the time a dictator ruled Germany.  That one didn't work well for him to "fix the problem" of people he did not want living there.  And, if you questioned what was happening there, you were put in a train to nowhere as you would not be heard of again.
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Way different scenarios. We're talking about condemning a litttle strip of land on one problematic part of our border and building a structure, not national confiscation or martial law.

We're also talking about what the Radical Left would do with the same power.

Ergo, dismissing that prospect equates to not thinking beyond 30 minutes........
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Some other measures, by other DICTATOR US Presidents Hoover, Truman and Eisenhower.

Has nothing to do with Berlin, which is yet another asinine shot at calling President, a Nazi or Hitler.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Dwight_Eisenhower_Immigration.htm


"OpEd: Treated Mexican border crossings as act of war
In 1954, when Eisenhower discovered a million Mexicans here who did not belong, without apology he ordered them sent home in "Operation Wetback." They went. Had Vicente Fox's regime colluded in an invasion of the US, as it has for the last 6 years, those presidents would have regarded and treated it as an act of war."

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I have to wonder what the democrats would do if ISIS was gathering at our border? Of course, some have come in the OTM crowd which is never defined or enumerated.
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We're also talking about what the Radical Left would do with the same power.

Ergo, dismissing that prospect equates to not thinking beyond 30 minutes........

I think that's grandstanding hyperbole.
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Has nothing to do with Berlin, which is yet another asinine shot at calling President, a Nazi or Hitler.

Example of "Dictator".  A "Dictator" does what he wants regardless how it hurts the citizens of country.  Now, 800,000 citizens about to lose their employment checks this month.
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@ABX

I don't want any president going around/dumping our constitution.  Perhaps you were not born in Berlin during the time a dictator ruled Germany.  That one didn't work well for him to "fix the problem" of people he did not want living there.  And, if you questioned what was happening there, you were put in a train to nowhere as you would not be heard of again.

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Example of "Dictator".  A "Dictator" does what he wants regardless how it hurts the citizens of country.  Now, 800,000 citizens about to lose their employment checks this month.

No .. a dictator is unrestrained by law.

Read this article by Jonathan Turley … you'll find it illuminating. "Yes, Trump has the authority to declare national emergency for border wall"

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,346896.0.html
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Trust Trump, Trust the Plan.

Yep he no doubt has a final solution.... :silly:

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Example of "Dictator".  A "Dictator" does what he wants regardless how it hurts the citizens of country.  Now, 800,000 citizens about to lose their employment checks this month.

Eh... they're not losing their paychecks.  Their paychecks will merely be temporarily postponed.  They will get paid.

That said... I wonder how many of those 800,000 (or more) government employees are working in jobs that are totally unnecessary.  The silver lining might be... half of them quit the government and get a job in the private sector.  (dreamin...)

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Eh... they're not losing their paychecks.  Their paychecks will merely be temporarily postponed.  They will get paid.
That said... I wonder how many of those 800,000 (or more) government employees are working in jobs that are totally unnecessary.  The silver lining might be... half of them quit the government and get a job in the private sector.  (dreamin...)
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"hey're not losing their paychecks".

Tell that to families who get no money this month.  The check has been hijacked by Donald Trump.  He has their money and will not give it to them.

"employees are working in jobs that are totally unnecessary."
That sentence does not belong in this situation.  It is dumping on employees of the federal government who took a job to get paid to support their family. 
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Example of "Dictator".  A "Dictator" does what he wants regardless how it hurts the citizens of country.  Now, 800,000 citizens about to lose their employment checks this month.

So do you side with Pelosi and Schumer, this time?


Do you support better border security?

I would be very very pleased with ANY Republicaan President or official hat supported betterbordersecurity.

That would be the position of any truly conservative citizen.


Oh and I do not suffer from Trump  Derangement Syndrome, which is consedered a mental condition.

A person like me, would hae the balance, know the history of the MANY previous shutdowns

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_shutdowns_in_the_United_States#List_of_federal_shutdowns
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"hey're not losing their paychecks".

Tell that to families who get no money this month.  The check has been hijacked by Donald Trump.  He has their money and will not give it to them.

"employees are working in jobs that are totally unnecessary."
That sentence does not belong in this situation.  It is dumping on employees of the federal government who took a job to get paid to support their family.

Well... firstly....knowing full well what I know about how many (if not most) government jobs go.... most of them are probably getting paid WAAAY more than they're worth and/or more than they could ever get in the private sector.

Secondly.....if they have not saved in anticipation of a possible future shutdown, that's on them.  Not on Trump.

Thirdly.... the shutdown blame can be placed on the damned Democrats.... not on Trump.

You're welcome.

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Well... firstly....knowing full well what I know about how many (if not most) government jobs go.... most of them are probably getting paid WAAAY more than they're worth and/or more than they could ever get in the private sector.

Secondly.....if they have not saved in anticipation of a possible future shutdown, that's on them.  Not on Trump.

Thirdly.... the shutdown blame can be placed on the damned Democrats.... not on Trump.

You're welcome.




   Your first two points are good @XenaLee but the third (which I strikedout), I'm not so sure about.  He had two years to convince the GOP/Ryan/McConnell that 'The Wall' was important to the American people AND himself, as far as I'm concerned they all just pizzed that opportunity away including their last minute theatrics which were bound to fail.   
   I'm as compassionate as most here, been without a paycheck for months at a time in my life, but to work for the GOV in a non-essential job and not plan for this, is just ludicrous.
No government in the 6,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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   Your first two points are good @XenaLee but the third (which I strikedout), I'm not so sure about.  He had two years to convince the GOP/Ryan/McConnell that 'The Wall' was important to the American people AND himself, as far as I'm concerned they all just pizzed that opportunity away including their last minute theatrics which were bound to fail.   
   I'm as compassionate as most here, been without a paycheck for months at a time in my life, but to work for the GOV in a non-essential job and not plan for this, is just ludicrous.

Yes, they had two years .... but they didn't have majority control of the Senate, as you well know.  Trump has been ham-strung by that fact, I'm sure would have to agree.

I have been very vocal in blaming Trump for stuff he could control (his mouth, his tweets, etc.)... but this shutdown is not one of them.  He wants the wall for national security and so do I.  So screw the damned Democrats and anyone 'else' that supports them by blaming Trump for this.
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   Granted, @XenaLee Trump didn't clarify his Campaign Slogans *with demonrats help.  I just assumed that the best dam dealmaker since Lee Iacocca could have accomplished it, especially since his party controlled both Houses of Congress.  Neither Ryan or McConnell wanted to stick their neck out for Trump, especially after the obummercare repeal disaster, which consumed a lot of time, resulting in nothing other than EO's. 
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   Granted, @XenaLee Trump didn't clarify his Campaign Slogans *with demonrats help.  I just assumed that the best dam dealmaker since Lee Iacocca could have accomplished it, especially since his party controlled both Houses of Congress.  Neither Ryan or McConnell wanted to stick their neck out for Trump, especially after the obummercare repeal disaster, which consumed a lot of time, resulting in nothing other than EO's.

I hear ya.  And I have ranted, as well, about those very same things.  But this shutdown, right here right now, is on the Democrats (America's new enemy within).  That's all I'm sayin.

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Yes, they had two years .... but they didn't have majority control of the Senate, as you well know.  Trump has been ham-strung by that fact, I'm sure would have to agree.

I have been very vocal in blaming Trump for stuff he could control (his mouth, his tweets, etc.)... but this shutdown is not one of them.  He wants the wall for national security and so do I.  So screw the damned Democrats and anyone 'else' that supports them by blaming Trump for this.

??? The GOP has held the majority in BOTH Houses for the past 4 years!  While I support what Trump is doing I question why he's waited so dang long to now do something. 
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??? The GOP has held the majority in BOTH Houses for the past 4 years!  While I support what Trump is doing I question why he's waited so dang long to now do something.

Well, when you count the RINOs working against him (like McCain & Co).....

and don't get me started on the RINO-led Congress.

I'm just saying that Trump has been ham-strung for the past two years ... by those in the GOP that apparently side with the Democrats. 

This shutdown situation right here, right now, present day.... is being caused by the "resist we must/obstructionist" Democratic Party.  Do you disagree?


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??? The GOP has held the majority in BOTH Houses for the past 4 years!  While I support what Trump is doing I question why he's waited so dang long to now do something.

I wish he had brought this to a head a long time ago, but the confrontation is happening now. We can't change the past, but we have to win now!

It's surprising to me how many posters really don't understand the National Emergencies Act, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Emergencies_Act . Trump is well within the scope of the law if he declares an emergency at the border and if he does this he may be able to get the entire wall built.

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Well, when you count the RINOs working against him (like McCain & Co).....

and don't get me started on the RINO-led Congress.

I'm just saying that Trump has been ham-strung for the past two years ... by those in the GOP that apparently side with the Democrats. 

This shutdown situation right here, right now, present day.... is being caused by the "resist we must/obstructionist" Democratic Party.  Do you disagree?

Except any way you cut it, the House majority was much larger and Lyin' Ryan didn't do him any favors.  However, Trump bucked the Freedom Caucus in the beginning which was a huge mistake.  Yes right now, he's in a pickle because now he's lost the House majority because HE waited!  He could have very easily, shut down the gov't long ago and declared a National Emergency.  Certainly Nancy wouldn't have been asking for equal time.

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