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edpc · « **Reply #75 on:** December 11, 2018, 04:32:14 am »

The Edwards acquittal is easy to explain - idiot jury and no desire for retrial on the other 5 counts.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/john-edwards-acquitted-1-6-counts-campaign-finance-060024649.html

Oceander · « **Reply #76 on:** December 11, 2018, 04:49:41 am »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on December 11, 2018, 04:28:14 am

Explain John Edwards' acquittal, counselor.

The jury.

Oceander · « **Reply #77 on:** December 11, 2018, 04:50:21 am »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on December 11, 2018, 04:27:22 am

Utter media crapola ...

Nope. Federal election law.

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #78 on:** December 11, 2018, 04:52:13 am »

Quote from: Oceander on December 11, 2018, 04:50:21 am

Nope. Federal election law.

It's not. And you can repeat this another 1,000 times and it still will not be true.

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #79 on:** December 11, 2018, 04:52:45 am »

Quote from: Oceander on December 11, 2018, 04:49:41 am

The jury.

Not even close.

Oceander · « **Reply #80 on:** December 11, 2018, 04:54:30 am »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on December 11, 2018, 04:52:13 am

It's not. And you can repeat this another 1,000 times and it still will not be true.

Yes, it is. A jury may not find the necessary state of mind - a not unlikely scenario, given how f**king stupid Trump is - but if they do, then itâ€™s a crime.

Oceander · « **Reply #81 on:** December 11, 2018, 04:54:58 am »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on December 11, 2018, 04:52:45 am

Not even close.

Sorry, but that is the reason.

corbe · « **Reply #82 on:** December 11, 2018, 04:56:46 am »

Quote from: edpc on December 11, 2018, 04:14:41 am

Even if it didnâ€™t and something illegal took place, it would still be investigated. Whitewater happened before Clinton was president.

And not unlike Starr, Mueller was pretty much handed an open investigation that was entitled to go anywhere, at his discretion.
How ever did it go from an Arkansas real estate scam to blue dress stains?
Same $hit, different day.

edpc · « **Reply #83 on:** December 11, 2018, 04:59:13 am »

Quote from: Oceander on December 11, 2018, 04:54:30 am

Yes, it is. A jury may not find the necessary state of mind - a not unlikely scenario, given how f**king stupid Trump is - but if they do, then itâ€™s a crime.

How dare you. Heâ€™s been consistent and clear about this. Well...maybe not.

A Short History of President Trump's Changing Story on the Stormy Daniels Payoff

http://time.com/5264555/donald-trump-statements-stormy-daniels-payoff/

TomSea · « **Reply #84 on:** December 11, 2018, 05:00:52 am »

Notice how this came out over the weekend with little chance to address it? That's timing, like a Friday afternoon news dump. Now, we see it's another case of much ado over nothing.

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #85 on:** December 11, 2018, 05:04:05 am »

Quote from: Oceander on December 11, 2018, 04:54:58 am

Sorry, but that is the reason.

This, too, is something you can repeat 1,000 times and it still won't make it true.

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #86 on:** December 11, 2018, 05:05:17 am »

Quote from: Oceander on December 11, 2018, 04:54:30 am

Yes, it is. A jury may not find the necessary state of mind - a not unlikely scenario, given how f**king stupid Trump is - but if they do, then itâ€™s a crime.

Pull up, O, pull up.

edpc · « **Reply #87 on:** December 11, 2018, 05:11:19 am »

Quote from: TomSea on December 11, 2018, 05:00:52 am

Notice how this came out over the weekend with little chance to address it? That's timing, like a Friday afternoon news dump. Now, we see it's another case of much ado over nothing.

This wasnâ€™t a surprise. We knew months ago Cohen claimed he made the payments â€˜at the direction of a candidate for federal office' (Trump). We also knew Weisselberg was questioned by SDNY. He and Trump are the executives.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/michael-cohen-pleads-guilty-to-8-counts-including-excessive-campaign-contribution

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #88 on:** December 11, 2018, 05:14:39 am »

Quote from: edpc on December 11, 2018, 05:11:19 am

This wasnâ€™t a surprise. We knew months ago Cohen claimed he made the payments â€˜at the direction of a candidate for federal office' (Trump). We also knew Weisselberg was questioned by SDNY. He and Trump are the executives.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/michael-cohen-pleads-guilty-to-8-counts-including-excessive-campaign-contribution

It didn't mean anything then and it still doesn't mean anything unless you are a rabid anti-American Rat.

edpc · « **Reply #89 on:** December 11, 2018, 05:20:27 am »

Quote from: Frank Cannon on December 11, 2018, 05:14:39 am

It didn't mean anything then and it still doesn't mean anything unless you are a rabid anti-American Rat.

It must mean something, because Cohenâ€™s lawyer used to be chief of criminal at SDNY and he worked a plea deal, instead of fighting the charge.

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #90 on:** December 11, 2018, 05:28:22 am »

Quote from: edpc on December 11, 2018, 05:20:27 am

It must mean something, because Cohenâ€™s lawyer used to be chief of criminal at SDNY and he worked a plea deal, instead of fighting the charge.

Do you know how effed Cohen was on this Taxi Medallion scam? He was going to be gone for at least a decade. Of course he threw shit around to bail himself out.

We were sold your line of MSM bullshit at least 6 times in the last 2 years that Trump was finished because this jackass or the other flipped. Never ever ever pans out. You guys soiled your pants over Manafart taking a deal. Only thing that has happened since then is that Donny is even less involved than we were told then.

DB · « **Reply #91 on:** December 11, 2018, 05:42:11 am »

Quote from: Frank Cannon on December 11, 2018, 05:28:22 am

Do you know how effed Cohen was on this Taxi Medallion scam? He was going to be gone for at least a decade. Of course he threw shit around to bail himself out.

We were sold your line of MSM bullshit at least 6 times in the last 2 years that Trump was finished because this jackass or the other flipped. Never ever ever pans out. You guys soiled your pants over Manafart taking a deal. Only thing that has happened since then is that Donny is even less involved than we were told then.

Poor Trump. He was bamboozled by a crooked fixer lawyer over a period of 12 years... He never noticed or valued that sleaze that oozed out of him when it was working towards Trump's ends...

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #92 on:** December 11, 2018, 05:53:02 am »

Quote from: DB on December 11, 2018, 05:42:11 am

Poor Trump. He was bamboozled by a crooked fixer lawyer over a period of 12 years... He never noticed or valued that sleaze that oozed out of him when it was working towards Trump's ends...

LOL. Yeah, not like those upstanding statesmen like Clinton, Obama and the 2 Bush's. Were you alive when Papa Bush pardoned Caspar Weinberger the day before his trial where he was going to spill how GHWB was up to his eyeballs in Iran Contra and it was all in a diary the dumb eff had?

DB · « **Reply #93 on:** December 11, 2018, 06:01:56 am »

Quote from: Frank Cannon on December 11, 2018, 05:53:02 am

LOL. Yeah, not like those upstanding statesmen like Clinton, Obama and the 2 Bush's. Were you alive when Papa Bush pardoned Caspar Weinberger the day before his trial where he was going to spill how GHWB was up to his eyeballs in Iran Contra and it was all in a diary the dumb eff had?

The swamp is deep and wide. There are many players. Doesn't excuse the latest players.

edpc · « **Reply #94 on:** December 11, 2018, 11:57:16 am »

Quote from: Frank Cannon on December 11, 2018, 05:28:22 am

Do you know how effed Cohen was on this Taxi Medallion scam? He was going to be gone for at least a decade. Of course he threw shit around to bail himself out.

We were sold your line of MSM bullshit at least 6 times in the last 2 years that Trump was finished because this jackass or the other flipped. Never ever ever pans out. You guys soiled your pants over Manafart taking a deal. Only thing that has happened since then is that Donny is even less involved than we were told then.

We have no idea if Trump is less involved, because much of the filing was redacted and the investigation has not concluded. What we do know is Cohen provided â€œuseful information concerning certain discrete Russia-related matters core to its investigation that he obtained by virtue of his regular contact with Company executives during the campaign.â€

edpc · « **Reply #95 on:** December 11, 2018, 11:59:57 am »

Quote from: DB on December 11, 2018, 05:42:11 am

Poor Trump. He was bamboozled by a crooked fixer lawyer over a period of 12 years... He never noticed or valued that sleaze that oozed out of him when it was working towards Trump's ends...

He, in fact, looks for those qualities. Roy Cohn was exponentially more of a sleaze and crook than Cohen ever aspired to be.

Oceander · « **Reply #96 on:** December 11, 2018, 12:36:40 pm »

The Orange Koolaid runs strong and deep on this thread.

To-Whose-Benefit? · « **Reply #97 on:** December 11, 2018, 12:47:15 pm »

Quote from: The Ghost on December 10, 2018, 03:22:18 am

What is a "trumpaloo"

It's regional mutation of a Trumsplican.

To-Whose-Benefit? · « **Reply #98 on:** December 11, 2018, 12:53:44 pm »

Quote from: Frank Cannon on December 11, 2018, 05:28:22 am

Do you know how effed Cohen was on this Taxi Medallion scam? He was going to be gone for at least a decade. Of course he threw shit around to bail himself out.

We were sold your line of MSM bullshit at least 6 times in the last 2 years that Trump was finished because this jackass or the other flipped. Never ever ever pans out. You guys soiled your pants over Manafart taking a deal. Only thing that has happened since then is that Donny is even less involved than we were told then.

Yup.

If these 'True Believers' that someone will get DJT yet were in charge of D-Day, they'd have issued orders that no Germans in those machine gun and 88MM concrete bunkers were to be hurt or get roughed up.

ConstitutionRose · « **Reply #99 on:** December 11, 2018, 02:07:37 pm »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on December 11, 2018, 04:28:14 am

Explain John Edwards' acquittal, counselor.

I step into this thread with trepidation. The Edwards trial took place here. A client was on the jury. Afterwards, she told me that had Edwards paid out of funds DONATED TO HIS CAMPAIGN, he would have been convicted. Apparently, the judge's instructions on the law were enough to get Edwards off.

My thought is that as long as no money donated to the campaign was used, Trump is within the law. Especially since Trump has done this in the past.

I am very cynical about these things now. The press blows up on something that will "finish" Trump every few days. I did not vote for Trump (because I do not believe he has the character I want in a President), but I am sooooo weary of this crap from the press. Combine that with the double standard you see in everything (if a Dem does it, it's a nothing burger, if a Republican does it, it's jail), I don't know what it would take to convince me Trump had done something truly treasonable or criminal. Shady, yes. I believe the man is shady, but I also think he is a piker in that category alongside most politicians. As I said, I have become very cynical.