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Re: Fifth Coldest October/November On Record In The US
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2018, 10:51:15 pm »
So now the data has to be 'interpreted' in order to actually be acceptable data, and can only be understood through some scientific oracle?

You're starting to sound like the medieval Catholic church.

Answer your own question. Are Rutgers and NOAA qualified sources or not?
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Re: Fifth Coldest October/November On Record In The US
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2018, 10:55:38 pm »
Answer your own question. Are Rutgers and NOAA qualified sources or not?

By standard definition, Rutgers and the NOAA are university and govt sources, and therefore valid according to your definition.

Or do you think they are not?
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« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2018, 10:58:36 pm »
By standard definition, Rutgers and the NOAA are university and govt sources, and therefore valid according to your definition.

Or do you think they are not?

I think they're valid, and when they agree with what the climate scientists are saying I think that's valid too. NOAA and Rutgers are strongly in agreement with what the scientists are saying about AGW. You are being duped.
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Re: Fifth Coldest October/November On Record In The US
« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2018, 11:04:01 pm »
I don't get my news from real climate science dot com and maybe you shouldn't either. Either way it doesn't matter. My position on this matter has been made clear.

This is the classic technique of the followers of the AGW cult: rather than refute the argument, theory, data at hand, they impugn the source.

That said, climate is not the same as local weather, so drawing conclusions about climate trends from the weather this November is no more valid than skewing data to try and bolster your shake climate theory.

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Re: Fifth Coldest October/November On Record In The US
« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2018, 11:05:25 pm »
This is the classic technique of the followers of the AGW cult: rather than refute the argument, theory, data at hand, they impugn the source.

That said, climate is not the same as local weather, so drawing conclusions about climate trends from the weather this November is no more valid than skewing data to try and bolster your shake climate theory.

The data they are using comes from scientists that believe AGW is happening.  22222frying pan
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Re: Fifth Coldest October/November On Record In The US
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2018, 11:22:03 pm »
Just paid my [natural] gas bill yesterday.
Going back through my records (to 1995), it was the highest I've ever had for that billing period...

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Re: Fifth Coldest October/November On Record In The US
« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2018, 11:25:45 pm »
Do you honestly trust websites like that?

Don't listen to him, he's just mad at you for saying he was only slightly less leftist than you are.

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« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2018, 11:30:45 pm »
The data they are using comes from scientists that believe AGW is happening.  22222frying pan

Irrelevant. The fact that you don't see the logical fallacy in that statement says it all.

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Re: Fifth Coldest October/November On Record In The US
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2018, 11:33:19 pm »
The data they are using comes from scientists that believe AGW is happening.  22222frying pan

The data is the data; the "fixing" and interpretation of the data is what is in question.

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Re: Fifth Coldest October/November On Record In The US
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2018, 11:35:08 pm »
The data they are using comes from scientists that believe AGW is happening.  22222frying pan

So basically you're saying despite the data, they're going to believe in AGW anyway.
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« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2018, 11:37:06 pm »
So basically you're saying despite the data, they're going to believe in AGW anyway.

No, I'm saying unlike you and the people that write the articles on those click bait websites they actually understand how to interpret the data they collect.
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Re: Fifth Coldest October/November On Record In The US
« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2018, 11:40:19 pm »
Irrelevant.

Taking data from scientists and purporting that you can interpret it better than they can is absurd.
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« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2018, 11:46:06 pm »
No, I'm saying unlike you and the people that write the articles on those click bait websites they actually understand how to interpret the data they collect.

Why does data need 'interpreted?' It's data. It speaks for itself, or it should.

Most people call that science.
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« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2018, 11:48:53 pm »
No, I'm saying unlike you and the people that write the articles on those click bait websites they actually understand how to interpret the data they collect.

Now, you do realize that the writers on these what you call click-bait sites are also reputable scientists? 

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Re: Fifth Coldest October/November On Record In The US
« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2018, 11:50:18 pm »
Why does data need 'interpreted?' It's data. It speaks for itself, or it should.

Most people call that science.

It's fitting data into a statistical analysis, and anyone that has taken a statistics class knows that statistics can (and will) be used to support anything.

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Re: Fifth Coldest October/November On Record In The US
« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2018, 11:53:47 pm »
It's fitting data into a statistical analysis, and anyone that has taken a statistics class knows that statistics can (and will) be used to support anything.

That's why it's called manipulating the data.  :laugh:

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Re: Fifth Coldest October/November On Record In The US
« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2018, 11:54:22 pm »
Now, you do realize that the writers on these what you call click-bait sites are also reputable scientists?

About the man that wrote the "click bait" article, that doesn't understand how to science...

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Re: Fifth Coldest October/November On Record In The US
« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2018, 11:59:30 pm »
About the man that wrote the "click bait" article, that doesn't understand how to science...

Obviously an idiot. 

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Re: Fifth Coldest October/November On Record In The US
« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2018, 12:00:52 am »
Obviously an idiot.

Oh good, he can join my "take over the world" club!

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Re: Fifth Coldest October/November On Record In The US
« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2018, 12:12:00 am »
Obviously an idiot.

Obviously not an idiot, which is why he's able to fool other non-idiots such as yourself.
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Re: Fifth Coldest October/November On Record In The US
« Reply #45 on: December 10, 2018, 12:13:16 am »
Obviously not an idiot, which is why he's able to fool other non-idiots such as yourself.

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Re: Fifth Coldest October/November On Record In The US
« Reply #46 on: December 10, 2018, 12:14:25 am »
Why does data need 'interpreted?' It's data. It speaks for itself, or it should.

Most people call that science.

What you lack is context and depth of knowledge, because you're not a climate scientist.
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Re: Fifth Coldest October/November On Record In The US
« Reply #47 on: December 10, 2018, 12:23:38 am »
What you lack is context and depth of knowledge, because you're not a climate scientist.

But, there's no way you could know that since you're not a climate scientist either.

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« Reply #48 on: December 10, 2018, 12:30:28 am »
But, there's no way you could know that since you're not a climate scientist either.

I know a lot more about science than you think. That knowledge is why I take the position that I do. Believing you don't lack context and depth of knowledge compared to a climate scientist is outrageous. Do you believe the same about your physician? Hell, I don't even believe that about my mechanic, let alone scientists that are experts in fields I am not an expert in.
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Re: Fifth Coldest October/November On Record In The US
« Reply #49 on: December 10, 2018, 12:32:13 am »
I know a lot more about science than you think. That knowledge is why I take the position that I do. Believing you don't lack context and depth of knowledge compared to a climate scientist is outrageous. Do you believe the same about your physician? Hell, I don't even believe that about my mechanic, let alone scientists that are experts in fields I am not an expert in.

What field are you an expert in?