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Trump: Pardon for Paul Manafort still on the table
« on: November 28, 2018, 08:58:13 pm »
Trump: Pardon for Paul Manafort still on the table
by Melissa Quinn
 | November 28, 2018 03:36 PM



A pardon for former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort remains an option, President Trump said Wednesday, according to a report.

“It was never discussed, but I wouldn’t take it off the table,” Trump told the New York Post in an interview. “Why would I take it off the table?”

Manafort, 69, was convicted of eight counts of bank and tax fraud in federal court in Virginia this summer. His trial was the first stemming from special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

Just before a second Manafort trial in federal court in Washington, D.C., was set to begin in September, Manafort accepted a plea agreement with federal prosecutors and pleaded guilty to two federal crimes. As part of the deal, Manafort agreed to “fully, truthfully, completely, and forthrightly” answer questions of interest to the special counsel.

But in new court filings this week, Mueller’s team said Manafort breached the terms of his plea deal by lying to the FBI and special counsel’s office on “a variety of subject matters.”

The New York Times reported that Manafort’s lawyer, Kevin Downing, briefed the president’s attorneys multiple times about Manafort's conversations with investigators.

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Re: Trump: Pardon for Paul Manafort still on the table
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2018, 09:59:35 pm »
It will happen right around the same time he declassifies FISA.
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Re: Trump: Pardon for Paul Manafort still on the table
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2018, 12:47:35 am »
Seriously?  The guy was independently dirty; he earned his prison dress the old-fashioned way: he stole it. 

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Re: Trump: Pardon for Paul Manafort still on the table
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2018, 12:59:58 am »
   Aren't their NY State charges that Trump can't pardon?
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Re: Trump: Pardon for Paul Manafort still on the table
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2018, 01:03:03 am »
   Aren't their NY State charges that Trump can't pardon?

Nope.

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Re: Trump: Pardon for Paul Manafort still on the table
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2018, 01:09:42 am »
    That's good for him, then.   Personally being on the mean side of the street tonight I hope he rots in prison.
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Re: Trump: Pardon for Paul Manafort still on the table
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2018, 01:16:53 am »
   Aren't their NY State charges that Trump can't pardon?

Not yet?
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Re: Trump: Pardon for Paul Manafort still on the table
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2018, 01:17:45 am »
    That's good for him, then.   Personally being on the mean side of the street tonight I hope he rots in prison.

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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2018, 01:20:17 am »
    He would hire Ukrainians to do me instead @Frank Cannon
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Re: Trump: Pardon for Paul Manafort still on the table
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2018, 01:43:55 am »
Seriously?  The guy was independently dirty; he earned his prison dress the old-fashioned way: he stole it.

My understanding is, these were crimes he committed years before he worked for Trump.  It's also my understanding the Feds had decided years ago not to pursue the charges, but got interested again when Mueller expressed an interest in "turning" Manafort to inform on Trump's campaign.  There is a Trump connection.

If Mueller is pissed today, and filing to revoke the plea agreement, then he was probably unsuccessful in getting what he wanted out of Manafort.  It's a head on a pike to warn others.
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Re: Trump: Pardon for Paul Manafort still on the table
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2018, 01:51:15 am »
Aren't their NY State charges that Trump can't pardon?


I believe that’s Cohen.
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Re: Trump: Pardon for Paul Manafort still on the table
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2018, 01:55:16 am »

I believe that’s Cohen.

That is my understanding as well (it could be faulty).
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2018, 01:57:44 am »
My understanding is, these were crimes he committed years before he worked for Trump.  It's also my understanding the Feds had decided years ago not to pursue the charges, but got interested again when Mueller expressed an interest in "turning" Manafort to inform on Trump's campaign.  There is a Trump connection.

If Mueller is pissed today, and filing to revoke the plea agreement, then he was probably unsuccessful in getting what he wanted out of Manafort.  It's a head on a pike to warn others.

Like I said, he’s independently dirty.  Why should Manafort deserve a pardon for that?

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Re: Trump: Pardon for Paul Manafort still on the table
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2018, 02:11:52 am »
Like I said, he’s independently dirty.  Why should Manafort deserve a pardon for that?

He doesn't, but it's not going to stop people from speculating.
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Re: Trump: Pardon for Paul Manafort still on the table
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2018, 02:24:52 am »
My understanding is, these were crimes he committed years before he worked for Trump.  It's also my understanding the Feds had decided years ago not to pursue the charges, but got interested again when Mueller expressed an interest in "turning" Manafort to inform on Trump's campaign.  There is a Trump connection.


Yes and the government was going to use the charges as leverage against him for information on Yanukovych.  Weirdly, he knew he had been under investigation, but kept doing the same things after Holder decided not to go after him when the former Ukrainian president split for Russia.  It’s like he wanted to be prosecuted.
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Re: Trump: Pardon for Paul Manafort still on the table
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2018, 03:02:32 am »

Yes and the government was going to use the charges as leverage against him for information on Yanukovych.  Weirdly, he knew he had been under investigation, but kept doing the same things after Holder decided not to go after him when the former Ukrainian president split for Russia.  It’s like he wanted to be prosecuted.

Typical felonious behavior actually.  It's a blindness sociopaths have.  :shrug:
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2018, 03:06:32 am »

Yes and the government was going to use the charges as leverage against him for information on Yanukovych.  Weirdly, he knew he had been under investigation, but kept doing the same things after Holder decided not to go after him when the former Ukrainian president split for Russia.  It’s like he wanted to be prosecuted.

Maybe for some bizarre reason he figured that he had the government’s tacit blessing when nothing initially happened.

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Re: Trump: Pardon for Paul Manafort still on the table
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2018, 03:21:37 am »
Maybe for some bizarre reason he figured that he had the government’s tacit blessing when nothing initially happened.

Or, it's that sociopath thing.  When people get away with crimes, they start to thinking they will always get away with it because they've proven they are smarter than the law.  They don't appreciate the fact that the Prosecutors simply did not have enough evidence to convict.
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Re: Trump: Pardon for Paul Manafort still on the table
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2018, 03:23:50 am »
Like I said, he’s independently dirty.  Why should Manafort deserve a pardon for that?

For the same reason the Podestas are getting a walk for doing the same or worse than Manafart.

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Re: Trump: Pardon for Paul Manafort still on the table
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2018, 08:51:22 am »
For the same reason the Podestas are getting a walk for doing the same or worse than Manafart.


Like the Cohen matter, it fell outside the scope of Mueller’s purview, so he referred that to SDNY.  You may want to ask Trump hand picked US Attorney Geoffrey Berman why no charges have been filed, to date.


https://freebeacon.com/politics/mueller-refers-foreign-agent-u-s-lobbyist-cases-new-york-prosecutors/
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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2018, 11:08:17 am »
For the same reason the Podestas are getting a walk for doing the same or worse than Manafart.

Corrupt political motives?