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On ‘Medicare-for-All,’ Democrats Tread Lightly
« on: November 25, 2018, 02:43:36 pm »
On ‘Medicare-for-All,’ Democrats Tread Lightly
Roll Call, Nov 20, 2018

Progressives in the House are calling for a vote on a single-payer “Medicare-for-all” bill in the next Congress, but the expected chairmen who will set the agenda for next year say they have other health priorities.

Still, the progressives’ push could earn more attention over the next two years as Democratic candidates begin vying to take on President Donald Trump in 2020. A handful of potential presidential candidates expected to declare interest have already co-sponsored “Medicare-for-all” legislation, an issue that was also a flashpoint in Democratic primaries over the past year.

Most Democrats say the proposal, which polls show enjoys significant public support, hasn’t been fully fleshed out and isn’t ready for floor consideration. The drawbacks, like a major tax increase, the type of changes that would be needed to the Medicare program and the reality that millions of Americans would lose their current coverage plan, could become politically dangerous, they say.

Democratic Rep. Frank Pallone Jr. of New Jersey, who is set to be chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee, said last week he supports the concept, but doesn’t expect the votes to be there. Instead, Pallone said he wants to focus on shoring up the 2010 health care law and addressing prescription drug prices, including by allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.

“Our priority has to be stabilizing the Affordable Care Act, preventing the sabotage that the Trump administration has initiated,” he told reporters.


More:  https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/democrats-medicare-for-all-tread-lightly

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Re: On ‘Medicare-for-All,’ Democrats Tread Lightly
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2018, 04:01:24 pm »
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The drawbacks, like a major tax increase, the type of changes that would be needed to the Medicare program and the reality that millions of Americans would lose their current coverage plan, could become politically dangerous, they say.


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Re: On ‘Medicare-for-All,’ Democrats Tread Lightly
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2018, 04:02:53 pm »
On ‘Medicare-for-All,’ Democrats Tread Lightly
Roll Call, Nov 20, 2018

Progressives in the House are calling for a vote on a single-payer “Medicare-for-all” bill in the next Congress, but the expected chairmen who will set the agenda for next year say they have other health priorities.

Still, the progressives’ push could earn more attention over the next two years as Democratic candidates begin vying to take on President Donald Trump in 2020. A handful of potential presidential candidates expected to declare interest have already co-sponsored “Medicare-for-all” legislation, an issue that was also a flashpoint in Democratic primaries over the past year.

Most Democrats say the proposal, which polls show enjoys significant public support, hasn’t been fully fleshed out and isn’t ready for floor consideration. The drawbacks, like a major tax increase, the type of changes that would be needed to the Medicare program and the reality that millions of Americans would lose their current coverage plan, could become politically dangerous, they say.

Democratic Rep. Frank Pallone Jr. of New Jersey, who is set to be chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee, said last week he supports the concept, but doesn’t expect the votes to be there. Instead, Pallone said he wants to focus on shoring up the 2010 health care law and addressing prescription drug prices, including by allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.

“Our priority has to be stabilizing the Affordable Care Act, preventing the sabotage that the Trump administration has initiated,” he told reporters.


More:  https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/democrats-medicare-for-all-tread-lightly

In addition Corey Booker wants to hand everyone a paycheck.

This all would be yet another direct hit on our Republic and lead us to socialism.
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Re: On ‘Medicare-for-All,’ Democrats Tread Lightly
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2018, 04:39:11 pm »
I would like to think that so long as Republicans control the senate and the presidency, any Medicare for All scheme would die on the vine.  But it isn't lost on me that there are more than a few Republicans who would go along with such a scheme.  Both parties crave the power such a scheme would give them over us peasants.  Naturally, they wouldn't have to participate. 

Looks like the Dems plan to lay the groundwork for this scheme by trying to pass smaller bills rather than one big package like Obamacare.  These bills will be sold as fixes to the current lousy system, but I would hope Republicans would be wise to the Dems' intent.

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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2018, 04:44:04 pm »
Medicare for all means private insurance only for the wealthy and well connected.

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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2018, 04:47:05 pm »



 Plus the amount of debt it would tack on to an already unsustainable amount
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2018, 04:51:24 pm »
In addition Corey Booker wants to hand everyone a paycheck.

This all would be yet another direct hit on our Republic and lead us to socialism.

Plus College for All, Green New Deals,

Finland tried the Universal Basic income scheme and abandoned it before too many people got to expect it and it would get harder to abandon

In a sane world, DC would be looking at ways to reduce the debt instead of adding more to it
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2018, 07:13:04 pm »
They may "tread lightly," but they still tread.
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2018, 07:27:08 pm »
They can't make it work at the VA.

So how are they gonna make it work on a 330 Million patient model?
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2018, 12:26:45 am »
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For now.
Until they once again have control.
Then... full steam ahead !

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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2018, 12:57:37 am »
While there may be a case to be made for some manner of universal health insurance. For instance Friedrich Hayek, in the compellingly anti-socialist The Road to Serfdom wrote --

Nor is there any reason why the state should not assist individuals in providing for those common hazards of life against which, because of their uncertainty, few individuals can make adequate provision. Where, as in the case of sickness and accident, neither the desire to avoid such calamities nor the efforts to overcome their consequences are as a rule weakened by the provision of assistance, where, in short, we deal with genuinely insurable risks, the case for the state helping to organise a comprehensive system of social insurance is very strong. There are many points of detail where those wishing to preserve the competitive system and those wishing to supersede it by something different will disagree on the details of such schemes; and it is possible under the name of social insurance to introduce measures which tend to make competition more or less ineffective. But there is no incompatibility in principle between the state providing greater security in this way and the preservation of individual freedom.

-- the idea of doing it by expanding Medicare should be a non-starter even for the most dyed-in-the-wool socialist.  Medicare is a complete horror to deal with. (I write from experience as the part-time office-manager for my wife's psychology practice). And that unlike some other government run health insurance programs.  Tricare is very easy to work with, as is Oklahoma's version of Medicaid.  (Kansas managed to foul up Medicaid by putting a free-market veneer on a government health-insurance program, but even the messed-up result isn't as cumbersome to deal with as Medicare.)
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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2018, 11:08:40 am »
All democrats tread lightly in their loafers.

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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2018, 02:17:50 pm »
They just aren't using the words "Medicare-for-All", but it is what they are striving for.