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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #225 on: November 21, 2018, 02:39:14 am »
Thanks  @goodwithagun, and God bless you and your family.

Thank you. It’s a tough road to hoe, but my kids need to know how to face adversity. I’m more than willing to model it.
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« Reply #226 on: November 21, 2018, 02:44:51 am »
Listen up. I’m a 39 year old cancer patient that started her journey at 36. I have an amazing professional firefighter husband (read that as 24 hour+ shifts), and three kids 10 and under. My oldest is on the high functioning end of the spectrum with a near genius IQ and an eidetic memory. His little sisters are already testing into advanced classes in the private school we gladly pay for. My first bout at this landed us in $20K medical debt that we couldn’t write off. It ecrued over eight months, but in two calendar years. Now we start again down the same path and we’re discussing going to Harvard for my radiology diagnosis. That is where I got my previous diagnosis (AFTER 7 MONTHS) so it makes the most sense.

I’m against preexisting condition mandates and single payer. The only thing that will fix this problem is for all government entities, from the feds to the villages, to end health insurance requirements including HIPPA. That’s it. All costs will plummet making it possible for the average working American to pay OOP.

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« Reply #227 on: November 21, 2018, 02:45:12 am »
I agree.

You seemed to be promoting it - that 'if we were more like Europe I would not have had to lose everything'...

I think that is morally and statistically absurd...

Of COURSE I had to lose everything before appealing to my fellows to give me a hand up. OF COURSE relying on their charity and largess came only after expending every resource I had.

Though even that is not precisely true - I did not lose my home. And I did not lose a vehicle to get around... Even destitute in America ain't so bad... But I DID have to burn up my other properties, and all my other titled vehicles and UL listed equipment.

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« Reply #228 on: November 21, 2018, 03:18:07 am »
True, Germany started in the late 1800's, and I figure the latest in Europe has  been around since the 70's, meaning European Adults born in in the 1950's and later know no any other way.

That's right, and equally, the other way around... I think you and I are probably old enough to remember what it was like here before, as compared to now... And folks here don't know anywhere near how well they've got it, EVEN YET.

I DO know. I have never worked for anyone since my teens... Made my own way... And worked myself all the way up to upper middle class, with a business worth more than me... And I saw it all leave, to include just about all of it, so I know all about welfare and medicare/medicaid.

Now, on the way back up, I can tell folks with all honesty that the bottom of the barrel is not the hard part - it is that first rung up that is the doozie... Especially as disabled. The place there ain't enough help is right there on that first rung that will get you off the system, and back on your own two feet. The system is set up to penalize that first rung, not encourage it.

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« Reply #229 on: November 21, 2018, 03:57:21 am »
That's right, and equally, the other way around... I think you and I are probably old enough to remember what it was like here before, as compared to now... And folks here don't know anywhere near how well they've got it, EVEN YET.

I DO know. I have never worked for anyone since my teens... Made my own way... And worked myself all the way up to upper middle class, with a business worth more than me... And I saw it all leave, to include just about all of it, so I know all about welfare and medicare/medicaid.

Now, on the way back up, I can tell folks with all honesty that the bottom of the barrel is not the hard part - it is that first rung up that is the doozie... Especially as disabled. The place there ain't enough help is right there on that first rung that will get you off the system, and back on your own two feet. The system is set up to penalize that first rung, not encourage it.

I think you shouldn't have had to lose so much because you got sick.
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« Reply #230 on: November 21, 2018, 04:21:02 am »
I think you shouldn't have had to lose so much because you got sick.

I think you are wrong.
There has to be risk.
If there is no risk, there is no profit.
Somebody gets to lose. In this case, it was me.

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« Reply #231 on: November 21, 2018, 04:31:20 am »
I think you are wrong.
There has to be risk.
If there is no risk, there is no profit.
Somebody gets to lose. In this case, it was me.

Making it so people won't lose everything when they get sick is not going to stop people from seeking upward momentum.
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« Reply #232 on: November 21, 2018, 05:10:24 am »
Making it so people won't lose everything when they get sick is not going to stop people from seeking upward momentum.

Right. The taxes for a social program of that magnitude would stop people from seeking upward momentum.


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« Reply #233 on: November 21, 2018, 05:29:02 am »
It amuses the hell out of me that we cranked out ten pages over someone who is barely literate and doesn't know what the three branches of govt' are. The only reason she won this election is because NY State couldn't get their act together on a Primary election law. She is about as irrelevant to the real world as unicorns and Britney Spears.

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« Reply #234 on: November 21, 2018, 11:33:33 am »
Making it so people won't lose everything when they get sick is not going to stop people from seeking upward momentum.

Why don’t we make it so that nobody has to lose anything when anything bad happens?   Invested in a Ponzi scheme?  Oh well, the taxpayers will make it all better. 

Shit happens, and oftentimes it’s not fair. 

And as for stopping the losses:  that’s what the bankruptcy laws are for.  You don’t lose everything.

It’d be nice to see some thinking through on your part, rather than simply believing in fairies, unicorns, and infinite free cash from the taxpayers.

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« Reply #235 on: November 21, 2018, 12:32:47 pm »
Why don’t we make it so that nobody has to lose anything when anything bad happens?   Invested in a Ponzi scheme?  Oh well, the taxpayers will make it all better. 

Shit happens, and oftentimes it’s not fair. 

And as for stopping the losses:  that’s what the bankruptcy laws are for.  You don’t lose everything.

It’d be nice to see some thinking through on your part, rather than simply believing in fairies, unicorns, and infinite free cash from the taxpayers.

I think we both knows that a national healthcare system is not "fairies and unicorns."
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« Reply #236 on: November 21, 2018, 12:35:00 pm »
I think we both knows that a national healthcare system is not "fairies and unicorns."

Really?  Then why do so many of the beneficiaries of national healthcare systems come over here for care?

Socialist healthcare is great for the minor booboos; it sucks for real healthcare emergencies. 

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« Reply #237 on: November 21, 2018, 12:40:02 pm »
Really?  Then why do so many of the beneficiaries of national healthcare systems come over here for care?

Because they're rich, and healthcare here is the best in the world if you're rich. If you're not rich then you're better off in Europe.
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« Reply #238 on: November 21, 2018, 01:00:54 pm »
Because they're rich, and healthcare here is the best in the world if you're rich. If you're not rich then you're better off in Europe.

Not true at all.  My in-laws, neither of whom is rich, both received heart valve replacement surgery here that they would not have received in Europe. 

Get your facts straight, then take some Econ 101 classes, and then come discuss. 

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« Reply #239 on: November 21, 2018, 01:30:24 pm »
It amuses the hell out of me that we cranked out ten pages over someone who is barely literate and doesn't know what the three branches of govt' are. The only reason she won this election is because NY State couldn't get their act together on a Primary election law. She is about as irrelevant to the real world as unicorns and Britney Spears.

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« Reply #240 on: November 21, 2018, 02:13:49 pm »
So we can at least agree that what they have is a lot better than what we have right now?

Because care wise...it's not.  My son has been treated twice in the German healthcare system due to location of where his injury ocurred.

Their system is not better than what we have right now.
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« Reply #241 on: November 21, 2018, 02:37:03 pm »
I think we both knows that a national healthcare system is not "fairies and unicorns."

Yes, in fact, it is.

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« Reply #242 on: November 21, 2018, 02:59:58 pm »
Why does the European public disagree? Public approval of healthcare in Europe is far higher than in the states. In some places it has a 94% approval.

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Since what they have is all they know,what are they comparing it to,and why do so many Europeans come to the US and other countries for surgeries?
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« Reply #243 on: November 21, 2018, 03:01:23 pm »
Why is public approval of our healthcare system so low compared to Europe?

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Because America is full of idealistic fools like you that dream of getting something for nothing,and never once allow logic or reality to intrude on your brain farts.
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« Reply #244 on: November 21, 2018, 03:01:48 pm »
Why does the European public disagree? Public approval of healthcare in Europe is far higher than in the states. In some places it has a 94% approval.

Perhaps they simply don’t know what they’re missing. 

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« Reply #245 on: November 21, 2018, 03:03:04 pm »
They have been told by our MSM and the left wing that the only hope is Government control over the healthcare system, and those who have a low approval believe this.
It's all they've heard since Hillary tried to start Hillarycare back when she was First Lady. That was over 20 years ago.

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Truth to tell,the 'murikan publik have been told that ONLY government can solve their problems ever since King Franklin and his commie wife infested the White House.
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« Reply #246 on: November 21, 2018, 03:06:43 pm »

I’m against preexisting condition mandates and single payer. The only thing that will fix this problem is for all government entities, from the feds to the villages, to end health insurance requirements including HIPPA. That’s it. All costs will plummet making it possible for the average working American to pay OOP.

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I am in complete agreement,but it is never going to happen because there are too many beaks being dipped into that pool for the professional political class to ever allow it to be drained.

Just look at how many lawyers would be out of work,and standing on street corners with "Will Lie For Cash" signs hanging around their necks.
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« Reply #247 on: November 21, 2018, 03:07:47 pm »
So we can at least agree that what they have is a lot better than what we have right now?

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You have a toe dipped in that water,don't you?
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« Reply #248 on: November 21, 2018, 03:09:53 pm »
Perhaps they simply don’t know what they’re missing.

Most likely the case.

If you've never experienced what quality health care is like, waiting months for routine procedures that we get in days, and you didn't grow up knowing that your Doctors can treat you like an individual, and not part of a massive machine, you don't know that you're in a vastly inferior system.

But thanks to Obama, the Democrats, the Republicans and Trump, we will be losing the best health care in the world for the vastly inferior European model.
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« Reply #249 on: November 21, 2018, 03:11:14 pm »
Because they're rich, and healthcare here is the best in the world if you're rich. If you're not rich then you're better off in Europe.

That statement is 100% false.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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