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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2018, 08:05:24 PM »
Ignorant people can and often do have goodhearted intentions. Somebody does not have a bad heart and a bad soul just because in their ignorance they support bad ideas. To me that distinction is important.


Your quote.."Ignorant ideology can lead to evil".

But this most latest quote seems to go a different direction.  These people do not desire the best for their constinuency. They want to give stuff to people, funded by other people's money...that will ultimately give the givers  power. Their intentions are not pure.

Bad heart? Bad soul? Maybe not.  The desire to change this country into a hell hole (see Venezuela) for their own benefit? Most likely.

Read history, @Dexter , my friend. This isn't a new thing.

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« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2018, 08:20:28 PM »

Your quote.."Ignorant ideology can lead to evil".

But this most latest quote seems to go a different direction.  These people do not desire the best for their constinuency. They want to give stuff to people, funded by other people's money...that will ultimately give the givers  power. Their intentions are not pure.

Bad heart? Bad soul? Maybe not.  The desire to change this country into a hell hole (see Venezuela) for their own benefit? Most likely.

Read history, @Dexter , my friend. This isn't a new thing.

I think Bernie actually believes his way is best and that it will lead to good for this country. If you listen to him he is clearly genuine in his beliefs, even if those beliefs are misguided/wrong. He's not trying to turn the United States into a hell hole. It would be an unintentional consequence of his ignorance.

Just for the record I regularly give liberals a hard time for this stuff too. They think all of you here are the absolute worst kind of filth imaginable. Deplorable and morally bankrupt monsters. They're wrong too of course. You're all fine people as far as I can tell.
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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2018, 08:41:32 PM »
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib Aren’t Finished Challenging Incumbent Democrats Who Come Up Short
https://theintercept.com/2018/11/18/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-rashida-tlaib-justice-democrats/

By winning a Detroit-area seat long held by former Rep. John Conyers, Tlaib fended off a divided local political establishment. She addressed protesters on Tuesday before they marched on Pelosi’s office, where Ocasio-Cortez later met them. Ocasio-Cortez upset Rep. Joe Crowley, the boss of the political machine in Queens, New York.

The pledge from Tlaib and Ocasio-Cortez to continue to primary incumbents injects a new element of politics into intra-caucus maneuvering. The pair are rallying support for a Green New Deal and are likely to find an increasing number of converts eager to sign aboard in the next few weeks. Meanwhile, only a handful of incumbents refuse to take corporate PAC money, a number that is also likely to rise given the pressure of a potential primary.
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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2018, 08:45:55 PM »
I think Bernie actually believes his way is best and that it will lead to good for this country. If you listen to him he is clearly genuine in his beliefs, even if those beliefs are misguided/wrong. He's not trying to turn the United States into a hell hole. It would be an unintentional consequence of his ignorance.

Just for the record I regularly give liberals a hard time for this stuff too. They think all of you here are the absolute worst kind of filth imaginable. Deplorable and morally bankrupt monsters. They're wrong too of course. You're all fine people as far as I can tell.



I don't know if Bernie is genuine or not. Maybe you know him personally.  I don't believe any politician. 

I appreciate that you have even handedness with liberals and would enjoy seeing some of your arguments against them. You have some good arguments here. Personally...I couldn't care less what the liberals think of me.  I think that comes with age. wink777

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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2018, 10:35:44 PM »
I think Bernie actually believes his way is best and that it will lead to good for this country. If you listen to him he is clearly genuine in his beliefs, even if those beliefs are misguided/wrong. He's not trying to turn the United States into a hell hole. It would be an unintentional consequence of his ignorance.

Just for the record I regularly give liberals a hard time for this stuff too. They think all of you here are the absolute worst kind of filth imaginable. Deplorable and morally bankrupt monsters. They're wrong too of course. You're all fine people as far as I can tell.

Problem is Berine doesn't practice what he preaches. That makes his motives suspect.
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« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2018, 11:13:12 PM »
Socialism is for the little people, not the ruling class socialists. Just ask Bernie who might be sitting on he deck at his lake house with his corrupt wife who drove Burlington College into the ground.
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« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2018, 04:07:35 AM »
That kind of all or nothing polarized thinking is what's wrong with politics. Your opposition is not evil; they're not all completely devoid of goodness. They're just people that have vastly different opinions than you.

No it isn't. @txradioguy hit it right on the head.

They're both hardcore totalitarian zealots.

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« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2018, 08:01:51 AM »
Problem is Berine doesn't practice what he preaches. That makes his motives suspect.

I'm pretty sure Bernie was one of the poorest politicians in politics before his run for president, and after his run I'm pretty sure he is the absolute poorest politician that has had a legitimate shot at the presidency in modern times. Everybody in the country knows his name and he's only worth a handful of millions. Who else in politics can you say that about? The idea that he's a hypocrite because after almost 80 years of life, many decades as a senator AND a presidential run he is worth a few million is the height of absurdity. Also he has given a lot to charity despite being one of the poorest politicians. Bernie doesn't need to give away all of his wealth to not be a hypocrite.

No disrespect. To me it's important to be able to tell the difference between good and bad in your opponents AND in your own ranks. Good and bad isn't just separated by left and right. Hillary is a lying, conniving and murdering sociopath. There isn't a genuine bone in her body. Anybody with even a little bit of emotional perception gets the creeps from her. Bernie might be wrong about politics but he is a good man. His history and the clear genuineness when he speaks makes that obviously apparent in my opinion.
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« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2018, 08:18:53 AM »
I'm pretty sure Bernie was one of the poorest politicians in politics before his run for president, and after his run I'm pretty sure he is the absolute poorest politician that has had a legitimate shot at the presidency in modern times. Everybody in the country knows his name and he's only worth a handful of millions. Who else in politics can you say that about? The idea that he's a hypocrite because after almost 80 years of life, many decades as a senator AND a presidential run he is worth a few million is the height of absurdity. Also he has given millions to charity despite being one of the poorest politicians. Bernie doesn't need to give away all of his wealth to not be a hypocrite.

No disrespect. To me it's important to be able to tell the difference between good and bad in your opponents AND in your own ranks. Good and bad isn't just separated by left and right. Hillary is a lying, conniving and murdering sociopath. There isn't a genuine bone in her body. Anybody with even a little bit of emotional perception gets the creeps from her. Bernie might be wrong about politics but he is a good man. His history and the clear genuineness when he speaks makes that obviously apparent in my opinion.

Sorry, but Bernie isn’t a good man.  A good man doesn’t adopt political viewpoints that have consistently led to the worst politically-motivated violence the human species has ever seen.  Not after the 20th Century.  He is, at the very best, a “useful idiot”.

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« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2018, 08:27:39 AM »
He is, at the very best, a “useful idiot”.

Useful idiots aren't bad people. I think we should all take more care in who we label as good and evil.
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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2018, 09:14:34 AM »
I'm pretty sure Bernie was one of the poorest politicians in politics before his run for president, and after his run I'm pretty sure he is the absolute poorest politician that has had a legitimate shot at the presidency in modern times. Everybody in the country knows his name and he's only worth a handful of millions. Who else in politics can you say that about? The idea that he's a hypocrite because after almost 80 years of life, many decades as a senator AND a presidential run he is worth a few million is the height of absurdity. Also he has given millions to charity despite being one of the poorest politicians. Bernie doesn't need to give away all of his wealth to not be a hypocrite.

No disrespect. To me it's important to be able to tell the difference between good and bad in your opponents AND in your own ranks. Good and bad isn't just separated by left and right. Hillary is a lying, conniving and murdering sociopath. There isn't a genuine bone in her body. Anybody with even a little bit of emotional perception gets the creeps from her. Bernie might be wrong about politics but he is a good man. His history and the clear genuineness when he speaks makes that obviously apparent in my opinion.

Really good posts through this thread @Dexter  :beer:
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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2018, 09:20:58 AM »
I guess it depends on what your definition of "poor" is.

Bernie is a Mercedes Marxist with a net worth in the $2 million range.

https://www.thestreet.com/lifestyle/bernie-sanders-net-worth-14678955
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« Reply #40 on: November 19, 2018, 09:25:13 AM »
Sorry, but Bernie isn’t a good man.  A good man doesn’t adopt political viewpoints that have consistently led to the worst politically-motivated violence the human species has ever seen.  Not after the 20th Century.  He is, at the very best, a “useful idiot”.
I have a hard time telling the difference between the liberal who says the problem with socialism is it has never been tried, and the conservative who says the problem with capitalism is it has never been tried.  Any ideology taken to the extreme can be evil.  It's a matter of degrees.

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« Reply #41 on: November 19, 2018, 09:26:12 AM »
@Dexter

You know where the road of good intentions leads, right?

While I will agree that they are humans, and will not demonize them to the point of being less, which is how you would get an otherwise moral person to be willing to kill the otherwise human enemy during a war, I will say their own policies show a lack of faith in their fellow man.

They believe they (The Federal Government) is the only moral arbiter worth ascribing to, and without them, the poor would starve, the sick would be, etc....
They do not believe that we the people have enough moral fiber to solve these problem on a local level, and that we also lack the intelligence to do so, Constitution and 10th amendment be damned.

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« Reply #42 on: November 19, 2018, 09:39:07 AM »
a net worth in the $2 million range.

That's extremely poor as far as politicians go. It tells a story of a man who hasn't spent his career taking money from special interests. He's been a senator for decades, had a presidential run and wrote a book that sold a lot of copies. Is it really surprising or outrageous that he's at least that wealthy?
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« Reply #43 on: November 19, 2018, 09:44:04 AM »
While I will agree that they are humans, and will not demonize them to the point of being less, which is how you would get an otherwise moral person to be willing to kill the otherwise human enemy during a war

I don't take issue with your position. You get what I'm trying to say.
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« Reply #44 on: November 19, 2018, 09:56:35 AM »
That kind of all or nothing polarized thinking is what's wrong with politics. Your opposition is not evil; they're not all completely devoid of goodness. They're just people that have vastly different opinions than you.
Let me run three names by you and see if you want to reassess your opinion. Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, HIllary Clinton.
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« Reply #45 on: November 19, 2018, 10:17:46 AM »
Let me run three names by you and see if you want to reassess your opinion. Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, HIllary Clinton.

I already said that Hillary is a horrible person, and obviously there are others. That doesn't change the point I'm trying to make.
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Re: Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party
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Ocasio-Cortez prepares for war… on her own party

Jazz ShawPosted at 9:31 am on November 18, 2018

She hasn’t even drawn her first paycheck as a member of Congress yet and won’t be casting any votes for a couple of months, but the political media is already flitting around Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez like moths surrounding a streetlight. And she’s responding to all the attention by setting a big agenda for herself. Rather than worrying about expanding the Democratic majority in the House two years from now or taking back the Senate, however, the newly elected socialist from New York has a different target in mind. She’s heading up a new coalition aimed at removing more Democrats in the next round of primaries and replacing them with more “diverse” candidates. You won’t need three guesses to figure out what that means.



This article from Politico provides one example of the victory parade they are setting up for Ocasio-Cortez in Washington and frames her expectations of attracting more candidates like herself into the fray. She wants the new broom to sweep away the establishment Democrats and build a burgeoning force of young socialists ready to remake America.

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https://hotair.com/archives/2018/11/18/ocasio-cortez-prepares-war-party/

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« Reply #47 on: November 19, 2018, 10:47:25 AM »
I can't decide who the stupid one is in this battle.

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The correct answer to that question is ALWAYS "Maxine Waters",although she does have some stiff competition.
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« Reply #48 on: November 19, 2018, 10:49:47 AM »
That kind of all or nothing polarized thinking is what's wrong with politics. Your opposition is not evil;...


@Dexter

In this case,YES,they ARE evil. A socialist is nothing more than a Communist with training wheels.
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« Reply #49 on: November 19, 2018, 10:53:36 AM »
I think Bernie actually believes his way is best and that it will lead to good for this country. If you listen to him he is clearly genuine in his beliefs, even if those beliefs are misguided/wrong. He's not trying to turn the United States into a hell hole. It would be an unintentional consequence of his ignorance.

 

@Dexter

Tell me,how many homes does Bernie own,how many sit vacant most of the year,and how many homeless people he allows to live in them when they are vacant.

IIRC,I believe the cheapest home he owns cost right at a half-million. Surely he could have bought a mobile home on a quarter acre and given the rest of the money to feed and house de po?
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